Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Zarvan]

There is Mud test, weapon is submerged into the mud for prolong period --- 12hours or so , taken out, without cleaning fired ----
you submerge the weapon in salt water to monitor the corrosion time frame ---- and fire
there is sand test ---- there is cold water test ---- in Pistol trails, they frooze the pistols at -41c for 6 hours, removed the weapon and fired it ----- there is a drop test ----- you have dry fire test ----- in this test weapons dry fired --- means no cartridge inside the weapon ---- this measures the strength of firing pin ----- if i recall correctly, in pistol trails, they did this for like 3000 times?
There is test where charging handle is racked many many and many time --- like 4000
the list is very long ------ for reference you can look up Nato Standard firearm test -----

the above mentioned tests were conducted for Pistol trails held at Kharain in 2014 / 2015

btw my above post on you for just leg pulling ...... meant no offense

No offence taken Sir by the way How man Guns I mean How many FN SCAR and How many ARX-200 and others are in trials ?

 

[Amaa'n]

No offence taken Sir by the way How man Guns I mean How many FN SCAR and How many ARX-200 and others are in trials ?

no idea on that --- but i believe could be 5 atleast --- because one test requires for Parts interchangeability ---- we cant do that if they are just 1 or 2 rifles

 

[Arsalan]

nope


this picture is not from the trails man ---

to both of you --- at first we never received these weapons with these sights second thing to consider is the barrel length ---- again we did not receive these in this set up ----
last and the foremost important thing --- we were testing this weapon in 7.62 x 39 Calibre ----- that ammo in the box is 5.56 x 45 ---- look at the neck length of those rounds and the dia of projectile ---- definitely 556

mein tu ab darta bolta he naii hoon ka log naraz hoon gy,,
Thanks for clarifying it sir!

 

[RAMPAGE]

why didnt pakistan invite turkish mpt-76 and chinese weapons?

Of course we invited MKEK. @balixd ?

 

[Path-Finder]

I was a bit ambivalent to the BREN at first, but seeing how CZ greatly improved the design between the BREN 805 and BREN 806, I think there is a case to be made that the company (CZ) knows how to take real-world experience and then shape that into an improved product in relatively quick order.

Moreover, CZ's changes to the BREN 1 (which resulted in the BREN 2) were borne out of experience in Afghanistan; it's not often we get a tacit iteration based on real world experience so soon.

Beyond that, I was impressed by the modular chamber design of the BREN. With a few adjustments the same core rifle design can be adapted from 5.56 NATO to 7.62x39mm and even 7.62 NATO.

I know the venerable Russian designs are rock-solid, but if we want to scale a single design as widely as possible, a legitimate argument can be made towards going for a multi-chamber'able design such as the BREN or SCAR. We can invest in the one rifle, and then distribute it to practically every military service arm, law enforcement agency, and paramilitary unit in the country (over a period of several decades of course).

Between the SCAR and the BREN, the BREN is cheaper, but still very good in its own right. Moreover, we could perhaps link the BREN to a large enough purchase of Meopta sights and other optics technology, perhaps produce those under license at home as well.

MEOPTA is the reason Why I like BREN their Lens are even used in Aimpoints thats how good their glass is. Same with Beretta they own Steiner a giant in optics. a package deal like this is a winner!

 

[Zarvan]

Of course we invited MKEK. @balixd ?

No they weren't invited. 14 companies wanted to come including them but we chose only 5 to test.

 

[RAMPAGE]

No they weren't invited. 14 companies wanted to come including them but we chose only 5 to test.

Why? Who told you this?

 

[Zarvan]

Why? Who told you this?

No idea why but news is true. May be @balixd can shed some light on this

 

[Amaa'n]

Of course we invited MKEK. @balixd ?

No idea why but news is true. May be @balixd can shed some light on this

We did invite some companies but there were reservations over the endurance of these rifles hence we picked on the renowned brands......if you look at the vendor lost, each of them are a legend in there own......and as said by zarvan we wanted a long lasting weapon.......hence they were not selected.......

mein tu ab darta bolta he naii hoon ka log naraz hoon gy,,
Thanks for clarifying it sir!

No problem sir,

 

[iLION12345_1]

Any idea how long theses tests will take ? I'm tired of seeing g3s in my gaurds hands
Btw what about Mg3 are we replacing that someday and what are we planning on doing with the type 56 and 81, and lastly , I have heard many people saying that our army uses type 56 a lot , but as far as I have seen , I have only seen one type 56 held by an Pak army personnel ever , all the other guns ppl keep calling ak47s( without saying variants ) and type 56s are actually type 81s look at the slits in the barrels and the stock, they are type 81s!

 

[slayerAqib]

SCAR 17 would be my pick, its modular, adaptable, ergonomic, light weight and it comes in a lot of variants and barrel lengths, grenade launchers etc

It will be cheaper when mass produced in Pakistan. It will also satisfy most of our DMR, SBR requirements and its compact variant can replace our MP-5s.

With respect sir i think Pakistan should create their own bullbpup design which is light and compact, reliable, adaptable, short in length (increasing maneuverability), variety of barrels and barrels length and be able to accept various type of ammo like the 6.5 mm Grendel which is an excellent cartridge size to use (light, yet hard hitting, fast bullet as compared to other cartridges)

 

[Zarvan]

With respect sir i think Pakistan should create their own bullbpup design which is light and compact, reliable, adaptable, short in length (increasing maneuverability), variety of barrels and barrels length and be able to accept various type of ammo like the 6.5 mm Grendel which is an excellent cartridge size to use (light, yet hard hitting, fast bullet as compared to other cartridges)

I think majority of our Army boys don't like bullpup design. As for designing our own Gun it's a big risk and when you can get your hands on FN SCAR no body is going to design its own Gun.

 

[Arsalan]

No offence taken Sir by the way How man Guns I mean How many FN SCAR and How many ARX-200 and others are in trials ?

no idea on that --- but i believe could be 5 atleast --- because one test requires for Parts interchangeability ---- we cant do that if they are just 1 or 2 rifles

And here i though that someone was claiming that there sources confirm that the gunS are being used in battlefield and trails are going at testing ranges and different troops are testing in different conditions in the battle field. It sounded like a couple of hundred have been acquired and are operation with different units in different situations.

This happens when one start quoting Facebook messages as VERIFIED FACTS FROM SOURCES and that is what i have been making a lot of noise about in this thread. LET US KNOT GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES, lets not create hype and sensation out of nothing,, i mean, lets not be GEO!!

 

[Bratva]

And here i though that someone was claiming that there sources confirm that the gunS are being used in battlefield and trails are going at testing ranges and different troops are testing in different conditions in the battle field. It sounded like a couple of hundred have been acquired and are operation with different units in different situations.

This happens when one start quoting Facebook messages as VERIFIED FACTS FROM SOURCES and that is what i have been making a lot of noise about in this thread. LET US KNOT GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES, lets not create hype and sensation out of nothing,, i mean, lets not be GEO!!

how much hype was created over haider MBT and how it turned out to be.

 

[Amaa'n]

And here i though that someone was claiming that there sources confirm that the gunS are being used in battlefield and trails are going at testing ranges and different troops are testing in different conditions in the battle field. It sounded like a couple of hundred have been acquired and are operation with different units in different situations.

This happens when one start quoting Facebook messages as VERIFIED FACTS FROM SOURCES and that is what i have been making a lot of noise about in this thread. LET US KNOT GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES, lets not create hype and sensation out of nothing,, i mean, lets not be GEO!!

Really!!!! that is hilarious, this is never the case Janab --- a standard practice across the world, there is a series of test, each article is put through paces to measure durability ------ initially when weapons arrived they were at Kharain --- latter when COAS visited, weapons were moved to PoF ---- one wonders which Battefield is at POF
as said above by you, the exact reason I pulled out of the thread, all lot of gossip was going around ---- better to sit tight and wait for official sources ------

how much hype was created over haider MBT and how it turned out to be.

Yara tanks were actually tested in ranges ---- idk why they dropped the idea ----- it all went dead since the trails ----

Any idea how long theses tests will take ? I'm tired of seeing g3s in my gaurds hands
Btw what about Mg3 are we replacing that someday and what are we planning on doing with the type 56 and 81, and lastly , I have heard many people saying that our army uses type 56 a lot , but as far as I have seen , I have only seen one type 56 held by an Pak army personnel ever , all the other guns ppl keep calling ak47s( without saying variants ) and type 56s are actually type 81s look at the slits in the barrels and the stock, they are type 81s!

and you should continue to see the same G3 in your Guards' hands --- those are getting replaced for next few years ----- replacement is a veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy lengthy process