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Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

Which rifle should win the competition?

  • FN-SCAR-H

    Votes: 241 42.9%
  • Beretta ARX-200

    Votes: 62 11.0%
  • CZ-806 Bren2

    Votes: 116 20.6%
  • Kalashnikov AK-103

    Votes: 127 22.6%
  • Zavasta M21

    Votes: 17 3.0%

  • Total voters
    562
@Zahoor Raja-Jani Sir please reply here. Are those Guns which you are saying are shortlisted FN SCAR and CZ-806 BREN A2 ?
@balixd

CZ Announces CZ 806 Bren 2 Improved Modular Assault Rifle
Posted October 12, 2015 in Guns & Gear, News, Other Gear & Gadgets, Rifles by Nathaniel F with 48 Comments


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Czech small arms manufacturer Česká zbrojovka has introduced an improved, lighter variant of its 805 Bren rifle, called the 806 Bren 2. Altair.com reports:

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(How much is the CZ 805 BREN?, 2014-08-16), a very large mass, poor ergonomics, as well as the bad balance of the gun during firing. CZ 805 first series production also had a very long, steady flask with uncomfortable cheek pad. Soldiers also drew attention to the negative shaped handle and tensioning levers switch. Worse yet, in contrast to almost all modern construction, the cocking lever would not stop in a rear position after using all of the cartridges in the magazine. User can also easily distribute gas system for cleaning weapons.

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The new Bren 2 significantly improved ergonomics and functionality structure.Manipulators are operated intuitively and tensioning handle itself remains stationary while firing. Added a much better position flask with adjustable feet finished prominent damper / Photo: CZ

In the course of production changed, among others, flask, introduced enlarged wings switch the type of fire. In the second production batch it was decided to replace the drain chamber. Hence, the first 7737 Brenów supplied with transparent plastic magazinesconstruction CZ (can be used interchangeably with the Germanmagazine H & K G36), wypinanych lever similar to the AK. Other 9700 rifles CZ 805 (200 first series and all the other) are served with typical cartridge magazinesof M16 (Soon contract for weapons forACR, 2013-12-07). The release levers are located on both sides of the chamber drain.

The refinement of weapons involved was Colonel Josef Kopecký, the Czech commander of the 7th Mechanized Brigade, which is why he and his soldiers were the first to get acquainted with a new, refined variant of Ceska Zbrojovka carbine. October 6 at the shooting range in Bzenec presented rifles CZ 806 Bren 2 A1 and subkarabinki CZ 806 Bren 2 A2 as chief of the General Staff of ACR gen. Josef Becvarovi.

Bren 2 rifles family were announced at the DSEI arms fair in London (DSEI 2015: CZ Bren announced carbine 2, 2015-09-18). This structure formed on the basis of export varieties of CZ 807, which competed in the Indian weapon trials, canceled the program MCAR. Weapon referred to as the CZ 806 is adapted for ammunition 5.56 mm x 7.62 mm and 45 x 39, while maintaining the same drain chamber. The exchange will only be subject barrel, the castle and themagazine. In a variation of 5.56 mm would be a standard magazine M16, when the gun is supplied with the cartridge Russian model will be used for identical dimensions of the upper part of the hull.

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Photo showing introduced to the CZ 806 changes. The most important include the drainage chamber and the flask, but also mentioned the gas system in the band barrels / Photo: CZ

The CZ 806 Bren 2 introduced a number of amendments requested by the soldiers using weapons. First of all slimmed downcarbine, mainly by removing excess material with aluminum castle chambers, reducing its mass by 0.5 kg. For comparison, the mass of subkarabinka CZ 805 Bren 1 A2 280 mm barrel is 3.39 / 4.10 kg (without iron sights andmagazine / with a full magazine and sling), while his counterpart CZ 806 Bren 2 A2 of the same length barrel – only 2.76 / 2.99 kilograms.

Also redesigned from the cocking lever moving during the shot. The CZ 806 when voltage is disconnected from the breech and remains stationary in the conduct of fire. It also includes new mechanism of gas which decomposes to clean in a much simpler manner than in the model CZ 805 has also changed its setting number of two to three. CZ 806 has a new, folding on the right side of the flask with a plastic adjustable foot position. The latter ends with a prominent, removable from the shock.

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CZ 806 Bren 2 has been significantly slimmed down compared to the first variant.The weapon is lighter by about 0.5 kg / Photo: CZ

The main difference between the first and the second version is changed Brena drain chamber. It is no longer a separate module shared with the magazine slot, the CZ 806 is it with him one. Pistol grip can be equipped with one of two straps, matching it better to hand the shooter size M and L. Bren 2 has a new, improved trigger. The designers of the CZ abandoned the option series 2-blasting. In the model CZ 806 switch the type of fire has only three settings: protected, fire a single and continuous fire.

The rifle changed the position of the manipulators by introducing two release levers mobile assembly from the rear position in which it remains after the last shot. The first is almost identical to the known M16, located on the left side, conveniently manipulated with the thumb of a hand putting slot magazine. The second is hidden on the front wall of the interior of the trigger guard. It is shaped like the letter C, the pressure on the lower edge releases the bolt carrier with a rear position, while raising his finger top allows them to be blocked at the inspection. It also includes reciprocal release of the magazine, placed in front of the trigger guard on both sides of themagazine slot.

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Czech chief of staff of the armed forces during the familiarization with the new version of the rifle Brennan / Photo: ACR

The armed forces of the Czech Republic, which next year are going to buy the next batch of military weapons from Ceska Zbrojovka, probably decide to purchase a new variety CZ 806. Just Czech defense minister and the generals are perfectly aware that the early adoption of weapons to arm increases its export opportunities.

However, if such a decision will be made, it will mean that by the time a major overhaul, the Czech soldiers will be well until three versions rifles Brennan: CZ 805 Bren one of the chambers drain to the Czech magazines, CZ 805 Bren 1 of chambers trigger for magazines of M16 and modified CZ 806 Bren 2, in many ways different from the original model. That may create in the future a number of logistical problems associated even with the supply of spare parts. In practice, during renovations a few years, the older models will probably adapted to the latest standard.

For me, the second model Bren is an expected development. The Bren 805 rifle was originally designed for a polymer upper receiver, something that shows in its contours, which appear more well-suited to injection molding than milling. At some point in development, the material was changed to aluminum, but the receiver’s dimensions were not, resulting in an expensive and heavy assembly. The new rifle has an upper receiver apparently designed for aluminum from the start, which certainly brings the weight down, and mostly likely also greatly reduces cost. Indeed, the new rifle appears to address all of my major complaints about the 805, with the exception of the bolt removal procedure being armorer-level; no word yet on whether that has been changed. [EDIT: overlander in the comments points out that the pin holding the bolt group together is readily driven out. CZ reps had told Tim and myself that bolt removal procedure was armorer-level, and the pin has a divoted end that I had assumed was a rivet/staking. Mea culpa on that one]

Phil Note: The translation done by Google doesn’t always do the best job. Excuse the somewhat confusing language at times.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...cz-806-bren-2-improved-modular-assault-rifle/
 
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@Zahoor Raja-Jani Sir please reply here. Are those Guns which you are saying are shortlisted FN SCAR and CZ-806 BREN A2 ?
@balixd

CZ Announces CZ 806 Bren 2 Improved Modular Assault Rifle
Posted October 12, 2015 in Guns & Gear, News, Other Gear & Gadgets, Rifles by Nathaniel F with 48 Comments


r00b8hX.jpg

Czech small arms manufacturer Česká zbrojovka has introduced an improved, lighter variant of its 805 Bren rifle, called the 806 Bren 2. Altair.com reports:

ADVERTISEMENT

(How much is the CZ 805 BREN?, 2014-08-16), a very large mass, poor ergonomics, as well as the bad balance of the gun during firing. CZ 805 first series production also had a very long, steady flask with uncomfortable cheek pad. Soldiers also drew attention to the negative shaped handle and tensioning levers switch. Worse yet, in contrast to almost all modern construction, the cocking lever would not stop in a rear position after using all of the cartridges in the magazine. User can also easily distribute gas system for cleaning weapons.

bren22.jpg


The new Bren 2 significantly improved ergonomics and functionality structure.Manipulators are operated intuitively and tensioning handle itself remains stationary while firing. Added a much better position flask with adjustable feet finished prominent damper / Photo: CZ

In the course of production changed, among others, flask, introduced enlarged wings switch the type of fire. In the second production batch it was decided to replace the drain chamber. Hence, the first 7737 Brenów supplied with transparent plastic magazinesconstruction CZ (can be used interchangeably with the Germanmagazine H & K G36), wypinanych lever similar to the AK. Other 9700 rifles CZ 805 (200 first series and all the other) are served with typical cartridge magazinesof M16 (Soon contract for weapons forACR, 2013-12-07). The release levers are located on both sides of the chamber drain.

The refinement of weapons involved was Colonel Josef Kopecký, the Czech commander of the 7th Mechanized Brigade, which is why he and his soldiers were the first to get acquainted with a new, refined variant of Ceska Zbrojovka carbine. October 6 at the shooting range in Bzenec presented rifles CZ 806 Bren 2 A1 and subkarabinki CZ 806 Bren 2 A2 as chief of the General Staff of ACR gen. Josef Becvarovi.

Bren 2 rifles family were announced at the DSEI arms fair in London (DSEI 2015: CZ Bren announced carbine 2, 2015-09-18). This structure formed on the basis of export varieties of CZ 807, which competed in the Indian weapon trials, canceled the program MCAR. Weapon referred to as the CZ 806 is adapted for ammunition 5.56 mm x 7.62 mm and 45 x 39, while maintaining the same drain chamber. The exchange will only be subject barrel, the castle and themagazine. In a variation of 5.56 mm would be a standard magazine M16, when the gun is supplied with the cartridge Russian model will be used for identical dimensions of the upper part of the hull.

bren23.jpg


Photo showing introduced to the CZ 806 changes. The most important include the drainage chamber and the flask, but also mentioned the gas system in the band barrels / Photo: CZ

The CZ 806 Bren 2 introduced a number of amendments requested by the soldiers using weapons. First of all slimmed downcarbine, mainly by removing excess material with aluminum castle chambers, reducing its mass by 0.5 kg. For comparison, the mass of subkarabinka CZ 805 Bren 1 A2 280 mm barrel is 3.39 / 4.10 kg (without iron sights andmagazine / with a full magazine and sling), while his counterpart CZ 806 Bren 2 A2 of the same length barrel – only 2.76 / 2.99 kilograms.

Also redesigned from the cocking lever moving during the shot. The CZ 806 when voltage is disconnected from the breech and remains stationary in the conduct of fire. It also includes new mechanism of gas which decomposes to clean in a much simpler manner than in the model CZ 805 has also changed its setting number of two to three. CZ 806 has a new, folding on the right side of the flask with a plastic adjustable foot position. The latter ends with a prominent, removable from the shock.

bren24.jpg


CZ 806 Bren 2 has been significantly slimmed down compared to the first variant.The weapon is lighter by about 0.5 kg / Photo: CZ

The main difference between the first and the second version is changed Brena drain chamber. It is no longer a separate module shared with the magazine slot, the CZ 806 is it with him one. Pistol grip can be equipped with one of two straps, matching it better to hand the shooter size M and L. Bren 2 has a new, improved trigger. The designers of the CZ abandoned the option series 2-blasting. In the model CZ 806 switch the type of fire has only three settings: protected, fire a single and continuous fire.

The rifle changed the position of the manipulators by introducing two release levers mobile assembly from the rear position in which it remains after the last shot. The first is almost identical to the known M16, located on the left side, conveniently manipulated with the thumb of a hand putting slot magazine. The second is hidden on the front wall of the interior of the trigger guard. It is shaped like the letter C, the pressure on the lower edge releases the bolt carrier with a rear position, while raising his finger top allows them to be blocked at the inspection. It also includes reciprocal release of the magazine, placed in front of the trigger guard on both sides of themagazine slot.

bren25.jpg


Czech chief of staff of the armed forces during the familiarization with the new version of the rifle Brennan / Photo: ACR

The armed forces of the Czech Republic, which next year are going to buy the next batch of military weapons from Ceska Zbrojovka, probably decide to purchase a new variety CZ 806. Just Czech defense minister and the generals are perfectly aware that the early adoption of weapons to arm increases its export opportunities.

However, if such a decision will be made, it will mean that by the time a major overhaul, the Czech soldiers will be well until three versions rifles Brennan: CZ 805 Bren one of the chambers drain to the Czech magazines, CZ 805 Bren 1 of chambers trigger for magazines of M16 and modified CZ 806 Bren 2, in many ways different from the original model. That may create in the future a number of logistical problems associated even with the supply of spare parts. In practice, during renovations a few years, the older models will probably adapted to the latest standard.

For me, the second model Bren is an expected development. The Bren 805 rifle was originally designed for a polymer upper receiver, something that shows in its contours, which appear more well-suited to injection molding than milling. At some point in development, the material was changed to aluminum, but the receiver’s dimensions were not, resulting in an expensive and heavy assembly. The new rifle has an upper receiver apparently designed for aluminum from the start, which certainly brings the weight down, and mostly likely also greatly reduces cost. Indeed, the new rifle appears to address all of my major complaints about the 805, with the exception of the bolt removal procedure being armorer-level; no word yet on whether that has been changed. [EDIT: overlander in the comments points out that the pin holding the bolt group together is readily driven out. CZ reps had told Tim and myself that bolt removal procedure was armorer-level, and the pin has a divoted end that I had assumed was a rivet/staking. Mea culpa on that one]

Phil Note: The translation done by Google doesn’t always do the best job. Excuse the somewhat confusing language at times.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...cz-806-bren-2-improved-modular-assault-rifle/
Yes i am sure for Scar but as per recent reports main issue is cost and for short period Army is considering AK 101 for operations againt terrorists. May be we purchase few thousand SCARS for special forces or for those units who directly involved in operations.
 
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After FN SCAR I support this Gun. Well we don't have money otherwise FN SCAR could replace G3 and also giving real 7.62 X 51 Power to Special Forces and Infantry and this Gun can replace Type 56. I wish we had at least 50 Billion dollars as our budget

@balixd
What now?
we are not getting the FN SCAR anymore? o_O
I thought your sources had CONFIRMED the procurement.
 
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What now?
we are not getting the FN SCAR anymore? o_O
I thought your sources had CONFIRMED the procurement.
No I still support FN SCAR and that is my most favourite and 2nd favourite is this Gun. I hope we get FN SCAR. No what I know is FN SCAR is leading in trials but that doesn't mean it's confirmed

i hope it doesn't end up like tank trials
INSHALLAH it won't. Gun will be selected soon
 
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No I still support FN SCAR and that is my most favourite and 2nd favourite is this Gun. I hope we get FN SCAR. No what I know is FN SCAR is leading in trials but that doesn't mean it's confirmed


INSHALLAH it won't. Gun will be selected soon
The feeling was, or the feeling that was being tried to be created was that FN SCAR was final. There were talk of "leading the trails" and there were claims of "whole army going to get the new gun" the reason being " when we asked them for trails we know the money involved and asking them here mean that have been addressed". One thing leads to another and the whole story sounded like "FN leading the trails, money OBVIOUSLY not an issue so ...... you know what"

@Zarvan i have nothing against you dear, we have both been here on this forum for years now, its more like a family but i always request everyone that we should avoid creating sensation and hype out of nothing. We see Indians doing so (sorry to drag you in here) and see what we make of it. I hope you do not take all this as offensive and will consider my request like a friend/brother.

I also hope we do get the best system out there to arm our men with that.

Thanks
 
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The FN Scar looks too big and bulky; it should only be inducted for our Special Forces - it's design makes it seem as if it would do poor in urban environment.
 
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The FN Scar looks too big and bulky; it should only be inducted for our Special Forces - it's design makes it seem as if it would do poor in urban environment.
You are contradicting you point here sir,
if it is not suitable for urban warfare why would we arm our SF with these? o_O

Plus it dont look that bulk either.
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Which rifle are you comparing this with? :what:
 
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You are contradicting you point here sir,
if it is not suitable for urban warfare why would we arm our SF with these? o_O

Plus it dont look that bulk either.
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Which rifle are you comparing this with? :what:
It's the best Gun for urban warfare. Most special forces are adopting this Gun. Even Police SWAT units around the world are adopting FN SCAR

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The feeling was, or the feeling that was being tried to be created was that FN SCAR was final. There were talk of "leading the trails" and there were claims of "whole army going to get the new gun" the reason being " when we asked them for trails we know the money involved and asking them here mean that have been addressed". One thing leads to another and the whole story sounded like "FN leading the trails, money OBVIOUSLY not an issue so ...... you know what"

@Zarvan i have nothing against you dear, we have both been here on this forum for years now, its more like a family but i always request everyone that we should avoid creating sensation and hype out of nothing. We see Indians doing so (sorry to drag you in here) and see what we make of it. I hope you do not take all this as offensive and will consider my request like a friend/brother.

I also hope we do get the best system out there to arm our men with that.

Thanks
Which ever Gun will be selected will be selected for entire Army and FN SCAR is leading in the trials but until a deal is signed with company no one can be fully sure. In fact new Rifle will also go to Air Force and Navy and Para Military
 
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Which ever Gun will be selected will be selected for entire Army and FN SCAR is leading in the trials but until a deal is signed with company no one can be fully sure. In fact new Rifle will also go to Air Force and Navy and Para Military
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Again??
Dont make it sound like it is FINAL just to back off at some late stage.

Or change to this;
After FN SCAR I support this Gun. Well we don't have money otherwise FN SCAR could replace G3 and also giving real 7.62 X 51 Power to Special Forces and Infantry and this Gun can replace Type 56. I wish we had at least 50 Billion dollars as our budget

@balixd


from this;

Well member balixd is the source



We would have never tested FN SCAR if we had money issue. The moment we chose FN SCAR we knew what we are going for.

Allah ka baad app he ka asra ha bahi @balixd ,, will YOU try to convenice please!!
 
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still I would very much like scar to win as do zarvan.but personal favorite is ak103
 
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