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Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

Which rifle should win the competition?

  • FN-SCAR-H

    Votes: 241 42.9%
  • Beretta ARX-200

    Votes: 62 11.0%
  • CZ-806 Bren2

    Votes: 116 20.6%
  • Kalashnikov AK-103

    Votes: 127 22.6%
  • Zavasta M21

    Votes: 17 3.0%

  • Total voters
    562
Hey if that's what they tried. Then that's awesome maybe PA pulled a Iran. Iran also builds hybrids when it doesn't have money. I'm always a fan of creative improvisation.

Don't forget the LoIs and MoUs PA signed with Czech, Italy and Poland.

Left corner doesn't look like AK103. Rather type 56(folding metal stock) with black paint job.
Its a frankestine build...magwell and the mag itself is of G3... mag release is from AR...there are take down pins to separate upper and lower...I personally believe they tried to build AR on G3 machines ....at the bottom left corner is AK103 with under folder
 
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Its a frankestine build...magwell and the mag itself is of G3... mag release is from AR...there are take down pins to separate upper and lower...I personally believe they tried to build AR on G3 machines ....at the bottom left corner is AK103 with under folder
I think they also tried to change the operating mechanism from direct blowback to gas impingement system in this "Frankenstein" rifle.
 
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I think they also tried to change the operating mechanism from direct blowback to gas impingement system in this "Frankenstein" rifle.
Cant say for sure... if they were improving on items, they must have learnt things from scar and cz bren....so possible that they moved to Piston driven system
 
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Left corner doesn't look like AK103. Rather type 56(folding metal stock) with black paint job.
can't say for sure....one thing i see is the Rail on Dust cover - it's not a good idea because if they mount optics on this rail then everytime the dust cover is removed and put back on, it will need to be Zeroed again....only two designs that so far have proven to attain zero even after removing the dustcover are B33 - Zenitco and Texas Weapon System's Dog Tail v2 ---both of the designs are hinged based......

another thing we can improve on our current AK set up is the RDS / RMR sight instead of Comp4 Aimpoint,

remove the Picatiny quad rails and go for some something on Keymod or M-lok they are must better and lighter....
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When POF was upgrading its 7.62 ammo plant a few years ago I was wondering why they are doing it. I guess one of the reasons was that we are sticking with 7.62 (hence this new rifle).
 
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The 7.62x51mm and 7.62x39mm cartridges might be similar in caliber size, but they are two very different rounds. To help you understand the differences, it helps to know the history and the performance of the 7.62x51 vs. 7.62x39 cartridge.
A History of 7.62 Cartridges
7.62x51mm (Aka 7.62 NATO)
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The 7.62 NATO cartridge was created to fight the rise of communism.

The 7.65×51 ammunition cartridge was developed for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), which was founded essentially as an anti-Soviet group to counterweight the Soviet Union’s control of the eastern Europe. NATO wanted to have a standardized rifle cartridge that could be used among all their forces.

Using the .308 Winchester cartridge as a base, the round was modified slightly. They wanted to eliminate feeding issues and to reduce overall cartridge pressure .

The 7.62×51 or 7.62 NATO (which is another common name for the caliber) was officially introduced into military service in conjunction with the M14 rifle. This rifle would go through multiple modifications throughout the years.

7.62×51 was first released in 1954, but American forces did not use the ammunition in significant fighting until the Vietnam war. In Vietnam, the military discovered the cartridge had a few disadvantages in jungle warfare.

Because of its size, troops could not carry as many rounds as the enemy, who carried the shorter 7.62x39mm. Also, the length of the M14 rifle made combat more difficult in tight jungle space.

Eventually, the M16 rifle and 5.56x45mm cartridge replaced the M14-7.62 NATO combination as the primary American weapon of that conflict, but the modified .308 Winchester remains an important part of United States and European military forces to this day.

Military forces from the U.S. and other NATO countries still use the 7.62 NATO, although it is primarily used for mounted-machine-gun and sniper-rifle purposes. In most cartridges, you will find the 7.62 NATO with bullets at roughly 145 to 175 grains.

Side note: 7.62x51mm is NOT the .308 Winchester, but it’s close. The .308 Winchester is generally loaded to higher pressures, but they are generally interchangeable in rifles chambered for one round or the other.

7.62×39mm (Aka 7.62 Soviet)
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The AK-47 is a tough-as-nails platform with an efficient 7.62 cartridge built for the Soviet Army.

7.62×39 ammunition and the caliber as a whole, which is often called the “7.62 Soviet” (for clarity, this is what we will call it), was developed in the 1940’s as a do-it-all round for the Soviet Union. At the time, the Soviet Union was engaged in war with Nazi Germany.

The Soviets wanted a round that could meet many different needs. Primarily, they wanted to maintain longer effective ranges than pistol cartridges while being small enough to be carried by infantry troops. The initial development started in 1944 and the caliber was used at the tail end of World War II.

After World War II, the AK-47 was developed. Chambered for the versatile 7.62 Soviet, the AK-47 became a dependable weapon for Soviet and communist forces throughout the 20th century. The rifle still has a reputation as a reliable weapon that can withstand the most rugged conditions, from mud to sand to frost. With the spread of the AK-47, the 7.62 Soviet became one of the most-widely used cartridges in the world.

7.62×39 remains a popular cartridge among both military personnel and has even become a popular round for private gun-owners in America.

It is used in hunting for game as large as whitetail deer. It’s also become one of the most popular competition and general-shooting rounds, thanks in large part to its high availability and relatively low cost. When searching for ammo, you will find 7.62 Soviet rounds with a bullet weight of roughly 123 grains.

7.62×51 vs 7.62×39 Comparison
It’s difficult to compare the two cartridges, as it is not a straight comparison and rarely are any variables the same. They have different powder loads, different grain sizes, and are not interchangeable cartridges.

However, we’ll do our best to help you understand the difference between the two by focusing on the aspects that concern most gun owners.

What’s Cheaper to Shoot – 7.62×39 vs. 7.62×51?

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The 7.62×39 cartridge is an affordable option for shooters wanting to visit the range on a budget.

Although pricing will depend on the brand, where you buy, and market availability, you will likely discover that the 7.62 Soviet is often cheaper than 7.62×51.

Advantage: 7.62 Soviet

Velocity Difference – 7.62×39 vs. 7.61×51

Because the 7.62 NATO is a larger cartridge loaded powder, it delivers the bullet at a faster speed than the 7.62 Soviet, despite the heavier projectile.

There are many variations, but Federal offers both cartridges. Their 7.62 NATO rounds are listed at nearly 2,800 feet per second in muzzle velocity. Their 7.62 Soviet rounds only reach 2,350 feet per second.

Advantage: 7.62×51

Energy

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A side-by-side comparison of targets shot by 7.62×39 and 7.62×51 bullets.

As you might have already guessed, the larger powder load and heavier bullet in the 7.62 NATO results in higher ratings for muzzle and down-range energy.

The American Eagle full metal jacket 7.62 Soviet cartridge from Federal Premium, which has a 124-grain bullet, has a muzzle energy of 1,520 foot-pounds. The same brand’s 7.62 NATO with a 149-grain bullet has a muzzle energy of 2,790 foot pounds.

Advantage: 7.62 NATO

Trajectory of 7.62×51 vs. 7.62×39

It’s also generally accepted that the 7.62 NATO is flatter trajectory. When zeroed in to 100 yards, the same 7.62 Soviet cartridge that we discussed above drops 6.5 inches after 200 yards. It drops almost two feet after 300. However, the NATO drops 3.6 inches after 200 and 13.5 inches after 300.

Advantage: 7.62 NATO

The Bottom Line:
Choose 7.62 NATO for Accuracy, Distance-Shooting
Choose 7.62 Soviet for High-Volume

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When accuracy matters, 7.62 Nato will get the job done.

If you still can’t decide between the two, it’s probably best to think about your goals for rifle ownership.

If you’re interested in long-distance competition or hobby shooting, then the 7.62 NATO is likely your best option. If you are more interested in high-volume shooting, a rifle chambered for the 7.62 Soviet will likely be a better choice. In either case, both are tried and true calibers that are a true joy to shoot.
 
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There's a lot going on in this pic. AR style 762 Nato and a 556 on the bottom right (both with all the tacticool mods) along with an AK smg (bulgarian style) on the bottom left with back rails. IMO a better solution than placing an order for foreign rifles for the whole army.
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lets hope it's just a prototype and production model will be more refined... I am thinking in terms of civilian sales. a 7.62 nato in AR is highly coveted in US alone.
also I hope it has the short-stroke piston action rather than gas blowback.
also a 7.62 Russian version won't be too much to ask.....and a recoil mitigating muzzle brake...Compensator etc

khyli plow ready.
 
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PAF recently bought 2662 units with accessories of SMG 7.62x39mm (Chinese Type 56 II) for a total price of US$470000.00. That would amount to a per unit cost of US$176.55 per SMG! - Source MODP YearBook 2017-18

Any questions FN SCAR, Berretta or CZ?
 
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lets hope it's just a prototype and production model will be more refined... I am thinking in terms of civilian sales. a 7.62 nato in AR is highly coveted in US alone.
also I hope it has the short-stroke piston action rather than gas blowback.
also a 7.62 Russian version won't be too much to ask.....and a recoil mitigating muzzle brake...Compensator etc

khyli plow ready.

it does.
 
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Don't you guys think its time to buy newer types of M4A1 Block II as well for SOF. Or simply change our supplier because US play sanction sanction every time. Heckler & Koch HK-416 is a good choice. Or maybe Turkish MPT- 55(5.56×45 NATO).
 
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