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Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

Which rifle should win the competition?

  • FN-SCAR-H

    Votes: 241 42.9%
  • Beretta ARX-200

    Votes: 62 11.0%
  • CZ-806 Bren2

    Votes: 116 20.6%
  • Kalashnikov AK-103

    Votes: 127 22.6%
  • Zavasta M21

    Votes: 17 3.0%

  • Total voters
    562
there are limitations to build everything in house. Pakistan has few rifles of its own if you check out POF products. main battle rifle for the military is a big undertaking and its better to get the plant for an established brand tried test and proven over decades
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Yet, so many countries, from Israel to Poland to Romania to... have no problems developing their own service rifle. It seems a mental block more than anything else, and no - these rifles are not tested over decades... most of the rifles in contention were tested for a few years at best.
 
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Yet, so many countries, from Israel to Poland to Romania to... have no problems developing their own service rifle. It seems a mental block more than anything else, and no - these rifles are not tested over decades... most of the rifles in contention were tested for a few years at best.

army men will always try to find excuses for their inability.
besides that it isn't the work of any form of army run institution to design a rifle .
 
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army men will always try to find excuses for their inability.
besides that it isn't the work of any form of army run institution to design a rifle .
correct; this is the work of external institutions. there is really no reason why a local rifle could not be made. similarly local derivative for side arm as well.
 
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yes very true. in all this time if you cannot even design your own rifle then same on everyone.

an attempt was made over 10 years ago in using the G3 design and using HK machines to come up with a domestic design and that led nowhere because the war started and that work was shelved. after the war that old project wasn't revived because it was panz. So instead they have decided to look abroad.
 
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yes very true. in all this time if you cannot even design your own rifle then same on everyone.
Most of us are ashamed when we look at our potential and then what's being utilized. It hurts your head to think about.

an attempt was made over 10 years ago in using the G3 design and using HK machines to come up with a domestic design and that led nowhere because the war started and that work was shelved. after the war that old project wasn't revived because it was panz. So instead they have decided to look abroad.
You would think the war would act like a catalyst for the project but, then again. Our leaders are questionable, at most.
 
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You would think the war would act like a catalyst for the project but, then again. Our leaders are questionable, at most.
when you have a crook who was planted by his overseers to plunder the nation. The times were hard and money was ending up in the fake accounts. despite that still here and not become syria.
 
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Whats stopping private companies to invest in R&D and start manufacturing guns, eventually to be sold to PA?
 
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when you have a crook who was planted by his overseers to plunder the nation. The times were hard and money was ending up in the fake accounts. despite that still here and not become syria.
Which era would you be referring to? 2001 or post 2005?
 
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Uneducated gunsmiths of Darra Adam Khel and small industrial estate Peshawar can copy any firearm with their hands tied behind their backs so coming up with own original rifle is not rocket science. Talent and skills are there. The will is lacking.

similarly local derivative for sidearm as well.

There are options available. This time credit goes to the private sector.

DSA Trushot - 9mm
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DSA 9 - 9mm (Internal hammer like Glock)
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Why the boys at Pak Ordinance Factory are sitting idle and has no interest in a little creativity and R&D, is beyond me.
 
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Uneducated gunsmiths of Darra Adam Khel and small industrial estate Peshawar can copy any firearm with their hands tied behind their backs so coming up with own original rifle is not rocket science. Talent and skills are there. The will is lacking.



There are options available. This time credit goes to the private sector.

DSA Trushot - 9mm
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DSA 9 - 9mm (Internal hammer like Glock)
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Why the boys at Pak Ordinance Factory are sitting idle and has no interest in a little creativity and R&D, is beyond me.
Correct it makes no sense frankly; easy salary and no incentive to innovate and stagnate is bound to set in.

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This is our side arm and exported out as well. based loosely on the Beretta 92; it is still far better and adopts more changes which were necessary for us.

Whats stopping private companies to invest in R&D and start manufacturing guns, eventually to be sold to PA?
Probably the mafia of armed forces who dont want to encourage innovation. The problem i see is entire industry is being put under the umbrella of DF; it needs to be a standalone entity with no connection or even having personnel from there.

For example - just a simple casing point - is it that difficult to put basic aircraft which can be sold all over the place? no. Just have a look at sling and how innovators made it a name here locally out of nothing. or from my university at Potchefstroom for their world renouned gliders.
https://airplanefactory.co.za/distribution/?
 
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there are limitations to build everything in house. Pakistan has few rifles of its own if you check out POF products. main battle rifle for the military is a big undertaking and its better to get the plant for an established brand tried test and proven over decades
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We are talking about rifle,which one of the largest Military+LEA machinery in world is going to use,not less them 2 millions.
 
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