Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[fatman17]

delegation from the Pakistan defense industry visited Poland last week to discuss potential cooperation with the Polish small arms industry. The meeting)—the first of three meeting scheduled for this year— saw representatives from the Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) and Polish Armaments Group (PGZ), and the “main topic of talks” between Lt. Gen. Durrani and PGZ board member Maciej Lew-Mirski was the “potential of the purchase and transfer of technology related to the production of small arms and ammunition” for the purpose of supplanting the Pakistan Army’s G-3 and Type 56 assault rifles. Should the Pakistan Army proceed with a small arms modernization program, PGZ estimates that the Army could require “between 500 and 800,000 new automatic rifles, which should replace existing weapons”, a program that could be worth up to $2 billion.

 

[Path-Finder]

https://twitter.com/x/status/933454403645984769

 

[Zarvan]

 

[Vergennes]

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Don't know what your question is,but this is an Italian soldier equipped with an ARX 160 probably guarding an important or strategic site as part of the operation 'strade sicure'. He's from the infantry according to his beret.

 

[Hell hound]

Don't know what your question is,but this is an Italian soldier equipped with an ARX 160 probably guarding an important or strategic site as part of the operation 'strade sicure'. He's from the infantry according to his beret.

believe me if not for the uniform i would have assume him to be a Pakistani or at least of Pakistani descent

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I want some of the stuff u r on

Zarvan posted a picture. My question was whether that rifle(Italian obviously) is selected? As we heard that this rifle is also in trials. His posts are important.

 

[Vergennes]

Zarvan posted a picture. My question was whether that rifle(Italian obviously) is selected? As we heard that this rifle is also in trials. His posts are important.

Yee,but it is the ARX 200 that is in trial,not the ARX 160,the one pictured.

 

[The Eagle]

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[Amaa'n]

Producing all models of GLOCK in Pakistan will be dream come true but as POF has history of disappointing so I am not having any hopes from these visits and if any good news comes than it would be great

Just talked to Horus he says these trips most likely have nothing to do with Rifle trials. Rifles which were tested only those are being considered. POF head have habit of roaming around and also POF has nothing to do with which Rifle will be selected after selection they would be told to produce the selected one

& @Horus
You guys need to understand that PoF is a stakeholder in the Rifle Trails too....whatever rifle is selected it will be selected with the input from PoF, they have the experts, they have the metallurgists......Army's Arms branch is involved in the Rifle Trails, testing all the weapons, compiling the reports & at stage PoF is being consulted too......do we even have the technology to produce the high quality polymer required for SCAR? do we have the expertise & the experts who would understand the production process to the core ........these all needs to be addressed before Rifle is finalized

 

[Bratva]

& @Horus
You guys need to understand that PoF is a stakeholder in the Rifle Trails too....whatever rifle is selected it will be selected with the input from PoF, they have the experts, they have the metallurgists......Army's Arms branch is involved in the Rifle Trails, testing all the weapons, compiling the reports & at stage PoF is being consulted too......do we even have the technology to produce the high quality polymer required for SCAR? do we have the expertise & the experts who would understand the production process to the core ........these all needs to be addressed before Rifle is finalized

Good point . Perhaps a factor which is causing delay to select new guns ? Because as per POF it will take 5 years to upgrade the POF machinery

While talking about present status of plants and machines and projected modernization plan, the committee was told that 58% of the machinery in use of POF is around 30 years old and it definitely affects the cost and time of production. The committee strongly recommended expediting work on the moving and approval of summary of 250 million US Dollars required over a span of five years for up gradation of the machinery.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-me...ld-at-senate-secretariat-where-matter.525633/

 

[Amaa'n]

53 Thousand Grot Rifles for the Polish Armed Forces. Contract Concluded
More than 53 thousand 5.56 mm MSBS rifles are going to be received by the Polish Army until the year 2020, on the grounds of a contract signed during the MSPO 2017 defence salon in Kielce, on Tuesday. The firearm, which is going to be received both by the regular units of the Polish Armed Forces, as well as by the Territorial Defence component, has received a name: “Grot”.


The agreement has been signed by the commander of the Nil military unit, Col. Mirosław Krupa, and by members of the boards of the Polish Armaments Group – President Błażej Wojnicz and Szczepan Ruman, and of the “Łucznik” Radom firearms manufacturing facility – President Adam Suliga and Maciej Borecki. The ceremony which took place on the first day of the 15th edition of the MSPO Defence Industry Salon also involved the head of the Polish Ministry of Defence, Antoni Macierewicz.

The contract value has been defined as almost half billion zlotys, which, as the PGZ representatives stress, means that this is one of the most significant firearms procurement contracts after the year 1989. The contract concerns the procurement and deliveries of the “Grot” C 16 FB-M1 weapon which is a member of the MSBS rifle family - as the release issued by the Polish Armaments Group reads.

Until the year 2020, the Polish Armed Forces are to receive more than 53 thousand Grot rifles. Out of the quantity above, the first 1000 examples are to become the armament of the Territorial Defence units. The aforesaid branch of the Armed Forces, together with the Special Forces and the Military Police, has been testing the MSBS firearms for three months this year.

The head of the Polish Ministry of Defence, Antoni Macierewicz, stressed the fact that conclusion of the agreement has been reached at a rapid pace. - This indeed is an extraordinary event, not only because we were just witnessing an event of conclusion of a contract of enormous value, exceeding 500 million zlotys, not only because as a result of the above more than 53 thousand state of the art, the most modern in existence, rifles would be handed out to the Special Forces, operational units and to the Territorial Defence component, and not only because the first 1000 rifles would be delivered this year, until December, but, above all, because we were able to do all of the above in an unbelievably short period of time – as Macierewicz stated.

The Minister was stressing the fact that Grot is a world class achievement and that it has gone through “all of the tests, both in the Special Operations component, as well as in the Territorial Defence branch, exceeding the expectations.” – Its reliability cannot be compared to any other weapon - as it was stated by Macierewicz. Antoni Macierewicz emphasized the fact that the contract was being created until 6AM in the morning on Tuesday................................................................

http://www.defence24.com/657859,53-...or-the-polish-armed-forces-contract-concluded

Good point . Perhaps a factor which is causing delay to select new guns ? Because as per POF it will take 5 years to upgrade the POF machinery

While talking about present status of plants and machines and projected modernization plan, the committee was told that 58% of the machinery in use of POF is around 30 years old and it definitely affects the cost and time of production. The committee strongly recommended expediting work on the moving and approval of summary of 250 million US Dollars required over a span of five years for up gradation of the machinery.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-me...ld-at-senate-secretariat-where-matter.525633/

Makes sense......

 

[Zarvan]

& @Horus
You guys need to understand that PoF is a stakeholder in the Rifle Trails too....whatever rifle is selected it will be selected with the input from PoF, they have the experts, they have the metallurgists......Army's Arms branch is involved in the Rifle Trails, testing all the weapons, compiling the reports & at stage PoF is being consulted too......do we even have the technology to produce the high quality polymer required for SCAR? do we have the expertise & the experts who would understand the production process to the core ........these all needs to be addressed before Rifle is finalized

Till now other than senior Military Officers who are head of POF, I can tell you POF guys have hardly any clue what is going on with Rifle trials. But interesting thing is now Air Chief visited same company which was recently visited by POF head and others

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Till now other than senior Military Officers who are head of POF, I can tell you POF guys have hardly any clue what is going on with Rifle trials. But interesting thing is now Air Chief visited same company which was recently visited by POF head and others

The PAF CAS visited PGZ, which is the Polish government body that represents many Polish defence companies, including aviation companies.

 

[Zarvan]

The PAF CAS visited PGZ, which is the Polish government body that represents many Polish defence companies, including aviation companies.

O sorry for the mistake but why all of a sudden every one is going to Poland ???

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

O sorry for the mistake but why all of a sudden every one is going to Poland ???

Because Poland is one of those countries with lots of work and experts in developing defence technologies. For example, Poland has done work in AESA radar technology, composites, avionics, etc. They have expertise and are willing to engage with Pakistan.