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Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

Which rifle should win the competition?

  • FN-SCAR-H

    Votes: 241 42.9%
  • Beretta ARX-200

    Votes: 62 11.0%
  • CZ-806 Bren2

    Votes: 116 20.6%
  • Kalashnikov AK-103

    Votes: 127 22.6%
  • Zavasta M21

    Votes: 17 3.0%

  • Total voters
    562
Sir when you don't know things than please don't talk or at least bother to ask me. I supported MPT-76 because I didn't imagined Pakistan testing SCAR or even Berreta for that matter. I thought at maximum we could get our hands on that Gun. This is the only reason I supported this Rifle so please bother to ask.
Ok so let me ask, why is it so that at time you were absolutely certain that:
  1. MPT-76 deal have been signed and we are geeting these with ToT, remember your claims regarding your "sources" confirming this?
  2. Why were you sure that MPT76 is the absolute best there ever can be in guns?
I didnt bothered to ask you because i did asked you a very simple thing regarding thise disposable rockets and you never answered, i thought you might not be in mood to answer this as well so why ask!!

That was a passing fling!
Then trust me when i say that you dont know about it. :)
 
Why does the POF manufacture x54r round?For Dragonouv or some other DMR?
Isn't SVD and PSL retired ?
 
BREAKING: US Army Releases RFI for New 7.62mm Interim Combat Service Rifle

The US Army’s Program Manager for Individual Weapons has issued a new Request for Information (RFI) to the industry for a new 7.62x51mm Interim Combat Service Rifle, which seeks to bring out the best battle rifles the market has to offer. The RFI, posted at FBO,gov, reads:

DESCRIPTION: This announcement constitutes an official Request for Information (RFI) for an Interim Combat Service Rifle (ICSR). The U.S. Army, Army Contracting Command – New Jersey at Picatinny Arsenal is conducting a market survey on behalf of Product Manager Individual Weapons to identify potential sources for a combat rifle system.
This Request For Information (RFI) is for planning purposes only and should not be construed as a Request for Proposal or as an obligation on the part of the Government to acquire any services or hardware. Your response to this RFI will be treated as information only. No entitlement to payment of direct or indirect costs or charges by the Government will arise as a result of contractor submission of responses to this announcement or Government use of such information. No funds have been authorized, appropriated, or received for this effort. The information provided may be used by the Army in developing its Acquisition Strategy, Performance Work Statement and Performance Specification. Interested parties are responsible for adequately marking proprietary or competition sensitive information contained in their response. The Government does not intend to award a contract on the basis of this RFI or to otherwise pay for the information submitted in response to same. The information provided herein is subject to change and in no way binds the Government to pursue any course of action described herein. The U.S. Government is not obligated to notify respondents of the results of this survey.

Desired Attributes of Interim Combat Service Rifle:

• The rifle must be a Commercial Off The Shelf (COTS) system readily available for purchase today. Modified or customized systems are not being considered.
• Caliber: 7.62x51mm
• Available barrel lengths, to include 16 and 20 inch barrels, without muzzle device attached.
• Muzzle device capable of or adaptable to auxiliary devices for:
— Compensation of muzzle climb
— Flash suppression
— Sound Suppression
• Fire Control: Safe, Semi-automatic, and fully automatic capable.
• All controls (e.g. selector, charging handle) are ambidextrous and operable by left and right handed users
• Capable of mounting a 1.25 inch wide military sling
• Capable of accepting or mounting the following accessories.
— Forward grip/bi-pod for the weapon
— variable power optic
• Detachable magazine with a minimum capacity of 20 rounds
• Folding or collapsing buttstock adjustable to change the overall length of the weapon
• Foldable backup iron sights calibrated/adjustable to a maximum of 600 meters range
• Weight less than 12lb unloaded and without optic
• Extended Forward Rail

Those looking to make a submission should follow the link to the FedBizOpps website for further information.

It seems that the current theory behind this switch lies with the US Army and Congress’s concern that current 5.56mm ammunition will be unable to penetrate hard ceramic body armors like the Army’s current ESAPI plates without switching to the larger 7.62mm round. While on the surface, this move seems to be logical, its legitimacy thins considerably when the situation is considered in detail. First, neither current 5.56mm nor 7.62mm ball ammunition (M855A1 and M80A1 EPRs) can penetrate ceramic armor at any combat distances, nor could any kind of hypothetical round that did not use a heavy metal. This means that for a 7.62mm rifle to be effective, it must fire not the current M80A1 round, but a tungsten-cored AP round such as M993 or the upcoming XM1158 ADVAP which almost certainly also has a tungsten core. What makes a switch to 7.62mm on this basis strange is that with tungsten-cored ammunition 5.56mm will also penetrate ceramic body armor out to 100-200 meters.

It would be incorrect to suggest that this solution in either caliber is “neat”. Rather, both are less than satisfying for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the extreme limited availability and high cost of tungsten material. Tungsten-cored ammunition is 4-5 times as expensive per round, and cannot be used in “industrial” quantities for large-scale economic war the way that normal ammunition can. Therefore, this solution – in either caliber – is problematic, and the question of what the right solution is if hard ceramic armors are expected to proliferate remains essentially unanswered, even with a 7.62mm ICSR.

All this raises the question: Is the armor issue simply an excuse for a larger-caliber infantry rifle? The suggestion that it might be draws attention to the very serious concerns I presented in my previous article about the ICSR effort. If the supposed benefits of the 7.62mm round in addressing a critical need to defeat next-generation body armor are more or less fiction, then what is so compelling about this move that a litany of major penalties to the rifleman’s effectiveness in both training and combat are deemed acceptable?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...-rfi-new-7-62mm-interim-combat-service-rifle/
 
Like I said EONS ago here, Pakistan Army rifle replacement project is officially DEAD in the water
 
Like I said EONS ago here, Pakistan Army rifle replacement project is officially DEAD in the water
You were wrong then
You are wrong now.

An announcement likely in coming weeks now.
 
is it me or is the army gonna do a stunt like when they selected G3s in the 60s i think and are gonna select SCAR......
 
is it me or is the army gonna do a stunt like when they selected G3s in the 60s i think and are gonna select SCAR......
Heard they liked M16 more. But it was relatively more complex (internal mechanism,required more maintenance) and expensive, so they settled for simpler,cost sffective G3s.
 
Ok so let me ask, why is it so that at time you were absolutely certain that:
  1. MPT-76 deal have been signed and we are geeting these with ToT, remember your claims regarding your "sources" confirming this?
  2. Why were you sure that MPT76 is the absolute best there ever can be in guns?
I didnt bothered to ask you because i did asked you a very simple thing regarding thise disposable rockets and you never answered, i thought you might not be in mood to answer this as well so why ask!!


Then trust me when i say that you dont know about it. :)
I never claimed we are going for MPT-76 with TOT I said that would be most likely candidate because I didn't thought that we would test Rifles like Berreta or SCAR or CZ. I thought only option for us was MPT-76. But when I saw the rifles and than contacted Army guys things changed. They went for trials after years of study and when they had made sure which ever Rifle they choose they can pay for it only than Trials were started. As for disposable rockets I stand by what I said if it has more rate of fire per minute I would choose it but if weapon like Carl Gaustav has more rate of fire or any other automatic weapon I would go for that.

Like I said EONS ago here, Pakistan Army rifle replacement project is officially DEAD in the water
Than why they are still talking to companies if it's dead ???? For GOD sake talks are taking place and you are saying it's dead
 
You were wrong then
You are wrong now.

An announcement likely in coming weeks now.

If ONLY I had a dollar for every time I heard that statement here!

'Insider' is back again.. :hitwall:

Yes yes, we know talks are going ON (and on and on and on and on ......) and a decision is expected within few weeks since the last 14 months! Ho Hum!
 
If ONLY I had a dollar for every time I heard that statement here!



Yes yes, we know talks are going ON (and on and on and on and on ......) and a decision is expected within few weeks since the last 14 months! Ho Hum!
I will give you more if you can quote my post, a month or more old where I have said that it is coming in next few weeks!!

I never claimed we are going for MPT-76 with TOT I said that would be most likely candidate because I didn't thought that we would test Rifles like Berreta or SCAR or CZ. I thought only option for us was MPT-76. But when I saw the rifles and than contacted Army guys things changed. They went for trials after years of study and when they had made sure which ever Rifle they choose they can pay for it only than Trials were started. As for disposable rockets I stand by what I said if it has more rate of fire per minute I would choose it but if weapon like Carl Gaustav has more rate of fire or any other automatic weapon I would go for that.
Zarvan i am in no mood to go back a few months to bring back all those posts regarding the Turkish gun but be sure that i can. It was just one of hundreds of times where you have back tracked after "things changing".

As for the rockets, i am sorry to say this but you are in no position to select or reject a system :lol:. My question never was about whether YOU will GO FOR IT or not :P. It was simply that if you think it is crap, do you think that you more than the dozens of countries investing millions of dollars in SIMILAR weapon systems? It is quite a simple question if you had the guts to answer it.
 

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