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Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

Which rifle should win the competition?

  • FN-SCAR-H

    Votes: 241 42.9%
  • Beretta ARX-200

    Votes: 62 11.0%
  • CZ-806 Bren2

    Votes: 116 20.6%
  • Kalashnikov AK-103

    Votes: 127 22.6%
  • Zavasta M21

    Votes: 17 3.0%

  • Total voters
    562
The cost reason is given by there Army they have told this reason to washington post and all the other journals so go do some reasearch before asking me
Hazrat, please think for a second. SCAR was made for US spec ops as per requirements. They adopted it I even told you the years of service 2004 to 2009~. Now pentagon is so broke they can't afford it for their spec ops?

Here we are arming upto a million personal with a weapon that no longer serves the country it was made for. What a way to cheer lead Hazrat. SCAR is becoming a lost cause and the US didn't drop it for cost either.

What was the cost that they couldn't afford to keep just their spec ops equipped with this rifle?
 
One major reason is SCAR was designed specially for there Special Forces and to meet there special forces requirement so they are the only one inducting it. When infantry started the trials after few months USA army quashed them despite the fact that M4 was outperformed by at least two to three rifles. Still you question them the answer which most was given was that most Guns were better than M4 but not that much better secondly getting new rifle and training people on it was too much cost. And Bren Guys are pretty much out


Yes they are sticking to M4 due to cost issue if you don't follow western media this is what they have told them if you don't bother to do research or study I can do nothing about it. SCAR L was better than M4


Yes we are getting them and USA has other issues and if you think they are not corrupt they are massively corrupt many of there soldiers are busy selling weapons to Taliban and export drugs to USA so please stop giving me example of USA you may consider it dream world I don't
What does corruption have to do with their military budget, thier budget is more than the rest of the world combined, let that sink in hazrat, ur syndicate is fighting for a lost cause, dont ever accuse the yanks of having budget constraints lol, they spend more on r n d of stuff they dont actually need and eventually cancel than our entire budget...
 
All of this has nothing to do with performance of SCAR and switching to another platform by the US. Dont come up with made up theories please.
I am not coming up with any made up theory M4 was outperformed even by SCAR L. Army did the trials and M4 was outperformed but they stopped the trials after that bringing cost issues and other factors

Hazrat, please think for a second. SCAR was made for US spec ops as per requirements. They adopted it I even told you the years of service 2004 to 2009~. Now pentagon is so broke they can't afford it for their spec ops?

Here we are arming upto a million personal with a weapon that no longer serves the country it was made for. What a way to cheer lead Hazrat. SCAR is becoming a lost cause and the US didn't drop it for cost either.

What was the cost that they couldn't afford to keep just their spec ops equipped with this rifle?
I have thought for months and did my research which you fail to do

Lol now hazrats syndicate has informed him that the Us has cost issues,:taz:, how does one even begin to reply to such elevated wisdom...
Go bother to read media coverage of this issue by USA media every paper is told few things of not going for new Rifle one of them is cost. Ask them where they spent there 600 billion dollars budget not me

Army quits tests after competing rifle outperforms M4A1 carbine


munitions: National Guard Sgt. Larry J. Isbell fires at targets with his M4A1 carbine rifle. The Army is looking to phase out the longstanding weapon, but the potential suppliers to do so, as well as the competition results, remain shrouded ... more >
EXCLUSIVE:

A competing rifle outperformed the Army’s favored M4A1 carbine in key firings during a competition last year before the service abruptly called off the tests and stuck with its gun, according to a new confidential report.

The report also says the Army changed the ammunition midstream to a round “tailored” for the M4A1 rifle. It quoted competing companies as saying the switch was unfair because they did not have enough time to fire the new ammo and redesign their rifles before the tests began.



Exactly how the eight challengers — and the M4 — performed in a shootout to replace the M4, a soldier’s most important personal defense, has been shrouded in secrecy.

But an “official use only report” by the Center for Naval Analyses shows that one of the eight unidentified weapons outperformed the M4 on reliability and on the number of rounds fired before the most common type of failures, or stoppages, occurred, according to data obtained by The Washington Times.

The Army did not respond to The Times. At the time, the Army explained the cancellation by saying none of the eight showed a huge improvement over the M4. In the past, the Army, with an inventory of 500,000 M4s, has defended the carbine as reliable, accurate and popular among the large majority of soldiers. It has been upgraded throughout the war on terror to improve its magazine, barrel and sights.


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Congress pressed the Army to hold the shootout in the face of mounting criticism from soldiers that the M4 is unreliable. The M4 is perhaps the most deployed weapon system in the war on terror — essential firepower in combating the Taliban, al Qaeda and other insurgents at close range during raids and firefights.

The Times earlier this year published a two-part series on the M4 revealing that, as the war on terror began, the carbine flunked several reliability tests when subjected to rapid fire. The Times spoke with soldiers who had used the M4 in intense combat. They said the magazine is tinny and subject to jamming. The gun itself requires constant cleaning. One Green Beret said he and his colleagues, once in theater, rebuild the gun with better parts.

The CNA report shows that one competing gun outperformed all other competitors, including the M4, on some key tests. The results show there was a potentially better gun for soldiers.

Army to say none of the weapons passed the test,” said a U.S. official critical of how the Army buys small arms. “It was true, but it was extremely misleading. They set the requirements for the mean round between failure at around 3,000 rounds. That’s extremely high.”

He added: “You had one weapon beat the pants off your incumbent, and the result of this was not to do more testing. You had the opportunity to keep working and pursuing a better weapon, and you chose not to.”

The data is contained in a broader Center for Naval Analyses (CNA) report on the military’s procurement of small arms, such as the M4, and small-caliber ammunition.

Like the carbine competition, this study was demanded by Congress, where some members believe the Army is wedded to inferior guns and ammo.

The CNA report does not name the eight guns and producers, apparently to protect proprietary information.

The U.S. official knowledgeable about the report said gun “A” was the Army’s M4A1, an enhanced model of the basic M4.

The CNA report contains three significant graphics. In one, reliability was measured against the M4 as the baseline. Gun “C” scored 25 percent more reliable than the M4A1 and better than all others.

A second graphic shows test results for “mean rounds between failures.” This is perhaps the most important test because it shows how many shots the rifle can fire before stoppage.

Again gun “C” was by far the best, achieving more than 2,500 rounds. The M4A1 failed after 500 — a gap that can make a significant difference in battle.

This test was a measurement of Class 1 and Class 2 magazine stoppages, in which one soldier can clear the gun himself within 10 seconds or more than 10 seconds, respectively. The U.S. official said classes 1 and 2 are the most common stoppages in battle.

A third graphic shows the M4A1 performed best for Class 3 stoppages, which are more significant failures that require a specialist, or armorer, to clear.

It achieved 6,000 mean rounds between failure. Gun “C” achieved about 4,500 rounds.

The guns competing to replace the M4 were at a disadvantage, the makers said, because the Army changed the ammo at the last minute to a new cartridge, the M855A1, being sent to war.

To adjust, the vendors were given 10,000 rounds to fire. But some told CNA “they did not have enough time to evaluate the results and make changes to their weapons before the competition,” the report said.

Still, the competition results “suggest that changing the weapon itself may not produce the effects the Army was looking for,” the CNA report said.

Last summer, after over two years of evaluation, the Army called off its competition.

The M4 was not considered a competitor, but it was fired during the competition, meaning it also failed to reach the Army’s exacting goals.

The Army’s statement in June 2013 justifying the cancellation said: “No competitor demonstrated a significant improvement in weapon reliability — measured by mean rounds fired between weapon stoppage. Consistent with the program’s search for superior capability, the test for weapon reliability was exceptionally rigorous and exceeded performance experienced in a typical operational environment.”

The Army also cited a report by the Department of Defense Inspector General, who said the competition was unneeded because of improvements to the M4.

Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, fought a long battle with the Army to persuade it to look at other carbines. He said Army National Guardsmen back from the wars told him the gun was unreliable and jammed frequently. All of Mr. Coburn’s work crumbled last year when the inspector general essentially sided with the Army by giving it a justification to cancel the Improved Carbine competition.

Mr. Coburn expressed outrage in an October letter to Inspector General Jon T. Rymer, a copy of which was obtained by The Times.

He said the IG ignored the fact that the Army has not held a competition for a new rifle in more than 30 years. He said it failed to take into account test results that showed the M4 finished last in firing in extreme dust, such as that found in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“I am afraid the quality of this audit is not consistent with the standards I have seen” in other IG audits, Mr. Coburn said.

The Army has begun converting basic M4 rifles into the heavier-barreled M4A1, a gun used in the competition and originally developed for special operations troops who need continuous fire. Critics say the need for a transition proves that the conventional M4 fails too often in battle.

The Army also changed manufacturers last year. FN Manufacturing in South Carolina won a competition with Remington Arms Co. and Colt Defense, the longtime M4 maker, to make the M4A1.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/19/armys-quits-tests-after-competing-rifle-outperform/

What does corruption have to do with their military budget, thier budget is more than the rest of the world combined, let that sink in hazrat, ur syndicate is fighting for a lost cause, dont ever accuse the yanks of having budget constraints lol, they spend more on r n d of stuff they dont actually need and eventually cancel than our entire budget...
Again ask them when there media like Washington Post and others ask there Army and other forces they bring up budget and money issue I don't so ask them not me why they tell this to there media
 
I am not coming up with any made up theory M4 was outperformed even by SCAR L. Army did the trials and M4 was outperformed but they stopped the trials after that bringing cost issues and other factors


I have thought for months and did my research which you fail to do


Go bother to read media coverage of this issue by USA media every paper is told few things of not going for new Rifle one of them is cost. Ask them where they spent there 600 billion dollars budget not me

Army quits tests after competing rifle outperforms M4A1 carbine


munitions: National Guard Sgt. Larry J. Isbell fires at targets with his M4A1 carbine rifle. The Army is looking to phase out the longstanding weapon, but the potential suppliers to do so, as well as the competition results, remain shrouded ... more >
EXCLUSIVE:

A competing rifle outperformed the Army’s favored M4A1 carbine in key firings during a competition last year before the service abruptly called off the tests and stuck with its gun, according to a new confidential report.

The report also says the Army changed the ammunition midstream to a round “tailored” for the M4A1 rifle. It quoted competing companies as saying the switch was unfair because they did not have enough time to fire the new ammo and redesign their rifles before the tests began.



Exactly how the eight challengers — and the M4 — performed in a shootout to replace the M4, a soldier’s most important personal defense, has been shrouded in secrecy.

But an “official use only report” by the Center for Naval Analyses shows that one of the eight unidentified weapons outperformed the M4 on reliability and on the number of rounds fired before the most common type of failures, or stoppages, occurred, according to data obtained by The Washington Times.

The Army did not respond to The Times. At the time, the Army explained the cancellation by saying none of the eight showed a huge improvement over the M4. In the past, the Army, with an inventory of 500,000 M4s, has defended the carbine as reliable, accurate and popular among the large majority of soldiers. It has been upgraded throughout the war on terror to improve its magazine, barrel and sights.


SPONSORED CONTENT
Congress pressed the Army to hold the shootout in the face of mounting criticism from soldiers that the M4 is unreliable. The M4 is perhaps the most deployed weapon system in the war on terror — essential firepower in combating the Taliban, al Qaeda and other insurgents at close range during raids and firefights.

The Times earlier this year published a two-part series on the M4 revealing that, as the war on terror began, the carbine flunked several reliability tests when subjected to rapid fire. The Times spoke with soldiers who had used the M4 in intense combat. They said the magazine is tinny and subject to jamming. The gun itself requires constant cleaning. One Green Beret said he and his colleagues, once in theater, rebuild the gun with better parts.

The CNA report shows that one competing gun outperformed all other competitors, including the M4, on some key tests. The results show there was a potentially better gun for soldiers.

Army to say none of the weapons passed the test,” said a U.S. official critical of how the Army buys small arms. “It was true, but it was extremely misleading. They set the requirements for the mean round between failure at around 3,000 rounds. That’s extremely high.”

He added: “You had one weapon beat the pants off your incumbent, and the result of this was not to do more testing. You had the opportunity to keep working and pursuing a better weapon, and you chose not to.”

The data is contained in a broader Center for Naval Analyses (CNA) report on the military’s procurement of small arms, such as the M4, and small-caliber ammunition.

Like the carbine competition, this study was demanded by Congress, where some members believe the Army is wedded to inferior guns and ammo.

The CNA report does not name the eight guns and producers, apparently to protect proprietary information.

The U.S. official knowledgeable about the report said gun “A” was the Army’s M4A1, an enhanced model of the basic M4.

The CNA report contains three significant graphics. In one, reliability was measured against the M4 as the baseline. Gun “C” scored 25 percent more reliable than the M4A1 and better than all others.

A second graphic shows test results for “mean rounds between failures.” This is perhaps the most important test because it shows how many shots the rifle can fire before stoppage.

Again gun “C” was by far the best, achieving more than 2,500 rounds. The M4A1 failed after 500 — a gap that can make a significant difference in battle.

This test was a measurement of Class 1 and Class 2 magazine stoppages, in which one soldier can clear the gun himself within 10 seconds or more than 10 seconds, respectively. The U.S. official said classes 1 and 2 are the most common stoppages in battle.

A third graphic shows the M4A1 performed best for Class 3 stoppages, which are more significant failures that require a specialist, or armorer, to clear.

It achieved 6,000 mean rounds between failure. Gun “C” achieved about 4,500 rounds.

The guns competing to replace the M4 were at a disadvantage, the makers said, because the Army changed the ammo at the last minute to a new cartridge, the M855A1, being sent to war.

To adjust, the vendors were given 10,000 rounds to fire. But some told CNA “they did not have enough time to evaluate the results and make changes to their weapons before the competition,” the report said.

Still, the competition results “suggest that changing the weapon itself may not produce the effects the Army was looking for,” the CNA report said.

Last summer, after over two years of evaluation, the Army called off its competition.

The M4 was not considered a competitor, but it was fired during the competition, meaning it also failed to reach the Army’s exacting goals.

The Army’s statement in June 2013 justifying the cancellation said: “No competitor demonstrated a significant improvement in weapon reliability — measured by mean rounds fired between weapon stoppage. Consistent with the program’s search for superior capability, the test for weapon reliability was exceptionally rigorous and exceeded performance experienced in a typical operational environment.”

The Army also cited a report by the Department of Defense Inspector General, who said the competition was unneeded because of improvements to the M4.

Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, fought a long battle with the Army to persuade it to look at other carbines. He said Army National Guardsmen back from the wars told him the gun was unreliable and jammed frequently. All of Mr. Coburn’s work crumbled last year when the inspector general essentially sided with the Army by giving it a justification to cancel the Improved Carbine competition.

Mr. Coburn expressed outrage in an October letter to Inspector General Jon T. Rymer, a copy of which was obtained by The Times.

He said the IG ignored the fact that the Army has not held a competition for a new rifle in more than 30 years. He said it failed to take into account test results that showed the M4 finished last in firing in extreme dust, such as that found in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“I am afraid the quality of this audit is not consistent with the standards I have seen” in other IG audits, Mr. Coburn said.

The Army has begun converting basic M4 rifles into the heavier-barreled M4A1, a gun used in the competition and originally developed for special operations troops who need continuous fire. Critics say the need for a transition proves that the conventional M4 fails too often in battle.

The Army also changed manufacturers last year. FN Manufacturing in South Carolina won a competition with Remington Arms Co. and Colt Defense, the longtime M4 maker, to make the M4A1.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/19/armys-quits-tests-after-competing-rifle-outperform/
Yes the Us is a corrupt country, their generals eat up all their budget n their soldiers ride tin cans and donkeys and dont have enough to eat, their navy is comprised of a few fishing boats armed with machine guns , their airforce is a few men on gliders who throw gernades from above, their army uses pitchforks and wooden sticks, what a dispicable poor country voilated by rich generals, mery bhai i hate Us too but that doesnt mean i start day dreaming about how weak, cowardly and corrupt they are, if i did that i would be dellusional, our army n airforce is so good cause we were pals with them, wo kehte hen achay doston ke sohbat rakhni chahye, initially we learned quality, discipiline , dedication and ingenuity from them, we built up on that on our own but they initial know how cane from them..
 
Yes the Us is a corrupt country, their generals eat up all their budget n their soldiers ride tin cans and donkeys and dont have enough to eat, their navy is comprised of a few fishing boats armed with machine guns , their airforce is a few men on gliders who throw gernades from above, their army uses pitchforks and wooden sticks, what a dispicable poor country voilated by rich generals, mery bhai i hate Us too but that doesnt mean i start day dreaming about how weak, cowardly and corrupt they are, if i did that i would be dellusional, our army n airforce is so good cause we were pals with them, wo kehte hen achay doston ke sohbat rakhni chahye, initially we learned quality, discipiline , dedication and ingenuity from them, we built up on that on our own but they initial know how cane from them..
Dude if you really know How much these things cost and what there Generals and soldiers are doing in Afghanistan you would know How massively corrupt they. They have 600 billion dollars budget and many soldiers who return have a worse life than a prisoner with no money no pension nothing I wonder where they spent 600 billion dollar budget on. Many of there soldiers die on street no home a Pakistani sepoy even gets a home and pension and his children free education
 
I am not coming up with any made up theory M4 was outperformed even by SCAR L. Army did the trials and M4 was outperformed but they stopped the trials after that bringing cost issues and other factors


I have thought for months and did my research which you fail to do


Go bother to read media coverage of this issue by USA media every paper is told few things of not going for new Rifle one of them is cost. Ask them where they spent there 600 billion dollars budget not me

Army quits tests after competing rifle outperforms M4A1 carbine


munitions: National Guard Sgt. Larry J. Isbell fires at targets with his M4A1 carbine rifle. The Army is looking to phase out the longstanding weapon, but the potential suppliers to do so, as well as the competition results, remain shrouded ... more >
EXCLUSIVE:

A competing rifle outperformed the Army’s favored M4A1 carbine in key firings during a competition last year before the service abruptly called off the tests and stuck with its gun, according to a new confidential report.

The report also says the Army changed the ammunition midstream to a round “tailored” for the M4A1 rifle. It quoted competing companies as saying the switch was unfair because they did not have enough time to fire the new ammo and redesign their rifles before the tests began.



Exactly how the eight challengers — and the M4 — performed in a shootout to replace the M4, a soldier’s most important personal defense, has been shrouded in secrecy.

But an “official use only report” by the Center for Naval Analyses shows that one of the eight unidentified weapons outperformed the M4 on reliability and on the number of rounds fired before the most common type of failures, or stoppages, occurred, according to data obtained by The Washington Times.

The Army did not respond to The Times. At the time, the Army explained the cancellation by saying none of the eight showed a huge improvement over the M4. In the past, the Army, with an inventory of 500,000 M4s, has defended the carbine as reliable, accurate and popular among the large majority of soldiers. It has been upgraded throughout the war on terror to improve its magazine, barrel and sights.


SPONSORED CONTENT
Congress pressed the Army to hold the shootout in the face of mounting criticism from soldiers that the M4 is unreliable. The M4 is perhaps the most deployed weapon system in the war on terror — essential firepower in combating the Taliban, al Qaeda and other insurgents at close range during raids and firefights.

The Times earlier this year published a two-part series on the M4 revealing that, as the war on terror began, the carbine flunked several reliability tests when subjected to rapid fire. The Times spoke with soldiers who had used the M4 in intense combat. They said the magazine is tinny and subject to jamming. The gun itself requires constant cleaning. One Green Beret said he and his colleagues, once in theater, rebuild the gun with better parts.

The CNA report shows that one competing gun outperformed all other competitors, including the M4, on some key tests. The results show there was a potentially better gun for soldiers.

Army to say none of the weapons passed the test,” said a U.S. official critical of how the Army buys small arms. “It was true, but it was extremely misleading. They set the requirements for the mean round between failure at around 3,000 rounds. That’s extremely high.”

He added: “You had one weapon beat the pants off your incumbent, and the result of this was not to do more testing. You had the opportunity to keep working and pursuing a better weapon, and you chose not to.”

The data is contained in a broader Center for Naval Analyses (CNA) report on the military’s procurement of small arms, such as the M4, and small-caliber ammunition.

Like the carbine competition, this study was demanded by Congress, where some members believe the Army is wedded to inferior guns and ammo.

The CNA report does not name the eight guns and producers, apparently to protect proprietary information.

The U.S. official knowledgeable about the report said gun “A” was the Army’s M4A1, an enhanced model of the basic M4.

The CNA report contains three significant graphics. In one, reliability was measured against the M4 as the baseline. Gun “C” scored 25 percent more reliable than the M4A1 and better than all others.

A second graphic shows test results for “mean rounds between failures.” This is perhaps the most important test because it shows how many shots the rifle can fire before stoppage.

Again gun “C” was by far the best, achieving more than 2,500 rounds. The M4A1 failed after 500 — a gap that can make a significant difference in battle.

This test was a measurement of Class 1 and Class 2 magazine stoppages, in which one soldier can clear the gun himself within 10 seconds or more than 10 seconds, respectively. The U.S. official said classes 1 and 2 are the most common stoppages in battle.

A third graphic shows the M4A1 performed best for Class 3 stoppages, which are more significant failures that require a specialist, or armorer, to clear.

It achieved 6,000 mean rounds between failure. Gun “C” achieved about 4,500 rounds.

The guns competing to replace the M4 were at a disadvantage, the makers said, because the Army changed the ammo at the last minute to a new cartridge, the M855A1, being sent to war.

To adjust, the vendors were given 10,000 rounds to fire. But some told CNA “they did not have enough time to evaluate the results and make changes to their weapons before the competition,” the report said.

Still, the competition results “suggest that changing the weapon itself may not produce the effects the Army was looking for,” the CNA report said.

Last summer, after over two years of evaluation, the Army called off its competition.

The M4 was not considered a competitor, but it was fired during the competition, meaning it also failed to reach the Army’s exacting goals.

The Army’s statement in June 2013 justifying the cancellation said: “No competitor demonstrated a significant improvement in weapon reliability — measured by mean rounds fired between weapon stoppage. Consistent with the program’s search for superior capability, the test for weapon reliability was exceptionally rigorous and exceeded performance experienced in a typical operational environment.”

The Army also cited a report by the Department of Defense Inspector General, who said the competition was unneeded because of improvements to the M4.

Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, fought a long battle with the Army to persuade it to look at other carbines. He said Army National Guardsmen back from the wars told him the gun was unreliable and jammed frequently. All of Mr. Coburn’s work crumbled last year when the inspector general essentially sided with the Army by giving it a justification to cancel the Improved Carbine competition.

Mr. Coburn expressed outrage in an October letter to Inspector General Jon T. Rymer, a copy of which was obtained by The Times.

He said the IG ignored the fact that the Army has not held a competition for a new rifle in more than 30 years. He said it failed to take into account test results that showed the M4 finished last in firing in extreme dust, such as that found in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“I am afraid the quality of this audit is not consistent with the standards I have seen” in other IG audits, Mr. Coburn said.

The Army has begun converting basic M4 rifles into the heavier-barreled M4A1, a gun used in the competition and originally developed for special operations troops who need continuous fire. Critics say the need for a transition proves that the conventional M4 fails too often in battle.

The Army also changed manufacturers last year. FN Manufacturing in South Carolina won a competition with Remington Arms Co. and Colt Defense, the longtime M4 maker, to make the M4A1.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/19/armys-quits-tests-after-competing-rifle-outperform/


Again ask them when there media like Washington Post and others ask there Army and other forces they bring up budget and money issue I don't so ask them not me why they tell this to there media

Really Hazrat?? This article wins your argument? This explains nothing and I mean nothing about what i asked you. This is from 2014 and it talks about Army testing which has not gone any further than mentioned.

Hazrat I asked about SCAR being used by US spec ops from 2004-2009~ This article is from 2014 and once again there is NO mention of why US spec ops ditched SCAR!!!

US spec ops and US Army are two different entities I hope you realise that? One is special forces the other is regular soldiers.

In the whole article it mentions FN manufacturing and you jumped for joy which has no detail what it entails secondly it won a joint competition with Remington, there is NO mention of SCAR!!!

Hazrat who are you trying to fool. 2004-2009~ is as same as 2014???? really? Regular army is Spec Ops now?
 
U.S. Army Kills Rifle Replacement Program After Competitor Bests Existing M4A1

Over the last couple years, the U.S. Army has been holding the Individual Carbine competition — a program designed to evaluate if the M4A1 rifle is still the best firearm for our soldiers over 50 years after its introduction, or if there is anything better out there. The project has been under fire from the start, and they canned the competition back in June of last year claiming that everyone failed to meet the specifications. According to new information acquired by the Washington Times, it sounds like that decision to cancel the project may have been for other reasons . . .

A competing rifle outperformed the Army’s favored M4A1 carbine in key firings during a competition last year before the service abruptly called off the tests and stuck with its gun, according to a new confidential report.

The report also says the Army changed the ammunition midstream to a round “tailored” for the M4A1 rifle. It quoted competing companies as saying the switch was unfair because they did not have enough time to fire the new ammo and redesign their rifles before the tests began.

Exactly how the eight challengers — and the M4 — performed in a shootout to replace the M4, a soldier’s most important personal defense, has been shrouded in secrecy.

But an “official use only report” by the Center for Naval Analyses shows that one of the eight unidentified weapons outperformed the M4 on reliability and on the number of rounds fired before the most common type of failures, or stoppages, occurred, according to data obtained by The Washington Times.

There’s little doubt that the Army is reluctant to switch to another platform. The sheer cost of transitioning the armed forces to a new firearm platform would be astronomical, not to mention the training requirements for both the individual soldiers and the armorers. But the more that comes out about how the competition is being run, the more it sounds like the Army set the bar so high that it was impossible for anyone to meet — and even then, one gun came close.

As for the manufacturer of the rifle that came closest to passing, there is no official word and no one is willing to talk about it. But I think I have a pretty good idea who it is.
 
U.S. Army Kills Rifle Replacement Program After Competitor Bests Existing M4A1

Over the last couple years, the U.S. Army has been holding the Individual Carbine competition — a program designed to evaluate if the M4A1 rifle is still the best firearm for our soldiers over 50 years after its introduction, or if there is anything better out there. The project has been under fire from the start, and they canned the competition back in June of last year claiming that everyone failed to meet the specifications. According to new information acquired by the Washington Times, it sounds like that decision to cancel the project may have been for other reasons . . .

A competing rifle outperformed the Army’s favored M4A1 carbine in key firings during a competition last year before the service abruptly called off the tests and stuck with its gun, according to a new confidential report.

The report also says the Army changed the ammunition midstream to a round “tailored” for the M4A1 rifle. It quoted competing companies as saying the switch was unfair because they did not have enough time to fire the new ammo and redesign their rifles before the tests began.

Exactly how the eight challengers — and the M4 — performed in a shootout to replace the M4, a soldier’s most important personal defense, has been shrouded in secrecy.

But an “official use only report” by the Center for Naval Analyses shows that one of the eight unidentified weapons outperformed the M4 on reliability and on the number of rounds fired before the most common type of failures, or stoppages, occurred, according to data obtained by The Washington Times.

There’s little doubt that the Army is reluctant to switch to another platform. The sheer cost of transitioning the armed forces to a new firearm platform would be astronomical, not to mention the training requirements for both the individual soldiers and the armorers. But the more that comes out about how the competition is being run, the more it sounds like the Army set the bar so high that it was impossible for anyone to meet — and even then, one gun came close.

As for the manufacturer of the rifle that came closest to passing, there is no official word and no one is willing to talk about it. But I think I have a pretty good idea who it is.

there is a HEAVY tilt towards HK416 that much is confirmed NOT SCAR! SCAR is not in the picture but HK416 is.
 
Dude if you really know How much these things cost and what there Generals and soldiers are doing in Afghanistan you would know How massively corrupt they. They have 600 billion dollars budget and many soldiers who return have a worse life than a prisoner with no money no pension nothing I wonder where they spent 600 billion dollar budget on. Many of there soldiers die on street no home a Pakistani sepoy even gets a home and pension and his children free education
What are u urguing about, corruption is everywhere, specially in warzones, doesnt stop them from bieng one of the most well equipped militaries on earth, im not talking about effectivenes, im talking about their equipment, and those drugs ur talking about was one of the american objectives in war on afghanistan to restore afgan drug supply to the Us of which they make billions..
 
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Cabinet approves agenda items related to defence, aviation, health sectors:

ISLAMABAD, April 12 (APP): The Federal Cabinet Wednesday approved a number of agenda items, enhancing cooperation and agreements between Pakistan and other countries in the field of aviation, defence, interior, health, law and others.
The meeting, chaired by Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif, accorded its approval to a number of agenda items placed before it.
The Cabinet also confirmed/approved decisions taken by the Economic Co-ordination Committee (ECC) of the Cabinet in its different meetings, according to PM office media wing in a press release.
The agenda items approved in the meetings included agenda for technical cooperation between Pakistan Meteorological Department (PMD) and Sultan Qaboos University (SQU) HV, Oman Regarding Tsunami Early Warning System (TEWS). (Aviation Division): Cooperation in the field of meteorology between Pakistan Meteorological Department & Meteo-France. (Aviation Division)
The Cabinet approved, in principle, to negotiate the draft Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on defence cooperation between Government of the Republic of Kenya and Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. (Defence Division)
Signing of statement of Intent in the Field of Research and Cooperative Activities between the Geneva Centre for Security Policy, Switzerland and the National Defence University, Pakistan.(Defence Division)
The Cabinet approved, in principle, to start negotiations on draft MoU between Ministry of Defence Government of Czech Republic and Ministry of Defence Production Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, concerning cooperation in the field of defence industry and logistics. (Defence Production Division)
The Cabinet also approved in principle to start negotiations on Visa Abolition Agreement between the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the Republic of Cuba for diplomatic, official and service passport holders. (Interior Division)
Initiation of negotiations on a draft MoU between the Ministry of Interior and Narcotics Control of Pakistan and Ministry of Justice and Public Security of Norway on cooperation in combating crime. (Interior Division)
Signing of negotiated draft Visa Abolition Agreement between Government of the Republic of Pakistan and the Government of Jordan for the holders of diplomatic and Official passport. (Interior Division)
Signing of agreement between Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the Government of Bulgaria on Abolition of Visa for diplomatic and service/official passport holders. (Interior Division)
Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for strengthening cooperation in the area of anti-corruption between the National Accountability Bureau, Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan (the NAB) and the Ministry of Supervision, Government of the People’s Republic of China (the Ministry); ratification of the Cabinet. (Law & Justice Division)
To start negotiations and sharing of the counter draft MoU on Agricultural Cooperation with the Kingdom of Thailand. (National Food Security and Research Division)
Initiating negotiations on the Memorandum of Cooperation for the Development of Mechanism to Combat Drug Related Crimes between the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Anti Narcotics Force. (Narcotics Control Division)
Initiating negotiations on the Memorandum of Cooperation for the Development of Mechanism to Combat Drug Related Crimes between the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Anti Narcotics Force. (Narcotics Control Division).
Ratification of the Cabinet for Signing of MoU between Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan with Government of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka on cooperation in the field of Health and Medicine. (National Health Services, Regulation and Coordination Division).
Signing of MoU between Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and Islamic Republic of Pakistan for mutual cooperation in the field of health services, medical education, research, drug and medical technology. (National Health Services, Regulation and Coordination Division).
The Cabinet also confirmed/approved decisions taken by the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the Cabinet in its meeting held on February 13 (Cabinet Division).
The Cabinet in its meeting further approved ratification of the decisions taken by the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the Cabinet in its meetings held on February 22, March 28, (Cabinet Division).
It also included ratification of the Cabinet to the Recommendation of the Cabinet Committee for Disposal of Legislative cases, held on March 22 and April 10 (Cabinet Division).

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The Cabinet approved, in principle, to start negotiations on draft MoU between Ministry of Defence Government of Czech Republic and Ministry of Defence Production Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, concerning cooperation in the field of defence industry and logistics. (Defence Production Division)

http://www.app.com.pk/cabinet-approves-agenda-items-related-to-defence-aviation-health-sectors/

LOLZ!!

I see that you have already posted that "relevant" part sir. THANK YOU.
 
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Cabinet approves agenda items related to defence, aviation, health sectors:

ISLAMABAD, April 12 (APP): The Federal Cabinet Wednesday approved a number of agenda items, enhancing cooperation and agreements between Pakistan and other countries in the field of aviation, defence, interior, health, law and others.
The meeting, chaired by Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif, accorded its approval to a number of agenda items placed before it.
The Cabinet also confirmed/approved decisions taken by the Economic Co-ordination Committee (ECC) of the Cabinet in its different meetings, according to PM office media wing in a press release.
The agenda items approved in the meetings included agenda for technical cooperation between Pakistan Meteorological Department (PMD) and Sultan Qaboos University (SQU) HV, Oman Regarding Tsunami Early Warning System (TEWS). (Aviation Division): Cooperation in the field of meteorology between Pakistan Meteorological Department & Meteo-France. (Aviation Division)
The Cabinet approved, in principle, to negotiate the draft Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on defence cooperation between Government of the Republic of Kenya and Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. (Defence Division)
Signing of statement of Intent in the Field of Research and Cooperative Activities between the Geneva Centre for Security Policy, Switzerland and the National Defence University, Pakistan.(Defence Division)
The Cabinet approved, in principle, to start negotiations on draft MoU between Ministry of Defence Government of Czech Republic and Ministry of Defence Production Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, concerning cooperation in the field of defence industry and logistics. (Defence Production Division)
The Cabinet also approved in principle to start negotiations on Visa Abolition Agreement between the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the Republic of Cuba for diplomatic, official and service passport holders. (Interior Division)
Initiation of negotiations on a draft MoU between the Ministry of Interior and Narcotics Control of Pakistan and Ministry of Justice and Public Security of Norway on cooperation in combating crime. (Interior Division)
Signing of negotiated draft Visa Abolition Agreement between Government of the Republic of Pakistan and the Government of Jordan for the holders of diplomatic and Official passport. (Interior Division)
Signing of agreement between Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the Government of Bulgaria on Abolition of Visa for diplomatic and service/official passport holders. (Interior Division)
Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for strengthening cooperation in the area of anti-corruption between the National Accountability Bureau, Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan (the NAB) and the Ministry of Supervision, Government of the People’s Republic of China (the Ministry); ratification of the Cabinet. (Law & Justice Division)
To start negotiations and sharing of the counter draft MoU on Agricultural Cooperation with the Kingdom of Thailand. (National Food Security and Research Division)
Initiating negotiations on the Memorandum of Cooperation for the Development of Mechanism to Combat Drug Related Crimes between the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Anti Narcotics Force. (Narcotics Control Division)
Initiating negotiations on the Memorandum of Cooperation for the Development of Mechanism to Combat Drug Related Crimes between the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Anti Narcotics Force. (Narcotics Control Division).
Ratification of the Cabinet for Signing of MoU between Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan with Government of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka on cooperation in the field of Health and Medicine. (National Health Services, Regulation and Coordination Division).
Signing of MoU between Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and Islamic Republic of Pakistan for mutual cooperation in the field of health services, medical education, research, drug and medical technology. (National Health Services, Regulation and Coordination Division).
The Cabinet also confirmed/approved decisions taken by the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the Cabinet in its meeting held on February 13 (Cabinet Division).
The Cabinet in its meeting further approved ratification of the decisions taken by the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the Cabinet in its meetings held on February 22, March 28, (Cabinet Division).
It also included ratification of the Cabinet to the Recommendation of the Cabinet Committee for Disposal of Legislative cases, held on March 22 and April 10 (Cabinet Division).


LOLZ!!

I see that you have already posted that "relevant" part sir. THANK YOU.
What can one make of that? :unsure:
 
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