Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Money is sure a problem. We may have funds set aside for the gun procurement but you know that the idea of saving some of those to be spend on some other project can be lucrative. It is not like we have billions we are looking to throw around. This is the reason I feel that money too will be a point to consider and given the gun is performing OK as per our requirement and is coming cheap we may very well consider going with that. For me CZ BERN may be that option and you rightly point out to MPT-76. The other main thing that will be considered will be the side benefits. Who will allow us to manufacture this at POF and then who will allow us to export it as well. Who will offer POF to be a registered supplier of their gun or gun parts. These are purely business decisions and these all will have their say in the final decision.

I feel as though CZ - as well as other hopefuls - would need to show how rapid their iterative cycle is in order to really have a good shot at bagging the Army's order. The SCAR hype is certainly coming from somewhere, otherwise the Army could have just not let it stick around this long. But if CZ can give us an improved make of their design during the trials, then things could get very interesting.

 

[Arsalan]

Did we receive the CZ Bren 7.62 NATO variant? I've never seen one.

BERN is participating. Have been evaluated and have got good reviews as well.

 

[RAMPAGE]

BERN is participating. Have been evaluated and have got good reviews as well.

Of course it has but it was participating in the 7.62x39 trials. We have seen every rifle participating in the 7.62x51 trials and CZ Bren in not among them.

 

[Arsalan]

Of course it has but it was participating in the 7.62x39 trials. We have seen every rifle participating in the 7.62x51 trials and CZ Bren in not among them.

Yeah i am also not aware of 7.62 x 51 participation by CZ either.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Yeah i am also not aware of 7.62 x 51 participation by CZ either.

A pity though.

 

[Arsalan]

A pity though.

Indeed. Wait i will check this now just to be sure.

 

[Zarvan]

Those who think money is the issue either has no idea what Army thinks or does. Pakistan would have never started trials if they were not sure about the money. Idea for replacing G3 are 10 to 15 years old but we didn't trials than but now we are doing this and we have the money. As for TOT all companies are offering TOT only AK-103 is little doubtful

I feel as though CZ - as well as other hopefuls - would need to show how rapid their iterative cycle is in order to really have a good shot at bagging the Army's order. The SCAR hype is certainly coming from somewhere, otherwise the Army could have just not let it stick around this long. But if CZ can give us an improved make of their design during the trials, then things could get very interesting.

SCAR is not the hype but fact I have talked to several soldiers and all say SCAR is leading but Pakistan is also rethinking about which caliber suits us. Question is between 7.62 X 51 and 7.62 X 39. Trials are getting longer because Navy and Air Force are now also testing these Rifles

BREN is here with 7.62 X 39 not 7.62 X 51

 

[Zarvan]

 

[RAMPAGE]

Interesting to note here that both the upper and lower receivers of Beretta ARX-200 are made of polymer. I wonder if that would be too unconventional for PA. I'm sure we'll all like to know how well it has been handling the abuse.

@balixd @Arsalan

 

[Army research]

Interesting to note here that both the upper and lower receivers of Beretta ARX-200 are made of polymer. I wonder if that would be too unconventional for PA. I'm sure we'll all like to know how well it has been handling the abuse.

@balixd @Arsalan

If the package is attractive then we'll likely modify and make a version suitable for us and most likely export to countries who need our type of guns

 

[Arsalan]

Interesting to note here that both the upper and lower receivers of Beretta ARX-200 are made of polymer. I wonder if that would be too unconventional for PA. I'm sure we'll all like to know how well it has been handling the abuse.

@balixd @Arsalan

And how will the fare in our environment!!

Anyway, i wont be too much worried about it as these are the things those field trails are all about.

Interesting to note here that both the upper and lower receivers of Beretta ARX-200 are made of polymer. I wonder if that would be too unconventional for PA. I'm sure we'll all like to know how well it has been handling the abuse.

@balixd @Arsalan

And how will the fare in our environment!!

Anyway, i wont be too much worried about it as these are the things those field trails are all about.

 

[RAMPAGE]

And how will the fare in our environment!!

Anyway, i wont be too much worried about it as these are the things those field trails are all about.


And how will the fare in our environment!!

Anyway, i wont be too much worried about it as these are the things those field trails are all about.

Not worried, just curious. The only polymer standard rifle I know of is IWI Tavor.

 

[Zarvan]

Polymer won't be much of a problem technology has advanced and developing stronger polymer which can handle and survive in worst weather conditions should not be the problem. By the way what I remember is that @balixd said that SCAR and Berreta are performing best in trials

 

[That Guy]

Polymer won't be much of a problem technology has advanced and developing stronger polymer which can handle and survive in worst weather conditions should not be the problem. By the way what I remember is that @balixd said that SCAR and Berreta are performing best in trials

So I was right that Berretta was performing well.

 

[Zarvan]

So I was right that Berretta was performing well.