What's new

Pakistan’s Secret Guest: Why Neighbors Doubt Terrorism Fight

Status
Not open for further replies.
I hope our army generals stop our use of "Assets" and focus more on how Pakistan can become a better economy if we stop our strategic depth plan and stop funding/hiding/training terrorists and mobsters.
This would not only lead to a natural reduction in crime rate but better law and order would = more FDI = more $$$ which would directly benefit the Army too in form of more resources. This is what India has done and this is why they're better off than us and a more powerful regional player.
But then again, if what the business man says is true and that Dawood hasn't done anything illegal in Pakistan, the only chance of him being handed over to India is if they ask us (and I hope someone knocks some sense into our power hungry top intel leadership to improve diplomacy with India).
As considering what he's done, I'm all for handing over Dawood Ibrahim and Hafiz Saeed to India, as long as they agree to stop funding the Baloch insurgency (fair trade IMO).
Stopping the use of strategic assets by the Army (if they even do that anymore) alone won't do much because the terrorists have dozens upon dozens of ways of getting funding. They have proxy warriors like India, they have drug dealers and smuggling rings, they have the support of many Mullahs and they also have other militant groups through which they can procure weapons.

It's a whole network that needs to be systematically destroyed, starting from their hideouts in Waziristan (already ongoing) and their mullah supporters in the cities.
 
.
Pakistan has always shown duplicity when dealing with CIA when it came to their strategic assets. However, one needs to appreciate their recent stand against them.

Having said that, success will depend on how much Pak Military shows commitment in this regard. Decades of indoctrination has produced generations of violent and disillusioned citizens for which a sustained effort is required.

Lets hope the pak ciVil-military takes sustained measures for the sake of their own kids if not for mere appearances.
Hi,
For the love of GOD, youre not expecting that CIA to be saint or has not double crossed us. Are you?
If you think otherwise, then i suggest now is the time to move beyond your American mentality and look around.

I can see you have much to learn
 
Last edited:
.
Hi,
For the love of GOD, youre not expecting that CIA is saint or has not double crossed us are you?
If you think otherwise, then i suggest now is the time to move beyond your American mentality and look around.

I can see you have much potential to learn
True, CIA double-crossed everyone it came across. It used to support Saddam Hussein, for example. Then they destroyed him. Same with the Taliban, they created them, then invaded them and now they even had the nerve to openly differentiate between good Taliban and bad Taliban.

CIA and the US's hypocrisy is unprecedented.
 
.
True, CIA double-crossed everyone it came across. It used to support Saddam Hussein, for example. Then they destroyed him. Same with the Taliban, they created them, then invaded them and now they even had the nerve to openly differentiate between good Taliban and bad Taliban.

CIA and the US's hypocrisy is unprecedented.
Hi,

this So called hypocrisy comes naturally to us from CIA, After all we worked with them during cold war, they trained us, and this motto of theirs, i.e.. just look after your national interests! So whats so bad about it eh ?

I cant seem to find the link for a piece of news which said that USa will not target Talibunies no more, just when we needed extra punch to flush em out the Nation of DO MORE backs out like a coward
 
.
. .
By Tom Lasseter Dec 25, 2014


Source: AP India's most wanted man, Dawood Ibrahim, poses for photos in this undated photo at an unknown location.

When last seen in public some 25 years ago, Dawood Ibrahim was a chubby man with oversized sunglasses and a droopy mustache. His fondness for betting on cricket matches and keeping company with Indian movie stars has attracted police investigations and tabloid headlines.

Ibrahim is also one of India’s most-wanted terrorists. He’s linked to bombings that killed hundreds of innocent men and women in his native country. India and the U.S. accuse him of financing Pakistani militants who killed hundreds more, as well as brokering a deal with al-Qaeda to allow the group access to his smuggling routes.

And all available evidence culled from accounts on the ground in India and Pakistan, buttressed by reports from the U.S. and United Nations, point to one conclusion: Ibrahim is living in Pakistan.

Just as Osama bin Laden’s death at a house down the road from the Pakistan Military Academy set off fierce debate about the nation’s commitment to fighting terrorism, Ibrahim has become a symbol of why Pakistan’s neighbors often don’t take its public statements about uprooting militants seriously.

The cost of that reluctance was underlined in blood last week when Pakistani Taliban militants murdered 152 people, including 134 children, in the nation’s northwest city of Peshawar. In the aftermath of that slaughter, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif vowed to wipe out every last terrorist from Pakistani soil.


Photographer: Asim Hafeez/Bloomberg
A traffic police officer stands and directs traffic through the streets of Karachi, Pakistan.

There are no indications that Ibrahim, thought by police to be 58 years old, had anything to do with the carnage in Peshawar. In fact, officials in Islamabad insist, as they did with bin Laden, that he isn’t in their country at all.

‘No Information’

“Pakistan has no information about his whereabouts,” Tasnim Aslam Khan, a foreign ministry spokeswoman in the capital, said by phone on Dec. 20. Switching between Urdu and the lightly-accented, crisp English of her country’s elite, she continued: “He’s an Indian national. Sometimes we hear he’s in Bangkok, and sometimes elsewhere.” Maj. General Asim Bajwa, chief spokesman for Pakistan’s military, didn’t respond to text messages or an e-mail seeking comment.

Ibrahim’s story personifies the violent and, often, shadowy nature of relations between India and Pakistan, which together hold about a fifth of the world’s people. The two nations were cleaved from one another by physical partition when British colonial rule ended in 1947, leaving hundreds of thousands dead just eight years before Ibrahim’s birth. The region now contains a tempest of corrupt officials, religious zealots and competing business interests that can be unpredictable -- men who pull triggers for you today can turn their guns back on you tomorrow.


Photographer: Dhiraj Singh/Bloomberg
Pedestrians cross a road in the Dharavi slum area of Mumbai, India.

Simply ‘Dawood’

The son of a Mumbai police constable, Ibrahim worked his way up from smalltime street thug to the city’s most powerful gang leader. Police in Mumbai say that he ran a protection and smuggling racket before moving to Dubai in the 1980s. He is known to readers of Indian newspapers simply as “Dawood,” a main inspiration for the Mafioso archetype in Bollywood films.

A former aide of Ibrahim, wearing a fat diamond and ruby ring on his finger, said his old boss had a taste for expensive cigarettes, nice cars and Italian suits. These days, he said, Ibrahim can’t travel as far as he used to.

Photographs of Ibrahim, whose full name is Dawood Ibrahim Kaskar, are easily accessible on the Internet. Despite facing criminal charges from India, standing accused by the U.S. and the UN of terrorist activities, and being listed by Interpol, Ibrahim remains free -- and thought to be not far from his hometown.

Karachi Homes

The alleged mass murderer has long done business in Karachi, a Pakistani megacity that like Mumbai sits on the Arabian Sea. The twin metropolises are some 540 miles from one another on the same coastline, roughly the distance of a quick flight from New York to Charlotte, North Carolina. Ibrahim’s presence there, complete with stories of large homes and lavish parties, was confirmed byBloomberg News in conversations this year with a half dozen past associates and witnesses in Karachi and Mumbai, as well as Indian officials. Many asked not to be identified due to fears about their personal safety.

For Indians, the suggestion that they’re still in touch with a man seen by law enforcement as something of a Judas figure -- the son of a cop who betrayed his own country -- could bring trouble. The same is true in Pakistan, where confirming his presence contradicts the official line and might cause an unwelcome visit from intelligence agencies. And then there’s always the risk of offending the man himself.

U.S. Sanctions

As India and the U.S. made political overtures this past year to mend a relationship that had drifted, part of the rapprochement included renewed efforts to squeeze Ibrahim.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and U.S. President Barack Obama, the leaders of the world’s two largest democracies, issued a statement after a September summit in Washington, D.C. that listed Ibrahim’s organization, known as D Company, among those for which they would seek to jointly “disrupt all financial and tactical support.”

D Company was named a “significant foreign narcotics trafficker” in 2006 under a U.S. anti-narcotics kingpin law. A 2010 Congressional Research Service report said that D Company’s business model includes smuggling humans and money, and selling drugs -- pointing to it as “an example of the criminal-terrorism ‘fusion’ model.”

Indian officials accuse Ibrahim of helping mastermind a dozen bombings and grenade attacks that ripped through Mumbai in March 1993, killing 257 people and wounding 713 in one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in the nation’s history.

Pakistani Passports

After that onslaught, according to U.S. Treasury and UN reports, Ibrahim doled out cash to Lashkar-e-Taiba. The outlawed militant organization is based in Pakistan and opposes India’s presence in Kashmir, a region divided between India and Pakistan and claimed by both. A senior Lashkar-e-Taiba member used money from Ibrahim to “facilitate the July 2006 train bombing in Mumbai,” the UN said in a 2009 report. Those seven blasts left 187 dead and 829 injured. The group also stands accused of carrying out a 2008 commando-style assault on Mumbai that killed 174 people.

The U.S. Treasury has published passport numbers for Ibrahim, including two issued by Pakistan’s government. The U.S. and UN listed addresses in Pakistan that correspond to a series of villas in Karachi and Islamabad obscured by high walls. A street near one was blocked by guards earlier this year. Two trucks of gunmen sat close to another. Business cards left on outer gates didn’t result in calls back.

Policeman’s Son

Retired Lt. General Hamid Gul, who headed Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency for a period in the 1980s and said that he became “very popular with the jihadis,” claimed Ibrahim was “probably not involved” in the 1993 Mumbai bombings. He said there was no connection between the agency, known as ISI, and Ibrahim.

As for Ibrahim’s whereabouts, Gul, dressed in a blue cardigan sweater and gray blazer, shrugged. “I don’t know about him,” he said in a February meeting in Islamabad. “They say that he’s in Karachi.”

At Ibrahim’s old south Mumbai neighborhood of Dongri, cramped restaurants sell bone marrow soup and mosques sit among shops selling Korans and bedazzled iPhone covers. One of his brothers, Iqbal Kaskar, still lives up a dim flight of stairs nearby, a location confirmed by a family lawyer. He didn’t respond to requests for comment.

As Ibrahim’s gang rose first in Muslim quarters and then across the city, it maintained cordial ties with the police, said Shamim Hava, a mining businessman involved in regional politics who grew up in the area. “Because his father was a policeman,” he said, “they always had a soft spot for him.”

Spy Agency

Shamsher Khan Pathan, a cop who worked Ibrahim’s neighborhood in the 1980s and retired as assistant commissioner of police for Mumbai in 2012, gave a different reason for why men in uniform left Ibrahim and his men alone: “Money.”

Ibrahim first established a relationship with Pakistan’s ISI spy agency while building his smuggling operations for consumer goods, then gold and finally drugs, according to Indian security officials.

ISI operates as an empire unto itself in Pakistan, beyond the control of any civilian authority. It smoothed the way for Ibrahim to make illegal shipments in the region, said Gopal K. Pillai, who helped oversee security and intelligence agencies as India’s home secretary from 2009 to 2011.

That bond grew tighter as Ibrahim spent time in Dubai, where criminals, businessmen and spies from across the region had space to mix in a murky underworld, Pillai said in a meeting in Delhi late last year.

“Everybody plays one way, two ways, three ways -- and at the end you don’t know what really is the truth,” Pillai said. “But it’s a game which everybody plays. So, he got into that.”

Mumbai Bombings

In December of 1992, a crowd of Hindu nationalists tore down a mosque in northern India. Riots followed between rampaging mobs of Hindus and Muslims that month and the next. Hundreds of people were killed in Mumbai, the majority of them Muslim. Ibrahim was watching.

“He was angry and he was frustrated and he wanted to do something,” said Rakesh Maria, Mumbai’s police commissioner, who has worked in counter-terrorism and made taking down Ibrahim a life’s ambition. “This is where these people, ISI, came into the picture.”

No one interviewed about Ibrahim described him as being a religious ideologue. They attributed his role in the 1993 bombings in varying degrees to a desire for revenge after the bloodshed in Mumbai and the ISI sensing an opportunity to exploit him to strike an old foe. Current and former Indian officials presented Ibrahim’s relationship with the ISI as one of mutual convenience: The spy agency gave safe haven for him personally as well as his broader criminal network, with Ibrahim in return offering financial backing and logistical support to ISI-backed militant groups.

Guns, Grenades

Confessions showed that those picked up after the attacks were tutored in bomb-making and “handling of sophisticated automatic weapons like AK-56 Rifles and handling of hand grenades in Pakistan,” the Supreme Court of India wrote in a 2013 judgment reviewing death sentences for men involved in the bombings. The training circuit, the court said, was “organized and methodically carried out by Dawood Ibrahim” and others.

U.S. officials have kept tabs on Ibrahim over the years, according to diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks in 2010. One document details a 2004 meeting with an anti-money laundering official in the United Arab Emirates to discuss Ibrahim; another notes allegations that same year of his links with an Islamist group in Indonesia; and a 2009 cable mentions his alleged links to drug trafficking inMozambique.

‘Global Terrorist’

When answering questions about Ibrahim, U.S. officials are cautious. The U.S. gave Pakistan about $26 billion in overt aid and military reimbursements between 2001 and 2013 even as American drones killed suspected terrorists in the country.

Although the U.S. Treasury named Ibrahim a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” in 2003 and listed known addresses for him in Karachi, American officials never publicly demanded that Pakistan hand him over.

Asked about Ibrahim earlier this year, the U.S. embassy in Islamabad sent a statement grouping him with Hafiz Saeed, a Pakistan resident who helped create Lashkar-e-Taiba, the militant outfit that Ibrahim allegedly funded. “We encourage the Government of Pakistan to enforce the sanctions against these individuals,” said the statement. The embassy said in October it had nothing to add.

Legitimate Businessman

Last month, Indian Home Minister Rajnath Singh told a conference in New Delhi that Ibrahim had been moved to Pakistan’s border region with Afghanistan after increased diplomatic pressure to have him extradited.

While Ibrahim’s exact address in Pakistan isn’t known, his past wheeling-and-dealing in Karachi left a trail.

Some around the world consider Ibrahim a terrorist, but in Pakistan he’s a legitimate businessman, said a top real estate broker in Karachi, between sips of tea in the lobby of the city’s Marriott.

Ibrahim invests in residential projects and undeveloped plots of land, said the broker, who wore sunglasses indoors and added that he’s advised Ibrahim on past ventures. The money is routed through proxies and the transactions are perfectly legal, he said, adding that Ibrahim hasn’t done anything wrong in Pakistan.

In 2005, Ibrahim’s daughter married the son of famous retired Pakistani cricket player Javed Miandad. News of a ceremony held by Ibrahim’s family in Dubai was splashed across headlines in India. The patriarch apparently didn’t show up.

Seaside Wedding

Miandad’s family later held a quieter function at a hotel in Karachi with a guest list that included Imran Khan, a former captain of Pakistan’s national cricket team and now a top opposition politician.

“Believe me, I never saw Dawood Ibrahim there,” Khan said in an interview. Miandad declined to discuss Ibrahim.

As recently as 2011, Ibrahim hosted a wedding event in Karachi for his son, according to one of the city’s wealthiest businessmen, who attended. The proud father and accused terrorist greeted guests at the wedding hall, decorated by billowing white tent roofs near the Arabian Sea. The site the businessmen named isn’t far from a McDonald’s and a beach-side shopping mall in Pakistan’s financial capital.

Although Ibrahim couldn’t arrange the family event in his hometown of Mumbai, there, under the skies of Karachi, he was safe. For Pakistan’s neighbors, that’s the problem.

Pakistan’s Secret Guest: Why Neighbors Doubt Terrorism Fight - Bloomberg
You must...! Right now, the only things Pakistanis hear is derisive laughter.......



Ya...but the article isn't something that Indian news agencies put out, this is guaranteed to make your desired diplomatic push against India fall flat when opinion makers in those countries read this.

Pakistan’s Secret Guest: Why Neighbors Doubt Terrorism Fight - Businessweek
Pakistan's secret guest one of India's most-wanted - Chicago Tribune
All of a sudden US media is escalating this issue of Dawood & his safe refuge in Pakistan. Not sure if it's sheer coincidence or part of the deal from US side to highlight this consistently to put pressure on Pakistan. Pakistan is not going to let Dawood go that easy as long as he serves their purpose. Even if that's not the case... handing him over to India would mean massive embarrassment for Pakistani govt & it's security agencies. They would rather eliminate him than hand him over to India.. & I think that's what will happen eventually!
 
.
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom