Pakistan's Pride, Enemy's Envy

[Raider 21]

You hope that happens
But imo in a real war you Pakistanis will get found out

Your lack of resources will show big time
Not enough spares
Actual combat ready planes are much lower than you let on.
You will run out of fuel money and spares very quickly
And the strategic depth or lack of this will mean you have no where to hide or treat .

You just can't do anything on your current military budget.

But you banking on a f16 you call your pride and enemy's envy to keep you away from total loss of a air war in days. Yet we know trump will sanction spares so nobody knows your real service levels of USA warplanes now .

It's all down to your thunders now

If F-16s were not a worry to the Indian government then I don't think they would've made noises when Pakistani government orders 8 brand new Vipers or 13 third hand Vipers. They always loose their minds. 250 Su-30s are a powerful force....no doubt about that.

 

[litman]

the belivers fightin the case of allah and the non belivers fightin the case of tagut..

you say innocent.. and say cant defent themselves.. the ppl you are talking about are the one who destroyed the last khilafah they faught for the brits and the other kuffar against the khilafah.. you really wonder why they got so much beaten up and humilated infront of the whole world.. they only cry for your help and do the muslim show to get their own nationalistic arab palestine? its not a matter of muslims.. we should make this a matter of muslims and that would include that it should be the property of muslims and not just given away for pan arab dreams.. Mekka and medina should be made like vatikan a own state wich is controlled by muslims and not as a kuffar investment market to make money ..

pakistan turkey indonesia azerbaycan should work much more together you can get qatar, tunesia and marocco and some african states together wich are not destructive that should be the main focus

by the way.. pakistan did very well with jf17 .. but they should buy some air superiority fighters.. at least 50 are needed if I could make a decision I would buy about 100 j20 but I know money money money. I do not know if it makes sence

i am not responsible for the mistakes and sins committed by my father. i hope u got my point. the arabs or palestinians in 67 and 73 were not responsible for the mistakes and sins done by their ancestors . not all of them at least. not the whole arab nation. although i hate the leadership in arab countries but it doesn't mean that all the arabs need to be punished for the actions by their leaders. secondly every one can make mistake at some point in his life but can repent later on as well. the role of erdogan before the failed coup was very doubtful rather i hate him for that. now lets see whether you are ready to accept this reality of just deny the truth out of nationalism and love of your leader. i also admit monstrous mistakes done by pak leaders . at least i am not into nationalism that much. the day we come out of this nationalism, sectarianism, racism and unite under the flag of islam Allah's help will come for us but the chances of this unity are zero before the coming of imam mehdi and return of hazrat Esa A. S.
as far as end of ottomans is concerned the role of mustafa kamal becomes questionable as well.
it's better to leave the past and stop pointing out each other's mistakes so yes the leaders of today can and should move forward to make a block of islamic countries. pak , turkey , iran, malaysia, qatar and african muslim countries can unite but even its chances are less as majority of our leaders fear uncle sam more then Allah. pak today cant do anything which displeases US. we never had a leader who can say no to uncle sam. presently our economic condition is pathetic. our leaders have put us under so much debt that we need to obey the zionists orders even if any leader wants to pull pak out of their clutches it is an uphill rather impossible task.

 

[Timur]

i am not responsible for the mistakes and sins committed by my father. i hope u got my point. the arabs or palestinians in 67 and 73 were not responsible for the mistakes and sins done by their ancestors . not all of them at least. not the whole arab nation. although i hate the leadership in arab countries but it doesn't mean that all the arabs need to be punished for the actions by their leaders. secondly every one can make mistake at some point in his life but can repent later on as well. the role of erdogan before the failed coup was very doubtful rather i hate him for that. now lets see whether you are ready to accept this reality of just deny the truth out of nationalism and love of your leader. i also admit monstrous mistakes done by pak leaders . at least i am not into nationalism that much. the day we come out of this nationalism, sectarianism, racism and unite under the flag of islam Allah's help will come for us but the chances of this unity are zero before the coming of imam mehdi and return of hazrat Esa A. S.
as far as end of ottomans is concerned the role of mustafa kamal becomes questionable as well.
it's better to leave the past and stop pointing out each other's mistakes so yes the leaders of today can and should move forward to make a block of islamic countries. pak , turkey , iran, malaysia, qatar and african muslim countries can unite but even its chances are less as majority of our leaders fear uncle sam more then Allah. pak today cant do anything which displeases US. we never had a leader who can say no to uncle sam. presently our economic condition is pathetic. our leaders have put us under so much debt that we need to obey the zionists orders even if any leader wants to pull pak out of their clutches it is an uphill rather impossible task.

read here and wake up I trolled that guy and brought him to some interesting answers..
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/erdo...shed-business-with-saudi-arabia.565252/page-4

that is the kind of ppl that destroyed the khilafah and are eager in working against muslims these days.. you say errors of past I talk about the same errors in past and today.. without waking up it will bring nothing.. ppl should start by daily 5 prayers..

you talk as if it is an easy thing to destroy the khalifah.. like did I really make that?.. its not as simple as like running away from a battle.. also many of them live until today.. they got what they deserve and will get it untill they wake up

I just point out this ppl want a palestine a nationalism thing there is the fault.. and this will never be the path to sucess

as I remember turkey has much more dept as pakistan... many countries are like this.. how does it look for pakistan to get chinese j-20? thats more interesting for me now..

 

[Aasimkhan]

You hope that happens
But imo in a real war you Pakistanis will get found out

Your lack of resources will show big time
Not enough spares
Actual combat ready planes are much lower than you let on.
You will run out of fuel money and spares very quickly
And the strategic depth or lack of this will mean you have no where to hide or treat .

You just can't do anything on your current military budget.

But you banking on a f16 you call your pride and enemy's envy to keep you away from total loss of a air war in days. Yet we know trump will sanction spares so nobody knows your real service levels of USA warplanes now .

It's all down to your thunders now

you tried to do it in 1965 (53 years ago) and you had the same thinking which you have just expressed. We gave you a bloody nose and you went back running with your tail between your legs. 53 years have passed and our humble fleet of sabres has been upgraded with f16s, thunders and soon coming 5th gen fighters (not to mention our nuclear weapons which can evaporate you).
If you were so capable your generals would have been able to realize your dream of having champaign in Lahore Gymkhana. Dream on loser

 

[volatile]

There is no pride when you loose sitting aircrafts and top of that to be proud one has to give punishments to those who are responsible ,Pride of bombing thru sniper pods ? even though no reports came or surfaced on media but collateral damage was there . Pride of not protecting airspace when the air chief even said we will shot down drones. next week there was a drone strike ,Im sure as Pakistani`s we have our moments of prideness but there are more moments of being shame . Only pride is thunder 17

 

[Storm Force]

you tried to do it in 1965 (53 years ago) and you had the same thinking which you have just expressed. We gave you a bloody nose and you went back running with your tail between your legs. 53 years have passed and our humble fleet of sabres has been upgraded with f16s, thunders and soon coming 5th gen fighters (not to mention our nuclear weapons which can evaporate you).
If you were so capable your generals would have been able to realize your dream of having champaign in Lahore Gymkhana. Dream on loser

Stop chatting nonsense
No one is dreaming of anything
It's you people rattling the cage over water supply and Kashmir and India being a existential threat.

Your USA warplanes are partially defunct due to your idiotic double crossing of USA interests and a serious spare parts issue exists.

Your thunder is mmore light rain as its S budget warplane thst China would never induct themselves but sell to poor developing air powers who cannot buy fancy western fighters

Nuclear weapons .....is this unique to Pakistan or does the other side have them too.

As for fifth generation .... err we are in2018 not 2030.so talk today or tomorrow not fifteen years time may be possibly if but and when

 

[airmarshal]

Hi,

And that was sheer stupidity on the part of the Paf pilots to join a conflict where arabs were losing---.

Why create animosity in a lost cause---. What benefit would that be for Pakistan---the nation---.

Just the egos of Paf pilots were stroked well---. Pakistan has lost in the long run due to those actions---.

Longewala would be a 'fate changing' moment the importance of which was lost due to the arrogance of the Paf's heirarchy---.

You do seem to have personal grudge against Pakistan Air Force. And please keep your sense of entitlement to yourself. You lecture others as if you are some high priest of wisdom. We dont need your lectures. If you can discuss with respect, you'll get respect.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

You hope that happens
But imo in a real war you Pakistanis will get found out

Your lack of resources will show big time
Not enough spares
Actual combat ready planes are much lower than you let on.
You will run out of fuel money and spares very quickly
And the strategic depth or lack of this will mean you have no where to hide or treat .

You just can't do anything on your current military budget.

But you banking on a f16 you call your pride and enemy's envy to keep you away from total loss of a air war in days. Yet we know trump will sanction spares so nobody knows your real service levels of USA warplanes now .

It's all down to your thunders now

Read the history books young man. I have flown in your skies in two wars, with all the conditions that you mention. The boys today are better, smarter, sharper, and more resilient. You forget that your pilots train to return we train to give our lives. You wont be able to match that with anything that you have.

 

[Sully3]

Eny, not so sure with their purchase of the Rafale which is a more modern and capable platform.

lol those bunch of jokers will wipe out their entire fleet of rafaels due to their bad maintenance of jets.

These indian jokers are crashing jets that are brand new just off the factory line

 

[MastanKhan]

You do seem to have personal grudge against Pakistan Air Force. And please keep your sense of entitlement to yourself. You lecture others as if you are some high priest of wisdom. We dont need your lectures. If you can discuss with respect, you'll get respect.

Hi,

When you speak up against the ills of the establishment---you are not speaking up to seek respect---.

Read the history books young man. I have flown in your skies in two wars, with all the conditions that you mention. The boys today are better, smarter, sharper, and more resilient. You forget that your pilots train to return we train to give our lives. You wont be able to match that with anything that you have.

Hi,

the game plan and the mindset of conflict has changed---.

This mindset of NO RETURN mentality has no place in modern warfare---..

The american military has a saying---" oh yeah---the muslims are not afraid of dying---no problem---we don't have any problem in killing them "----.

For that very reason---there is no hue and cry over the killings of 1 1/2 million muslims in Afghanistan---around 2 million muslims killed in Iraq---over a million killed in Syria---and hundreds of thousands killed in Libya---thousands killed in Palestine---.

The world does not care about the deaths of muslims---because the muslims desire death and the world is giving more death to the muslims---.

You asked for it---and you got it by the bucket load---.

Nobody is scared of the muslims threat " I am not afraid to die "---anymore---.

while i was replying to your post i was thinking that it will be a waste of time but still i thought to give some sense to you and your reply proved that i made the wrong decision of "bhains k agay been bajana"
so as per the instructions of islam i say salam to you. dont want to waste more time. bye

Hi,

You cannot answer---because you are living a LIE for all your life----.

Just give me one example---where muslims were ONE nation for 100 years---okay---let us cut it down to 50 years---where muslims acted as one nation---maybe 25 years---.

Young man---you have been told lies---you have been taught lies---you are living a lie---.

 

[litman]

Hi,

When you speak up against the ills of the establishment---you are not speaking up to seek respect---.




Hi,

the game plan and the mindset of conflict has changed---.

This mindset of NO RETURN mentality has no place in modern warfare---..

The american military has a saying---" oh yeah---the muslims are not afraid of dying---no problem---we don't have any problem in killing them "----.

For that very reason---there is no hue and cry over the killings of 1 1/2 million muslims in Afghanistan---around 2 million muslims killed in Iraq---over a million killed in Syria---and hundreds of thousands killed in Libya---thousands killed in Palestine---.

The world does not care about the deaths of muslims---because the muslims desire death and the world is giving more death to the muslims---.

You asked for it---and you got it by the bucket load---.

Nobody is scared of the muslims threat " I am not afraid to die "---anymore---.




Hi,

You cannot answer---because you are living a LIE for all your life----.

Just give me one example---where muslims were ONE nation for 100 years---okay---let us cut it down to 50 years---where muslims acted as one nation---maybe 25 years---.

Young man---you have been told lies---you have been taught lies---you are living a lie---.

age sure has negative effect on your mentality.

 

[Signalian]

Hi,

There were fools amongst the followers of Prophet Mohammad in Medina---. At one time---they got hold of some weapons---and those fools started raising slogans and started showing off their weapons---.

The Prophet of Allah admonished them and told them to be SECRETIVE of their resources and not to let the enemy know what they have and keep it as a surprise---and bring them out at the time of conflict.

You kids are dumb as molasses---or should I say---sbrainless---. You kids have no clue of strategy---tactics---game planning---.

Neither your teachers teach you anything---nor your elders have any clue---.

You keep uttering " muslims will unite one day "---having no clue that muslims were never united any day in the 1400 years of the history of Islam---.

Tell me---any one of you---give me one century in which muslims were united as one for a whole century---.

I mean to say---there is a limit to idiocy---. You can't create unity for one decision---Kalabagh dam---and you want to unite against israel---.

First of all---how are you going to get to Israel---how are you going to wage a war against Israel---what are you going to do different that Hamas was not able to do---what if the neighbors of israel don't want to fight israel---.

Son---the only thing you can do is gang up on weak and poor pakistani people---for criminal activities---and that is where the muslim brotherhood cherishes---.




Hi,

Indeed canadian and americans came to fight---but what benefit did Pakistan gain---nothing---but to show of and strut---and in the meantime since then---the Israelis may have silently killed thousand of pakistanis indirectly---..

Atlantique crew maybe at fault---but the Paf knew that the enemy air force wants to revenge its downed aircraft---that was a hot zone---. They should have flown an aircraft on their own---.

Does the term " I am my brothers keeper " have any meaning to the Pakistan air force---.

Do they even have understanding of this term---!!!

It was not the first time that they deceived the navy---.

You snatched the fun out of the thread

 

[Sully3]

These .jokers bombed your northern light infantry to smithereens in kargil

They took out your Atlantic plane within ten seconds of accidently crossing loc..

Where was your mighty trained air force

Sitting at home watching Indian bollywood films

lol your jokers in kargil begged USA and signed a cease fire then decided to bomb the retreating troops like the coward indians you are because the general public was ready to drag your PM out of his house as India had been caught with their pants down by the Pak army in Kargil, the land of snake charmers for a reason.

secondly we gave shot down countless of your junk planes flown by your drunk pilots.

thirdly, dont try to act all brave about your veggie joker army, we all know the lack of sleep the BAT team has given them crossing deep inside LOC and bring the heads of your veggie soldiers to play football with

no one in the world is scared of your elephant worshiping army jokers. who are scared to die because they dont know if they will come back in the next life as a beggar, a rat or a dog

if you want me to slap you on your indian veggie face further, i am here all night !!!

 

[Av8er]

I guess you meant PAF pilots who repeatedly scored victories against them without any losses. The Syrians did manage to bag a few Israeli jets....same with Egyptian AF.


Volunteers. Just like how American and Canadian Jews signed up for IDF/AF during that conflict. Egos stroked well for your satisfaction by description but those individuals were some of the best pilots PAF has ever produced.....


Israelis know how to work hard in all aspects....whether good or bad.

Atlantique crew were at fault.

Saab aircraft got repaired domestically at 1/3 the proposed costs by SAAB. There is a special centre at PAC regarding EW in conjunction with SAAB after the domestic repairs were seen on inspection.

Excellent post! Thanks

 

[IceCold]

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This is not a pride windy sb, its a curse, a curse that keeps us entangled to the US web of deceit and lies.
This should be the pride of PAF: