Pakistan’s poor handling brings UAE, India closer

[SrNair]

Our relation with ME was always based on trade and commerce.Both Iran and GCC are important to us.Yes GCC has more influence because they are so tied up with our economy.Our trade with UAE is running around 70 billion $ and KSA is around 25.Combined we have around 200 billion $ trade and 7 million Expats in there.
So GCC is an important pillar of our foreign policy .And current PM just increased that relation .That is our interest.

So Pak -UAE relation is not our concern.
Our relation with GCC is not aimed on some other nation.
Some comments of Pak members in here is just ridiculous.Pakistan knows the importants of UAE relation more than anyone else.


And last para is quite funny.Russia-Iran -China-Pak really.
Except Pakistan all others are in active disputes with US in several fields.And Pakistan is still depending on CSF fund of US and support of WB &IMF .
This is the problem of some Pak members.You should only cares about yourself .These 'with us or against us' is not feasible dor a small nation like Pakistan.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Delusions!!

Let me be frank, UAE has changed its strategy in the wake of rising terrorism in the region. India on one hand has been successful in thwarting most of terror attacks post 26/11 while Pakistan on the other hand is in a quagmire when it comes to handling terrorism.
Zarb-e-Arab might have been successful, but it has only been able to stop one wave of terrorists. Your porous borders and ambiguous policies have landed you into this mess.
UAE has a vast expat population (who are mostly Indians), and it has to cater to their needs. Religion now has become secondary here.
Just take a look at the joint statement made by the 2 countries and you will understand in which direction the fingers were being pointed. Go and watch Modi's speech in UAE, he dropped many hints which you seem to have missed.
I will call you naïf if you could not comprehend that the UAE now shares India's concerns over "export of terrorism" by a few states.

The joint statement...

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Alternative view:

USA is enroute to oil independence in 2017.
Leaving the biggest oil consumers as China Inida.
China the UAE can't do much about.
Thus, UAE needed to cozy up to India making sure they buy oil from Arabian producers and not Iran.

Masala # 2:
Iran is building a mega refinery next to gawadar;
Thus making gawadar more accessible and attractive, since
shipping lines who are trading with china can soup up oil at the same place.

Masala # 3:
Oil is selling under 40 USD at the moment, with prediction of 35 USD per barrel;
thus oil producers have to work harder to market oil as compared 100 USD + oil,
whereby buyers had to queue up to buy.

Chabahar will go operational ; but it will be at most gawadar's little cousin.

It is in UAE's best interest NOT to let this happen

 

[syedali73]

There was no poor handling. Yes our foreign policy is quite poor but in this case we could not have made any decision differently to change the outcome. We will make the same decisions again. Only thing that a good strong foreign policy could have done was to keep the effect of our decisions to minimum.

Secondly, it is not that UAE are partnering up with India to attack our western border. Much of they hype is created by the Indian media and everyone else is following the cue. The relations of UAE and India are improving, good for them, our relations with them suffered a blow with our decision on Yemen crisis, no issues, we never did anything wrong. IN nut shell, comparing India-UAE relation improvement with UAE-Pak relation slight decline is wrong and a tool to create all this hype. These two things are not related in any way. No need to worry about any of this. We and the Arabs have been together for YEARS, not easy to break that bond. They will get over it and so will be, while the Indian will be praising there newly found love in UAE our relations are bound to get back on track soon.

ALL WE NEED TO DO IS FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE, we need good relations with the Arabs and Iran, with the West and Russians. If we have GOOD relations with all these parties then EXCELLENT relations with two or three countries will work perfectly for us. If we try to relay on EXCELLENT relations on those two three countries alone while getting isolated from rest of the world that will be a problem. Need balanced and good relations with all the mentioned parties.

I beg to disagree wit you. Declaring non-alliance and impartiality from the floor of the parliament was one bad move. All Pakistan had to do was to order one brigade to move to Saudi Arabia ASAP in order to ensure the security of important installations located near Yemen. There was no need to take active part in Saudi campaign against Yemen, but showing solidarity was utmost important.

 

[Levina]

Alternative view:

USA is enroute to oil independence in 2017.
Leaving the biggest oil consumers as China Inida.
China the UAE can't do much about.
Thus, UAE needed to cozy up to India making sure they buy oil from Arabian producers and not Iran.

UAE is the third largest supplier of oil and gas to India, so it had to make sure that Iran did not eat into its share.

Masala # 2:
Iran is building a mega refinery next to gawadar;
Thus making gawadar more accessible and attractive, since
shipping lines who are trading with china can soup up oil at the same place.

Lol
I like the hype generated around Gwadar, as if its the last hope.

Masala # 3:
Oil is selling under 40 USD at the moment, with prediction of 35 USD per barrel;
thus oil producers have to work harder to market oil as compared 100 USD + oil,
whereby buyers had to queue up to buy.

I am assuming UAE had anticipated such a situation and the policy makers made sure the country had an alternative source of income by the time their oil dried up.
You can check UAE's source of income, especially of Emirates like Dubai which 're energy deficient. You'll find, that now a fair amount of money is generated through tourism.
Btw the country you live in, has also started to open up to non-Muslim tourism...or so I heard.

Chabahar will go operational ; but it will be at most gawadar's little cousin.

Younger cousin?
Yes... but not "little".

It is in UAE's best interest NOT to let this happen

Smart move UAE!!!

 

[Sinnerman108]

UAE is the third largest supplier of oil and gas to India, so it had to make sure that Iran did not eat into its share.


Lol
I like the hype generated around Gwadar, as if its the last hope.


I am assuming UAE had anticipated such a situation and the policy makers made sure the country had an alternative source of income by the time their oil dried up.
You can check UAE's source of income, especially of Emirates like Dubai which 're energy deficient. You'll find, that now a fair amount of money is generated through tourism.
Btw the country you live in, has also started to open up to non-Muslim tourism...or so I heard.


Younger cousin?
Yes... but not "little".


Smart move UAE!!!

This is why i don't debate with your type;

Since elephant can cruise through water on rat back out of lanka
what you are saying is correct.

 

[Levina]

This is why i don't debate with your type;

lol
I am sure get bamboozled often.

Since elephant can cruise through water on rat back out of lanka
what you are saying is correct.

I guess you've run out of arguments.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Pakistan has been taken for granted by many Arab Muslim countries. They know very well that Pakistan will never retaliate by moving closer to their adversaries. Egypt, Syria and Iraq moved closer to India due to Soviet alliance but Pakistan principled policy against Zionazi entity never changed. Instead we provided them pilots to defend them in 1967 and 1973 wars against Zionazis. Same is true today as will do nothing until they themselves realize their foolish actions. We will follow the axiom: "Stay calm and carry on".

 

[Indus Falcon]

Alternative view:

USA is enroute to oil independence in 2017.
Leaving the biggest oil consumers as China Inida.
China the UAE can't do much about.
Thus, UAE needed to cozy up to India making sure they buy oil from Arabian producers and not Iran.

Masala # 2:
Iran is building a mega refinery next to gawadar;
Thus making gawadar more accessible and attractive, since
shipping lines who are trading with china can soup up oil at the same place.

Masala # 3:
Oil is selling under 40 USD at the moment, with prediction of 35 USD per barrel;
thus oil producers have to work harder to market oil as compared 100 USD + oil,
whereby buyers had to queue up to buy.

Chabahar will go operational ; but it will be at most gawadar's little cousin.

It is in UAE's best interest NOT to let this happen

I have already revealed too much on this forum, @Color_Less_Sky Knows who my source is and has a good idea in which circles I "lurk".

What I can tell you very confidently, is what is being reported in the press, AND what is going to happen are two different things.

Don't waste your breath arguing with intellectually challenged morons. The butthurt you are going to see will be huge!!!

 

[I.R.A]

The butthurt you are going to see will be huge!!!

INSHALLAH.

I beg to disagree wit you. Declaring non-alliance and impartiality from the floor of the parliament was one bad move. All Pakistan had to do was to order one brigade to move to Saudi Arabia ASAP in order to ensure the security of important installations located near Yemen. There was no need to take active part in Saudi campaign against Yemen, but showing solidarity was utmost important.

Who knows what happened on floor of the parliament was all of it that happened in reality

Hum Sajji dikha kay khabi marny kay mahir hain Syed Sb.

 

[Indus Falcon]

China the UAE can't do much about.

The UAE is already on very excellent terms with China. Better than India

1) They have a currency swap in place
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/82e5d5b8-41da-11e1-a586-00144feab49a.html#axzz3jkErRINO

2) UAE, China: The Latest on Some Mysterious Cargo | Stratfor

UAE airforce plane continues to be grounded - Rediff.com India News

 

[Arsalan]

I beg to disagree wit you. Declaring non-alliance and impartiality from the floor of the parliament was one bad move. All Pakistan had to do was to order one brigade to move to Saudi Arabia ASAP in order to ensure the security of important installations located near Yemen. There was no need to take active part in Saudi campaign against Yemen, but showing solidarity was utmost important.

One brigade or one soldier,, it wont have mattered. The message it would have give would have been that we have sided with the Arabs. That is how modern day media works, no one would have gone on to check the extent of our involvement.
This was the message we DID NOT want to give,, AGAIN.
We have our own country and our own interests to put first. Secondly we are involved in a bloody war already and we all know about the roots of enemy we are fighting with. I do agree that annihilating the whole Arab world to please Iran would be a stupid move but for me it was not just about pleasing Iran. It is a significant shift in our policy and a good one at that.The message was clear, we are not going to get involved in killings of Muslims in name of our pain for the Muslim Ummah.
Also i am very hopeful that the negative effects will be short term. We have a long standing partnership with Arabs and things wont come down crashing just for this one reason. If you remember, after all the barking and shouting, two months into the conflict we were called upon again. It shows that they also are not over it yet. Relations will warm up again, there are two many things in common.