Pakistans no.1 enemy Afghanistan

[Hell Raiser]

In my personel experience, none pashtoon afghanis are strictly anti pakistan and are more of india's lapdogs. and Honestly I don't give a rat's behind about them as long as pashtoons are cool with us.

 

[koolio]

Its a sad state of affairs, but the Afghani's can only blame themselves, instead of taking responsibility of fixing Afghanistan problems, they like to blame all their problems on Pakistan which is surely not going to help them in the long run, all this talk of not accepting Durand line is just a fantasy, as Afghanistan is falling apart, GOA does not have control beyond Kabul.

 

[Viper0011.]

Pakistani members keep repeating that borders need to be closed, refugees need to be expelled ....etc Why not do it instead of ranting and raving.
Who are taliban ? proxy of pakistan,
Stop ranting and get on with it, pakistan is reaping what it sowed.

Read the bold above and my answers below:

1) Pakistan isn't closing the border off because it has humanity in her. The refugees aren't being pushed out and their home bulldozed because they are humans and they need a roof on their head. Unlike your country who appointed 7 Soliders on Ever ONE civilian in Kashmir and not to mention Gang Rapes, Murders in Masses, with Mass Graves which are now part of the UN's record as of last week. Not to ALSO mention the fact that unlike your country, where majority Hindu extremists kill minorities in numbers without mercy, and consider the country to be "theirs" because they are a majority. In Pakistan, there is more humanity then you have in India. That's for sure. No matter how you twist it.

2) Taliban WERE a proxy of Pakistan, 200% agreed. Now, they are a proxy of India. I don't know why they still call themselves Talibans, they should just called Extended Foreign Terrorism Branch of RAW, or in short "FTB - RAW", headquartered in New Delhi, India. The proofs have been provided to the UN by Pakistan and the murders of hundreds of Pakistanis in cold blood is a proof of the death these terrorist cowards bring to innocents in Pakistan, trained by RAW and Indian Special Forces!!!

3) Pakistan has reaped what it sowed. That's why they backed off of Yemen and Saudi drama as they've learned their lesson. However, the future will tell us what India is reaping today, how she'll sow it in the next 10 or so years. Karma is a bit*ch!!!

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Afghanistan's intelligence agency NDS is actively working for RAW, the spying and supporting terrorism inside Pakistan on behalf of RAW

Bhai jaan, Hindu India will always be our enemy no. 1. The hypocrite, COMMANDER-COWARD Ghair-Musharaf try to sell the LOC as the IB and the Hindus rejected it! It sent shock waves through our establishment and opened their eyes once and for all; Indians want to break-up Pakistan using all mean necessary (don't forget the Times article and it is NOT just Indian dream).

If you doubt that then I suggest you troll through any news on Pakistan and you'll see Indians bad mouthing Pakistan. In your own piece you've mentioned RAW is using Afghan territory to launch terrorism inside Pakistan, does that make them enemy no.2?

If you know anything about eschatology the Afghans will deal with the Indians in a good and proper way. Our greedy ginerals and sayadans got us to this low point. I've read some of your comments; are you denying our gorment is taking money from Amrika for their war? Was there terrorism pre-2001 in Pakistan? NO!

 

[Gazi]

Bhai jaan, Hindu India will always be our enemy no. 1. The hypocrite, COMMANDER-COWARD Ghair-Musharaf try to sell the LOC as the IB and the Hindus rejected it! It sent shock waves through our establishment and opened their eyes once and for all; Indians want to break-up Pakistan using all mean necessary (don't forget the Times article and it is NOT just Indian dream).

This is more of a Propaganda by mostly Religious Organization to discredit Musharraf otherwise if that was true then they should have been able to show a Single piece of EVIDENCE to support such Claims and that too under whole Core Commander and Intelligence agencies Watch.

If you doubt that then I suggest you troll through any news on Pakistan and you'll see Indians bad mouthing Pakistan. In your own piece you've mentioned RAW is using Afghan territory to launch terrorism inside Pakistan, does that make them enemy no.2?

I dont think you understand the dept of Afghan's Pakistan Animosity. It is not just Proxy war related rather it combination of Regional, Geopolitical and most importantly demographically in nature. India is just filling the spot in this whole scenario only because they have found a Natural cover.

If you know anything about eschatology the Afghans will deal with the Indians in a good and proper way. Our greedy ginerals and sayadans got us to this low point. I've read some of your comments; are you denying our gorment is taking money from Amrika for their war? Was there terrorism pre-2001 in Pakistan? NO!

OK we got Jamati Propaganda here. My friend Pakistani Military have always ben PRAGMATIC in its approach hence they dont get attach to some specific Ideologies forever so as Afghan Policy. Military might have their Flaws but they are seeing a bigger picture rather then an average person who wants to criticize on the limited available knowledge he has. Supporting USA was as right decision as supporting Taliban as both were unpredictable hence they decided on the basis of Cost/ Benefit among both rather then so called $$ in the Pocket idea of yours..

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

This is more of a Propaganda by mostly Religious Organization to discredit Musharraf otherwise if that was true then they should have been able to show a Single piece of EVIDENCE to support such Claims and that too under whole Core Commander and Intelligence agencies Watch.

There are many articles on the traitor. I Googled and found Jethmalani blames India for 'frustrating' Musharraf's Kashmir power-sharing plan and calls for a revival of 'fantastic' strategy | Daily Mail Online

It would have been a de-facto IB.

OK we got Jamati Propaganda here. My friend Pakistani Military have always ben PRAGMATIC in its approach hence they dont get attach to some specific Ideologies forever so as Afghan Policy. Military might have their Flaws but they are seeing a bigger picture rather then an average person who wants to criticize on the limited available knowledge he has. Supporting USA was as right decision as supporting Taliban as both were unpredictable hence they decided on the basis of Cost/ Benefit among both rather then so called $$ in the Pocket idea of yours..

My uncle is a retired Major and another cousin is in active duty in a branch I'm not allowed to disclose, and I know very well the so called Military. I know more than you think and the thanda it runs. You talk about cost/benefit - what benefit did we get from joining someones war? 50,000+ dead, 4,000+ soldiers dead and terrorism levels unheard of. Not only that we allow foreign country to bomb us and make us look pathetic.

What has Taliban got to do with us? We should never have got involved and let them find other transit routes. I can say openly as unlike most here who are either looking for a visa to the Amerika or are living there.

It was all about MONEY! And this sick perverted mentality influences us sending Pak-UN troops around the World. Please check out what they receive in payment from the UN and what the Army pays the soldiers. Our soldiers have become cheap mercenaries.

 

[tore]

We Indians will not let that happen. Only India knows the art of breaking countries into pieces.
For example : India never liked direction in front of a country name. EAST Pakistan...then West pakistan...India converted to Pakistan and Bengladesh.
Now too easy....
So pakistan shouldn't try what you are not capable of....sorry

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No, India was never in position to divide Pakistan if the bengalis wanted freedom from Pakistan. Bengalis was more then 50% av Pakistans population, its obvious that minority cant stop majority.

 

[Gazi]

There are many articles on the traitor. I Googled and found Jethmalani blames India for 'frustrating' Musharraf's Kashmir power-sharing plan and calls for a revival of 'fantastic' strategy | Daily Mail Online

It would have been a de-facto IB.

Where is the Doc???Its not so called EVIDENCE rather an OPINION.

My uncle is a retired Major and another cousin is in active duty in a branch I'm not allowed to disclose, and I know very well the so called Military. I know more than you think and the thanda it runs. You talk about cost/benefit - what benefit did we get from joining someones war? 50,000+ dead, 4,000+ soldiers dead and terrorism levels unheard of. Not only that we allow foreign country to bomb us and make us look pathetic.

OK so lots of people have got relatives in Military doesnt make them decision Makers especially of Pakistan Strategic Level if they are not part of certain Position within Military Command Hierarchy. Those 50000+ deaths were inevitable considering the fact on the ground where they found refuge. FATA region which had very little Govt. Control becomes the problem and its not military Mistake it was people over there who prefer to give them shelter till they ran over them and started creating mess elsewhere as well. So it was not something that would have been avoided by any how due to our Structural Vulnerabilities rather then deliberate Negligence.

What has Taliban got to do with us? We should never have got involved and let them find other transit routes. I can say openly as unlike most here who are either looking for a visa to the Amerika or are living there.

OK then let the only leverage we had in the region to slip away in favor of other powers who would have exploited the situation for themselves and may Harm Pakistan if they have to???Good Plan you got here. Its better to have open Channels of negotiation with other Countries then have nothing at all. Do you even know how much Pakistan's Transporters belonged to same areas had benefited from Transit Facility???

It was all about MONEY! And this sick perverted mentality influences us sending Pak-UN troops around the World. Please check out what they receive in payment from the UN and what the Army pays the soldiers. Our soldiers have become cheap mercenaries.

Now you got problem with Pakistan's commitment towards International Peace Keeping mission as well. I can agree with you on that our soldiers deserve more compensation but every year they have to look for a better weapons for them as well just to ensure that their lives are protected in Operational situations. Those Apaches, Al Khalids also require funding they are not free.

 

[Sky lord]

Afghanistan + north Punjab,ajk,kpk and balochistan

Bhai, why you need so much land, why not concentrate on what you already have and shine it up to be a pearl in the region,then people will automatically defer and see the wisdom in joining hands with you.

 

[Viper 94]

Just putting it out there, but maybe Pakistanis need to do a little bit of introspection as to why Afghans hate them.

Afghans are not insane people, they must have reasons, why don't you figure that out first. Maybe, could it be that you might be at fault too? Even just a little tiny bit?

Better to sort out this relationship real quick, they have one of the highest population growth rAtes in the world and if they continue to hate you, in a decade or so you could have over 50million people on your western border willing to bomb you back into the Stone Age.

Afghanistan
bomb Pakistan of 200 million to stone age
Afghans really need to get take control of land outside the kabul before bomb Pakistan

there are certain features that are common among countries with the potential to have a robust economy
Afghanistan doesn't have any
1. a small unskilled population
2. geography is a logistical nightmare
3. lack of enough arable land and water to have a surplus of produce
4. lack of a well trained and motivated military
5. not enough natural resources
6. a united and organized population
7. most importantly afghanistan is landlocked

It is in Afghanistan's best interest to forge better ties with pakistan and stop with the irrational hatred of pakistanis
Pakistan is also running out of patience with afghanistan
they are more than willing to escape to pakistan but are also very keen on creating mischief in pakistan
this is characteristic of a backward and morally bankrupt people

 

[Sky lord]

Afghanistan
bomb Pakistan of 200 million to stone age
Afghans really need to get take control of land outside the kabul before bomb Pakistan

there are certain features that are common among countries with the potential to have a robust economy
Afghanistan doesn't have any
1. a small unskilled population
2. geography is a logistical nightmare
3. lack of enough arable land and water to have a surplus of produce
4. lack of a well trained and motivated military
5. not enough natural resources
6. a united and organized population
7. most importantly afghanistan is landlocked

It is in Afghanistan's best interest to forge better ties with pakistan and stop with the irrational hatred of pakistanis
Pakistan is also running out of patience with afghanistan
they are more than willing to escape to pakistan but are also very keen on creating mischief in pakistan
this is characteristic of a backward and morally bankrupt people

Don't underestimate Afghans

What you say "small unskilled population" remember it is growing at one of the fastest rates in the world, they are increasing exponentially and emigrating in large numbers, acquiring skills in foreign countries. Go anywhere in the world today and you will find an afghan community, this was not the case 20 years ago. Soon they will be a huge population, I think it is expected to peak at $150 million. That is half as many people as the USA and there will be many highly skilled and educated among them. Afgahns are not stupid, they are intelligent and as capable as you or anyone else for that matter.

Afghanistan is indeed rich in natural resources, in fact 1 trillion dollars worth of untapped minerals lie underground. If they can only figure out a Way to extract it and use the money for good in their country they will have a higher per capita income than Pakistan. Saudia, a generation ago had nothing but oil under their sand, today they have one of the highest per capita incomes in the world. No reason why Afghanistan cannot follow in the same footsteps. But right now unfortunately it does not look like afghans will be given the opportunity to benefit from their own minerals the way Saudia did.

Without getting emotional or super patriotic think about what Pakistani leaders commonly say " Afghanistan is our back yard" " necessary for our security". Mushy used to say that every 5 minutes, put yourself in the place of an Afghan, how would you like your country to be just someone else's backyard? Plus this business of playing games and supporting the Taliban, that is a lot of interference. No country will like that,you would not if you were afghan. In fact as a Pakistani, I am sure you resent the little CIA games that US plays in pakistan, how is what you are doing in Afghanistan any different?

There are technological solutions to all the problems you site. Arid land can be made productive with drip irrigation, look at Israel. Landlocked countries can build superhighways to ports. Military can be modernized and trained given the freedom to do so, currently the Afghans are being denied that freedom. Certainly Afghans have historically been great fighters.

Afghanistan can within one generation become a stable and moderately prosperous society if they are given a chance to do so. Unfortunately it does not look like they will be. Can you understand why an afghan would resent that loss?

 

[Great Sachin]

How many No 1 enemy Pakistan have?
India
USA
Israel
and now Afghanistan

 

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How many No 1 enemy Pakistan have?
India
USA
Israel
and now Afghanistan

You forgot Aliens.

 

[Viper 94]

Don't underestimate Afghans

What you say "small unskilled population" remember it is growing at one of the fastest rates in the world, they are increasing exponentially and emigrating in large numbers, acquiring skills in foreign countries. Go anywhere in the world today and you will find an afghan community, this was not the case 20 years ago. Soon they will be a huge population, I think it is expected to peak at $150 million. That is half as many people as the USA and there will be many highly skilled and educated among them. Afgahns are not stupid, they are intelligent and as capable as you or anyone else for that matter.

Afghanistan is indeed rich in natural resources, in fact 1 trillion dollars worth of untapped minerals lie underground. If they can only figure out a Way to extract it and use the money for good in their country they will have a higher per capita income than Pakistan. Saudia, a generation ago had nothing but oil under their sand, today they have one of the highest per capita incomes in the world. No reason why Afghanistan cannot follow in the same footsteps. But right now unfortunately it does not look like afghans will be given the opportunity to benefit from their own minerals the way Saudia did.

Without getting emotional or super patriotic think about what Pakistani leaders commonly say " Afghanistan is our back yard" " necessary for our security". Mushy used to say that every 5 minutes, put yourself in the place of an Afghan, how would you like your country to be just someone else's backyard? Plus this business of playing games and supporting the Taliban, that is a lot of interference. No country will like that,you would not if you were afghan. In fact as a Pakistani, I am sure you resent the little CIA games that US plays in pakistan, how is what you are doing in Afghanistan any different?

There are technological solutions to all the problems you site. Arid land can be made productive with drip irrigation, look at Israel. Landlocked countries can build superhighways to ports. Military can be modernized and trained given the freedom to do so, currently the Afghans are being denied that freedom. Certainly Afghans have historically been great fighters.

Afghanistan can within one generation become a stable and moderately prosperous society if they are given a chance to do so. Unfortunately it does not look like they will be. Can you understand why an afghan would resent that loss?

i am not going to respond most of the things you said because it will take too much time
but don't compare israel and afghanistan
israel has the highest doctors to population ratio since the beginning they are incredibly skilled people
they have sea access and the U.S apparently has a long term interest in israel and provides more assistance to israel than any other country
israel's highly admired water desalination process requires enormous amounts of resources and most importantly access to sea
there is no country with such rigged terrain and geographic location that we know of which has become an economic power
in the u.s where i work right now i don't know of many afghans that are receiving advanced degrees
most of the afghans migrants are moving towards europe i don't know the situation there

 

[Sky lord]

i am not going to respond most of the things you said because it will take too much time
but don't compare israel and afghanistan
israel has the highest doctors to population ratio since the beginning they are incredibly skilled people
they have sea access and the U.S apparently has a long term interest in israel and provides more assistance to israel than any other country
israel's highly admired water desalination process requires enormous amounts of resources and most importantly access to sea
there is no country with such rigged terrain and geographic location that we know of which has become an economic power
in the u.s where i work right now i don't know of many afghans that are receiving advanced degrees
most of the afghans migrants are moving towards europe i don't know the situation there

OK fine, just wanted to say that I mentioned Israel only about drip irrigation, yes of course Ashkanzi Jews have enormous advantages over tribal afghans. Afghanistan may never have the economic or technological prowess of Israel but they don't have to be this dirt poor and downtrodden either. I was only making the point that pakistan could be much more helpful than it is, if afghans could sell their dried fruit in India it would probably increase there per capita 20% not only will you not allow them to do that but you create a huge stink over a road connecting Afghanistan to Iran. Pakistan dictates who afghans can trade with, what they trade, who extracts their minerals, You will not allow them to modernize their army...it's all a little too much, it not all about you you you....like a narcissist....there are other people involved too...

Anyways buddy, goodnight, no hard feelings I hope, I was just making a point. I am off to bed as well now.