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Pakistan’s mini-nukes won’t guarantee security, only annihilation

Even if you say please annex us we have no interest :partay::partay::rofl::rofl:

what are you Iraq with Oil or any
many things.
Small nukes means better distribution of nukes and more nukes for same amount of Fissile material. makes hiding nukes in different places all too easy.
Also whatever little amount of Fissile material comes out of enrichment facilities is straight away put into working nukes,instead of waiting for larger amount to accumulate for strategic ones.

About Radiation,no your wrong,the Boosted fission or Fission fusion fission design used by Pakistan is very very clean.


That is not the case,your military and political leadership is Pakistan obsessed. they worry more about Pakistan than the poor Indian on the street.

Frankly Yaar people worry more about Dal price and day to day problems who on earth is bothered about pakistan america modi lodhi none every human is sensible
 
many things.
Small nukes means better distribution of nukes and more nukes for same amount of Fissile material. makes hiding nukes in different places all too easy.
Also whatever little amount of Fissile material comes out of enrichment facilities is straight away put into working nukes,instead of waiting for larger amount to accumulate for strategic ones.

About Radiation,no your wrong,the Boosted fission or Fission fusion fission design used by Pakistan is very very clean.

I was talking about "Advantage of Tactical Nuke over Cluster Bombs",not "Advantage of Tactical Nukes".
 
Pakistan’s mini-nukes won’t guarantee security, only annihilation
Pakistan believes that dropping low-yield nukes on India will counter a conventional attack and yet the war will remain limited. This is stupid.

Pervez Hoodbhoy

That Pakistan may first use nuclear weapons in a future war with India was announced recently by Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry. Coming just two days before Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s visit to the United States in the last week of October, this could be considered a reiteration of the army’s well-known stance. But, significantly, it came from the Foreign Office rather than Army General Headquarters or Strategic Plans Division. Coming from both ends of the power spectrum, this confirms that Pakistan has drastically shifted its nuclear posture.

In the late 1980s, Pakistan had viewed nuclear weapons very differently: they were the last-ditch means to deter a possible nuclear attack by India. But Pakistan now says it intends to use low-yield nuclear bombs, also called tactical nuclear weapons, to forestall the possible advance of Indian troops into Pakistan under India’s Cold Start operational doctrine.

Floated by Gen Deepak Kapoor in 2010, Cold Start calls for cutting Pakistan into “salami slices” as punishment for hosting yet another Mumbai-style terrorist attack inside India. It assumes that this limited action would not provoke a nuclear exchange. India strenuously denies that such a doctrine is official or that it has been made operational.

This denial cut no ice across the border. In 2011 a successful test of the Nasr “shoot and scoot” short-ranged missile was announced by Inter Services Public Relations, the Pakistan military’s official voice. Ensconced inside a multiple-barrelled mobile launcher, the four 60-kilometre-range missiles are said to be tipped with nuclear warheads each roughly one-tenth the size of a Hiroshima-sized weapon. Pakistan says these tactical weapons will not destabilise the current balance or pose significant command and control problems, a claim that many believe as incorrect.

Grave escalation

Pakistan is not the first country tempted by nuclear force multipliers. Nor, as claimed by ISPR, is making small warheads a significant technical feat. In fact in the 1950s, the Americans had developed even smaller ones with sub-kiloton yields, and placed them on the Davy Crockett recoilless guns deployed at forward positions along the Turkey-USSR border. The nuclear shell, with a blast yield that would be dialled as required, could be fired by just two infantrymen. This was a tempting alternative to artillery but the Americans were eventually unnerved by the prospect of two soldiers setting off a nuclear war on their own initiative. The weapon was withdrawn and decommissioned after a few years.

Wars are fought to be won, not to be lost. So how will Pakistan’s new weapons help us win a war? This fundamental question is never even touched. But let us assume their use in a post Mumbai-II scenario. For every (small) mushroom cloud on Pakistani territory, roughly a dozen or more Indian main battle tanks and armoured vehicles would be destroyed. After many mushrooms, the invasion would stop dead in its tracks and a few thousand Indian troops would be killed. Pakistan would decisively win a battle.

But then what? With the nuclear threshold crossed for the first time since 1945, India would face one of two options: to fight on or flee. Which it will choose is impossible to predict because much will depend upon the extant political and military circumstances, as well as the personalities of the military and political leaders then in office.

Official Indian policy calls for massive retaliation. In 2013, reacting officially to Pakistan, Shyam Saran, the head of the National Security Advisory Board, declared that, “India will not be the first to use nuclear weapons, but if it is attacked with such weapons, it would engage in nuclear retaliation which will be massive and designed to inflict unacceptable damage on its adversary. The label on a nuclear weapon used for attacking India, strategic or tactical, is irrelevant from the Indian perspective”.

Simply stated: whether struck by a micro-nuke or mini-nuke or city-buster, and whether on its own soil or outside its borders, India says it will consider itself under nuclear attack and react accordingly.

A tit-for-tat exchange

This is plain stupid. It violates the principle of proportionate retaliation and pushes aside the barriers to hell. But could the National Security Advisory Board be bluffing? It may be that if push comes to shove, India will not actually launch its large nuclear weapons. The sensible instinct of self-preservation might somehow prevail, and the subcontinent live to see another morning.

More likely is that in the heat of the moment, reckless passions will rage and caution will take a backseat. A tit-for-tat exchange could continue until every single weapon, small and large, is used up on either side. It is difficult to imagine how any war termination mechanism could work even if, by some miracle, the nuclear command and control centres remain intact. At the end both India and Pakistan would win, having taught the other a terrible lesson. But neither would remain habitable.

The subcontinent’s military and political leaders are not the first to believe that a nuclear war can remain limited, and perhaps even won. President Ronald Reagan puzzled over the possibility of Armageddon, uncertain whether or not God was commanding him to destroy earth or to leave it in His hands. Allen Dulles, the first CIA director, had repeatedly railed against the stupidity of those Americans, “who draw an ‘artificial’ distinction between nuclear and conventional weapons and cannot realise that atomic bombs should be treated like bullets”.

Tactical nukes will not make Pakistan more secure. This dangerous programme should be immediately abandoned. Nukes may win a battle for us but at the cost of losing Pakistan. Instead our security lies in ensuring that Pakistan’s territory is not used for launching terror attacks upon our neighbours. We must explicitly renounce the use of covert war to liberate Kashmir – a fact hidden from none and recently admitted to by Gen Pervez Musharraf.

As for India: your security depends upon adopting a less belligerent attitude towards Pakistan, stopping a menacing military build-up that is spooking all your neighbours, and realising that respect is earned through economic rather than military strength.

Pakistan’s mini-nukes won’t guarantee security, only annihilation

These are tall orders for both countries. Any optimism is currently unwarranted.
I did research but was not good enough for publish during my bachelors research project however I did come to conclusion that the use of nuclear missile especially nasr type which are miniature have no particular effect unless launched and strike successfully with atleast quantity of minimum 4-6 because of large columns of mechanized forces that Cold Start Doctrine from India is all about. Further I came to know that the size and build of nasr type missile is as same as A100E MRLS that Pakistan which is simple artillery system with a high velocity which can be mistaken as a miniature nuke so even if Pakistan does not use nasr the artillery systems rocket propelled can be and should be considered as nukes as no enemy wants to take chances. Since it is indian claim that they will launch full strike even if one strike on them then yes criticism is dire acceptable however you should realise Nuke is the only reason we haven't seen war for long time now. So Nuke development for propaganda or ruse efforts is also acceptable.

Source: Criticism on Pakistan's Nuclear Doctrine. | Page 4
 
I was talking about "Advantage of Tactical Nuke over Cluster Bombs",not "Advantage of Tactical Nukes".
I was talking about "Advantage of Tactical Nuke over Cluster Bombs",not "Advantage of Tactical Nukes".
Cluster bombs and 1kiloton nuke has no comparison.
Specially when you are using it for high neutron influx to penetrate armored divisions

I did research but was not good enough for publish during my bachelors research project however I did come to conclusion that the use of nuclear missile especially nasr type which are miniature have no particular effect unless launched and strike successfully with atleast quantity of minimum 4-6 because of large columns of mechanized forces that Cold Start Doctrine from India is all about. Further I came to know that the size and build of nasr type missile is as same as A100E MRLS that Pakistan which is simple artillery system with a high velocity which can be mistaken as a miniature nuke so even if Pakistan does not use nasr the artillery systems rocket propelled can be and should be considered as nukes as no enemy wants to take chances. Since it is indian claim that they will launch full strike even if one strike on them then yes criticism is dire acceptable however you should realise Nuke is the only reason we haven't seen war for long time now. So Nuke development for propaganda or ruse efforts is also acceptable.

Source: Criticism on Pakistan's Nuclear Doctrine. | Page 4
But did you consider the Nasr nukes as neutron bombs not nukes?
That configuration Is highly effective in penetrating armored vehicles in large area. That is what's fitted on Nasr missile
 
Regarding justification of having or not having nuclear warheads, Pakistan needs defence against Indian cold start. If there is a better alternate than tactical nuclear weapons, go for that. Until you don't, don't listen to any piece of crap.

Out of memory, I am recalling USA had "played" war-scenarios of war between India and Pakistan and every scenario lead to use of nuclear weapon by one side or the other. If south Asia wants to save itself from nuclear century, simply don't let a war happen. Here Pakistan having tactical nukes or not is not the problem, existence of disputes inviting wars is the issue. Solve it, you wouldn't need to worry about any weapon at all.
 
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An article by Pervaiz Hodbhoy.:enjoy: What can we expect other than bashing of Pakistan nuclear program.
 
Cluster bombs and 1kiloton nuke has no comparison.
Specially when you are using it for high neutron influx to penetrate armored divisions

Really???what about effectiveness??

1 CBU-105 has been tested against nearly 40 Iraqi Tanks along with Various cars,Artillery and Armored Carriers.In Youtube,there is Video available as result.I'm posting another one here...


handful of CBU-97/105 can perform what a Tactical Nuke can dream of..
 
Classified,
what makes you think there stealth fighters are flown by our pilots for testing and they will not share images with us.......may be afraid of super duper vedic Power next door.

Dear kid,you have digested too much of home propaganda by Indian media,Pakistan stared focusing nuclear energy in 1957 and A-bomb construction after fall of decca.We invested billion of dollors,(thanks to Libya and KSA who provided money when needed)to develop nuclear industrial base.Pak-Sino nuclear cooperation only stared after 2000,that too in field of civilian energy.
http://fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/nuke/chron.htm
Pakistan has fastest growing nuclear weapons programme in the world: report - The Express Tribune

What a childish response and referring me as KID, Lolz
I fear I am talking to a guy who don't know the difference between a Nuclear Fission and Nuclear Fussion.

Who is denying that Pakistan don't have nuclear weapon based on enriched Uranium, after all so much effort and hardwork of pakistani scientist like metallurgist Abdul Q. Khan, a national hero who founded a worldwide network to acquire sensitive technology for his country's nuclear project and later for providing nuclear technology to Pakistan's friends and customers. whose sucessful plan of theft of a gas centrifuge enrichment technology from the Uranium Enrichment Corporation [URENCO] in the Netherlands, purchase high frequency electrical inverters needed to run centrifuges.

I don't believe in propaganda here is one link for you
link


So what was project code name project-706 for to acquire deterrance nuclear weapon for pakistan or to share this knowledge to other countries like Libya, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, North Korea

Pakistan has the fastest growing nuclear weapons programme in the world, and soon Pakistan have the largest stockpile after US and Russia in the world-- But where does these reports are coming -- From the USA

Why because a background is been created, and I fear my friend its the same thing that US do i.e project the fear in the international community against a country before acting against it, just she did with Iraq. So I firmly believe and wish it should end soon, with the US siezing all weapons from Pakistan.

what makes you think there stealth fighters are flown by our pilots for testing and they will not share images with us.......may be afraid of super duper vedic Power next door.

Leave aside Vedic, answer with your quranic view, whats the relationship with my post and your answer. A pakistani pilot test flying 5th gen fighter plane do you find any significance or importance if he is only flying the machine which is just a prototype, without much electronics and the one who are recording and monitoring the flight data are sitting on the ground control station. Its like test driver with 5 billion race car, who have the skill to drive but not concerned how the engine is been manufactured in the shop floor.

Anyway provide me the link or report that shows China share realtime intel data from its spy satellite to pakistan.


@Chinese-Dragon Please Ans above Question.

So you don't have idea

Because your all Questions are based on foolish lame acquaintances with no back up Data.

Which question you find foolish pls be specific and point some
 
So I firmly believe and wish it should end soon, with the US siezing all weapons from Pakistan.
Patel died while dreaming,Pakistan will not last more then two years,It was back possible in 90's but no today.Today they can only begging us to to opt for an ICBM
Anyway provide me the link or report that shows China share realtime intel data from its spy satellite to pakistan.
Yes,all classified deals and intel sharing details are known to general public and specially enemy states.

Leave aside Vedic, answer with your quranic view, whats the relationship with my post and your answer. A pakistani pilot test flying 5th gen fighter plane do you find any significance or importance if he is only flying the machine which is just a prototype, without much electronics and the one who are recording and monitoring the flight data are sitting on the ground control station. Its like test driver with 5 billion race car, who have the skill to drive but not concerned how the engine is been manufactured in the shop floor.

Anyway provide me the link or report that shows China share realtime intel data from its spy satellite to pakistan.
Please tell me when did Indian Pilots tested 5 gen T-50,as it's like a car and any developer will let you sit in his Billion Dollor Project so i guess India's have flown F-35,22 and T-50.
Pakistan is user of Military Grade BeiDou Navigation Satellite System,only so far after china itself.

I don't believe in propaganda here is one link for you
What makes you think,that your provided link is not crap.
 
Patel died while dreaming,Pakistan will not last more then two years,It was back possible in 90's but no today.Today they can only begging us to to opt for an ICBM
its not about patel dream, its about the betterment for whole world, to check the biggest profileration of nuclear weapon in the world.
Yes,all classified deals and intel sharing details are known to general public and specially enemy states.
Then how did you got this information that they have those intel --- ps some Ruhani taqaat

Please tell me when did Indian Pilots tested 5 gen T-50,as it's like a car and any developer will let you sit in his Billion Dollor Project so i guess India's have flown F-35,22 and T-50.

Why should Indian pilot fly T-50, they should fly FGFA, now don't tell me you don't know what is FGFA, PAK-FA, PAK-DA

Indian IAF pilot Rakesh Sharma, was the first india to travel in space with Soviets, does it means Soviets shares all their data with Indians.

LOLZ. How much you twist the matter, and jump from one topic to another.

Pakistan is user of Military Grade BeiDou Navigation Satellite System,only so far after china itself.

So this is the real reason you was firm that china shares satellite data with pakistan.

HAHA

Thanks for showing thaat I cannot win from you.
On a serious note BeiDou is a navigational satellite not a spy satellite like what we have RISAT

Don't quote me, I don't want to waste time with a kid who have maustache and talk big
 
Cluster bombs and 1kiloton nuke has no comparison.
Specially when you are using it for high neutron influx to penetrate armored divisions


But did you consider the Nasr nukes as neutron bombs not nukes?
That configuration Is highly effective in penetrating armored vehicles in large area. That is what's fitted on Nasr missile
You didn't consider important points at all the neutron bomb is technology from cold war against soviet tanks which later was considered possibly useless after then enhanced use of NBC Suite and Thick layer of armor yes the armor thickness does have its effect upon breach of radiation or neutrons in a sealed tank. Furthermore There is no speculation that Pakistan is using neutron bomb at all because this tech was considered risky from beginning and could even hunt down the areas of predator not just the prey.
Furthermore Even if Nasr is neutron bomb used against large mechanized column the area of radiation will breach inside pakistan and slowly go towards cities and mass deaths can occur in any mighty way the use of nasr is more dangerous than neutron absorbing long range ballistic missiles that have large yield which uses nuclear shock and radiation only. Neutrons are far more dangerous imagine a small dose of radiation but big needle syringe versus small syringe with large dose of radiation still small syringe wins.

Anyway as I said that was what I found no need to correct me I know there are some flaws in my theory.
 
Military Grade BeiDou Navigation Satellite System is fully operation system,we are actively using that system for our UCAV fleet.
to check the biggest profileration of nuclear weapon in the world.
That case kid,no one gives a fk about it.
Don't quote me, I don't want to waste time with a kid who have maustache and talk big
kid i have been in this field for last full decade,this is an online forum where everything is not shared with every tom dick and harry.
Pakistan and China have immense Military cooperation,even our pilots use to fly there fighters from these bases.
On a serious note BeiDou is a navigational satellite not a spy satellite like what we have RISAT
I said kid,it's Military Grade Navigation System they provided us,there is difference between civilian and Military Grade Service.

Why should Indian pilot fly T-50, they should fly FGFA, now don't tell me you don't know what is FGFA, PAK-FA, PAK-DA
So,FGFA would be all new design,i don't think and now that T-50 is single seat while FGFA would be duel seat made on same lines as Su-30mki.
Dismiss.
 
Military Grade BeiDou Navigation Satellite System is fully operation system,we are actively using that system for our UCAV fleet.

That case kid,no one gives a fk about it.

kid i have been in this field for last full decade,this is an online forum where everything is not shared with every tom dick and harry.
Pakistan and China have immense Military cooperation,even our pilots use to fly there fighters from these bases.

I said kid,it's Military Grade Navigation System they provided us,there is difference between civilian and Military Grade Service.


So,FGFA would be all new design,i don't think and now that T-50 is single seat while FGFA would be duel seat made on same lines as Su-30mki.
Dismiss.

I told you don't quote me, with such illogical, unstable, jumping from one topic to another post

First you says Chinese share all intel data even satellite imaganary data from her spy satellite to monitor indian movement in realtime, then jump to Beidou navigational satellite inputs of military grade. -- Either civil or military how the hell its going to spy indian movement. Do you have any ellementory knowledge of the satellite.

Then any dom dick and harry don't have the information, that means you are not in that dom dick and harry and have full information of such secrets

Get some knowledge on FGFA, which is based on T-50, which is a tech demostrator, and Indian FGFA would be smaller, with composite rather than titanium, less agile and more stealthy, with indian own EW suite and Mission computer than the PAK-FA or PAK-DA, So in short it will be different plane.

OK KIDDO don't quote me again
 
Article written by pervaiz hoodbhoy...
No further discussion needed...

Exactly opposite can be concluded just by reading the writers name
 

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