Pakistan’s Middle Class Soars as Stability Returns

[Rain]

try hard, you can hide behind any flag, but you can't hide your indian smell


I don't care about negatives or positives, in fact i give a damn----but please tell me are you ashamed to be indian? why you need to hide behind other flags?

Hamid gul ke chayly hona, isliye akal ke andhe ho jo har kisi ko india ka agent/indian samajte ho. sharam karo apni sooch per.

Sorry for this copy past job:

Unlike most modern states, Britain does not have a codified constitution but an unwritten one formed of Acts of Parliament, court judgments and conventions. Professor Robert Blackburn explains this system, including Magna Carta's place within it, and asks whether the UK should now have a written constitution.

You know Magna Carta was written on a single piece of paper.

No need to over complicate things and have huge constitution like we have which on many occasions contradict itself due to many tinkering and all. Thing is, the guiding principles do not change with the passage of time. The foundations and principals , first state of Madina was build upon are valid till the day of judgement.

All we need is to have a brain storming session of Ullema from all sects in Pakistan, agree upon the set of these guiding principals which they understand about the first state of Madina according to their own teaching of sects and give a united sets of TODOs and leave those out which they dont agree upon. That will be our magna carta. Follow it in the letter and spirit without any softening or comprise.
How ignorant are you Sir. you know thing about constitution of Pakistan, you know nothing about Islam, you nothing about Mullanas. and abve all you no nothing about our socia-political history of Pakistani politics and that of Islamic world. how ignorant. go and read before you start selling ur own ignorance.
Our current constitution has lived its shelf life, it cannot take us any further.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Hamid gul ke chayly hona, isliye akal ke andhe ho jo har kisi ko india ka agent/indian samajte ho. sharam karo apni sooch per.

what the hell??? Why are you quoting me in reply to someone else?

 

[PWFI]

Hamid gul ke chayly hona, isliye akal ke andhe ho jo har kisi ko india ka agent/indian samajte ho. sharam karo apni sooch per.

Listen me littel sh!t i don't need your advices, go and clean your pampers and go back to school

check it the smell is from something burning from your behind . now shoo.. you quoted me first. I ain't a troll like you. merda da babaca, sai da ai.

no it's your indian smell, va te faire foutre sale merde !

 

[A.M.]

Consumer spending rockets as poverty shrinks, terrorism drops and democracy holds

This got nothing to do with democracy. We need to delink all the good that is happening in Pakistan with democracy. In its present shape, democracy in Pakistan is nothing but pure evil, a tool of forigen powers to keep Pakistan in perpetual struggle.

Are you really that clueless? You think Musharraf wasn't backed by foreign powers? What about Zia-ul-haq?

Stop pretending to be so ignorant. We need stability in Pakistan and most importantly, stability from the perspective of politics. We need smooth transitions of power from leader to another, just how the majority of the progressive world. I couldn't believe that the transition from Zardari to Nawaz was the first time in Pakistan's history that such a thing happened. And I hope it'll happen again in 2018.

The fact that you were up voted by multiple people is highly troubling to say the least.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Are you really that clueless? You think Musharraf wasn't backed by foreign powers? What about Zia-ul-haq?

Stop pretending to be so ignorant. We need stability in Pakistan and most importantly, stability from the perspective of politics. We need smooth transitions of power from leader to another, just how the majority of the progressive world. I couldn't believe that the transition from Zardari to Nawaz was the first time in Pakistan's history that such a thing happened. And I hope it'll happen again in 2018.

The fact that you were up voted by multiple people is highly troubling to say the least.

Sunshine, keep this debate civil without being personal, otherwise, I will take you to the cleaners.

NOW

What is your definition of being backed or supported by west. Zia was supported by west when he was taking on the soviets, because it was a mutually beneficial arrangement.

With the likes of Zardari and Nawaz with their cash and looted money stacked outside in the banks of forigen powers, it becomes a "one way street" because then it is a case of you do what you are told to do. Then you become a liability to the state.

So keep this facade of democracy to yourself.

 

[Asim B.]

What system or shape of democracy would you rather have?

Every single stable stable democracy went through these growth pains. System will mature over time after trial and error. There is no Messiah coming to solve all our problems.

Democracy is a fraud and Western imperialist creation to culturally dominate their former colonies. only people with slave mentality like brown sahibs support this fraud of democracy.

Are you really that clueless? You think Musharraf wasn't backed by foreign powers? What about Zia-ul-haq?

Stop pretending to be so ignorant. We need stability in Pakistan and most importantly, stability from the perspective of politics. We need smooth transitions of power from leader to another, just how the majority of the progressive world. I couldn't believe that the transition from Zardari to Nawaz was the first time in Pakistan's history that such a thing happened. And I hope it'll happen again in 2018.

The fact that you were up voted by multiple people is highly troubling to say the least.

Zia was working with Americans because there wasn alignment of interests, not because Zia was a sellout. Every country does this. However in the case of current political leadership they are sellouts through and through. Your beloved zardaris and sharifs are not only sellouts but cowards and traitors who will sell Pakistan to the highest bidder. Zia was a soldier. However musharaf is also a sellout just dont compare these looters and sellouts to the great General Zia, a man from a generation that saved Pakistan from atheistic communism.

 

[Kyoto]

Pakistan is just seen as the slightly quieter twin of Afghanistan by most western people. Its a shame that they have been conditioned so that the first mention of the name brings up 'terrorist' or 'immigrant' rather than seeing it for the vast emerging country that it is.

 

[Asim B.]

Hamid gul ke chayly hona, isliye akal ke andhe ho jo har kisi ko india ka agent/indian samajte ho. sharam karo apni sooch per.

tum log ghadar aur western chamchey hoo. you liberals are the biggest sellouts to Pakistan and its people. you might have a inferiorty complex vis a vis the West b ut don't try to impose that on the rest of Pakistan. We Pakistanis are a proud ISLAMIC nation with ISLAMIC roots in our history and Muslim blood runs through our veins from men like Ibn Qasim, Tipu, Gaznavi, Ghauri, Abdali, Sher Shah, etc... You might think you are descendant of Geroge Bush or Tony Blair and Churchill but we are not. Don't impose your slave mentality on us.

 

[A.M.]

Sunshine, keep this debate civil without being personal, otherwise, I will take you to the cleaners.

NOW

What is your definition of being backed or supported by west. Zia was supported by west when he was taking on the soviets, because it was a mutually beneficial arrangement.

With the likes of Zardari and Nawaz with their cash and looted money stacked outside in the banks of forigen powers, it becomes a "one way street" because then it is a case of you do what you are told to do. Then you become a liability to the state.

So keep this facade of democracy to yourself.

Lol, look at this keyboard warrior here.

Zia sold himself to the west to retain power in the country. In return, he did what the US asked him to do which is lay the foundations of the terrorism that we are fighting even today. Dictators do whatever it takes to hold on to power even if it means selling out the national interests.

Pakistan was in the gutter for 60 years of its because of people like Zia and Musharraf cutting one another down and selling themselves to the highest bidder. And for the record, Imran tried the same thing in 2013/2014.

Democracy is a fraud and Western imperialist creation to culturally dominate their former colonies. only people with slave mentality like brown sahibs support this fraud of democracy.


Zia was working with Americans because there wasn alignment of interests, not because Zia was a sellout. Every country does this. However in the case of current political leadership they are sellouts through and through. Your beloved zardaris and sharifs are not only sellouts but cowards and traitors who will sell Pakistan to the highest bidder. Zia was a soldier. However musharaf is also a sellout just dont compare these looters and sellouts to the great General Zia, a man from a generation that saved Pakistan from atheistic communism.

All generals who took over the legislative branch of Pakistan were wrong and hungry for power. Fact.

Why didn't Raheel topple Nawaz to fight Terrorism?

Your argument is illogical.

 

[Bouncer]

Democracy is a fraud and Western imperialist creation to culturally dominate their former colonies. only people with slave mentality like brown sahibs support this fraud of democracy.

Democracy isn't any particular civilization's invention. It is Allah's gift to humanity through the grant of free will and ability to think. And it is clearly ordained in Islam.

You can associate it with Western civilization because it is hip these days to bash anything the West does, even if it is good. It's your opinion. I am personally satisfied that Alhamdulillah Pakistan is moving towards a stable and robust democratic system. Slowly but surely.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Lol, look at this keyboard warrior here.

Zia sold himself to the west to retain power in the country. In return, he did what the US asked him to do which is lay the foundations of the terrorism that we are fighting even today. Dictators do whatever it takes to hold on to power even if it means selling out the national interests.

Pakistan was in the gutter for 60 years of its because of people like Zia and Musharraf cutting one another down and selling themselves to the highest bidder. And for the record, Imran tried the same thing in 2013/2014.

Sunshine, remind me what Zia "sold" himself for? Surrey palaces? Mayfair flats? Foundries? Offshore companies? Forigen bank accounts? Go on tell me, since you are acting smart arses which I know you aren't.

Educate yourself what Afghan war was all about.

 

[Asim B.]

Democracy isn't any particular civilization's invention. It is Allah's gift to humanity through the grant of free will and ability to think. And it is clearly ordained in Islam.

You can associate it with Western civilization because it is hip these days to bash anything the West does, even if it is good. It's your opinion. I am personally satisfied that Alhamdulillah Pakistan is moving towards a stable and robust democratic system. Slowly but surely.

"Allah's gift for humanity" lol don't insult Allah (swt) with such nonsense.

Democracy is a failure, perhaps the biggest failure of a government considering that only liars, crooks, traitors and thieves com to power through such a crappy system. I can see why our former colonial masters left us such a system to keep us down.

Allah (swt) gave us the best system based on Quran and Sunnah. We don't need a man made system from some suckular Westerners to govern ourselves with. It clearly has done is no good.

 

[Asim B.]

Lol, look at this keyboard warrior here.

Zia sold himself to the west to retain power in the country. In return, he did what the US asked him to do which is lay the foundations of the terrorism that we are fighting even today. Dictators do whatever it takes to hold on to power even if it means selling out the national interests.

Pakistan was in the gutter for 60 years of its because of people like Zia and Musharraf cutting one another down and selling themselves to the highest bidder. And for the record, Imran tried the same thing in 2013/2014.


All generals who took over the legislative branch of Pakistan were wrong and hungry for power. Fact.

Why didn't Raheel topple Nawaz to fight Terrorism?

Your argument is illogical.

Not General Zia. He did not sell anything, do you have proof that he sold Pakistan out like the suckular politicians like Ghadari, Nawaz, Musharraf and co. All traitors.

Zia was a man of honor, a true soldier. Along with Hamid Gul and Akhtar he was one of our greatest sons of our soil along with the Shuhada. Zia had a great vision for Pakistan for which his enemies deemed him too dangerous and had him assassinated.

 

[That Guy]

Every country has its own dynamics, culture and history. To say that some western countries have had success and becuase of that, it must be "assumed" infact have blind faith that in Pakistan democracy will bring similar succuess, that thought itself is pathetic and reek of slave mentality. The ground realities are, the most ecnomonic and prosperty came into Pakistan during the times of dictatorships, infact Zia time was considered to be the most prosperous.

The Pakistani version of democracy where it has become a concubine of few families and their offspring, has done nothing but damage its credentials in the eyes of Pakistanis. This democracy cannot take Pakistan any further without proper surgery being done, and we dont have time to wait and let it "evolve" as it wont happen, you have a line of succession going in the political mafia and their clan.

You do realize the irony of your comment, don't you? You accused democracy of being a tool of foreign powers to control Pakistan, but forget that it has always been the dictators that have constantly sold out Pakistan's sovereignty; Even the reason why Pakistan is in this war on terror is because Musharraf gave into US demands, virtually turning the ISI into bounty hunters, before he was kicked out.

Pakistan has plenty of time, and Pakistani democracy WILL evolve, because that is the nature of democracy.

If you think dictatorship wouldn't led to oligarchy, you're sadly mistaken, all you need to do is look at Pakistan's economic situation (where the army still has a hand in a good chunk of industry within Pakistan); If not Pakistan, look at every other dictatorship.

"Allah's gift for humanity" lol don't insult Allah (swt) with such nonsense.

Democracy is a failure, perhaps the biggest failure of a government considering that only liars, crooks, traitors and thieves com to power through such a crappy system. I can see why our former colonial masters left us such a system to keep us down.

A system they use themselves, and has served them faithfully, time and again; for good and for ill.

Allah (swt) gave us the best system based on Quran and Sunnah. We don't need a man made system from some suckular Westerners to govern ourselves with. It clearly has done is no good.

Than why are you living in the UK? Ignoring your governing system argument, if you hate the west so much, why do you live in a western country? Isn't it hypocritical of you to criticize the west, while living a comfortable life in the west?

Democracy isn't the problem, your flawed ideas are.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

You do realize the irony of your comment, don't you? You accused democracy of being a tool of foreign powers to control Pakistan, but forget that it has always been the dictators that have constantly sold out Pakistan's sovereignty; Even the reason why Pakistan is in this war on terror is because Musharraf gave into US demands, virtually turning the ISI into bounty hunters, before he was kicked out.

Pakistan has plenty of time, and Pakistani democracy WILL evolve, because that is the nature of democracy.

If you think dictatorship wouldn't led to oligarchy, you're sadly mistaken, all you need to do is look at Pakistan's economic situation (where the army still has a hand in a good chunk of industry within Pakistan); If not Pakistan, look at every other dictatorship.

NO there is no irony and contradiction in my reply to you.

Dictators never sold the soverinity of Pakistan however Musharraf was a useful idiot and thought himself of some sort of Allama and screwed up all the hard work in Afghanistan which state of Pakistan did before him. His enlightened moderation non sense did some serious damage to our society. BUT you cannot say that he was a traitor.

Having said that, the so called "Democrats " who followed him, what was stopping them to take Pakistan out of this WOT mess? Do I have to remind you they were bigger boot licker of west then Musharraf, with one of them still trying to feed on crums in America these days in a hope that he can be proppled into power again in Pakistan with Washington blessing.

You are naive if you think this sexually transmitted democracy in Pakistan is for the people, by the people and from the people, nothing but hold of few families and mafias. They are already aligning their miserable offsprings to rule over us. This ain't democracy this is feudalism on a grand scale.

Pakistan needs a ruthless surgery. And the institutions needs to be strength with professionals at the helm not the incompetent buffoons these "Democrats " have installed due to political allegiances. Once that's is done and irreversible, you can have your democracy.