Pakistan's Loss: A Disaster or a Blessing

[Nilgiri]

Wow. That is shocking. Looking at the graph you would have to go back to 1950s Pakistan. Shockingly low use of oil.

That's actually all energy, not just oil. Its just given in terms of oil.

The more you go into this, the more hollow stuff becomes. Anyways, I wont bore you with it, I will let it play out there in real world.

Its just super strange isn't it, that after the initial export of something, it never comes up again....and never materialises in sustained exports for BD. Flash in the pan stuff....I just want to see actual sustained and traveled trail for the vaunted non-RMG stuff....given even RMG seems to be slowing down big time now for BD.

 

[UKBengali]

Fact: the destruction of Two Nation Theory was a blessing for Bangladesh. There is no way
Wow. That is shocking. Looking at the graph you would have to go back to 1950s Pakistan. Shockingly low use of oil.

2014 data - 5 years out of date.

You aware that electricity production in BD has doubled in just the last 5 years?

Yes back in 2014, BD had very low energy consumption but that is no longer the case.

Do not be misled by a guy who cherry picks data to suit his narrative.

Edit - Check out the below:

https://www.daily-sun.com/printvers...0/26/Power-consumption-to-quadruple-by-2021--

"The government is planning to boost the country’s electricity consumption four times by 2021 to facilitate increased economic activities and make the power infrastructure fit for graduation to a middle-income status.

“Our per capita electricity consumption soared to 464 kilowatts-hours now from only 220kwh in 2009. We are planning to raise the consumption to 1700kwh to facilitate the country’s graduation to a middle-income status under Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s leadership,” State Minister for Power and Energy Nasrul Hamid told daily sun."

 

[Indus Pakistan]

2014 data - 5 years out of date.

You aware that electricity production in BD has doubled in just the last 5 years?

Yes back in 2014, BD had very low energy consumption but that is no longer the case.

Do not be misled by a guy who cherry picks data to suit his narrative.

Edit - Check out the below:

https://www.daily-sun.com/printvers...0/26/Power-consumption-to-quadruple-by-2021--

"The government is planning to boost the country’s electricity consumption four times by 2021 to facilitate increased economic activities and make the power infrastructure fit for graduation to a middle-income status.

“Our per capita electricity consumption soared to 464 kilowatts-hours now from only 220kwh in 2009. We are planning to raise the consumption to 1700kwh to facilitate the country’s graduation to a middle-income status under Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s leadership,” State Minister for Power and Energy Nasrul Hamid told daily sun."

I see your point but 2014 is only 5 years ago. The car I bought that year is still parked outside my driveway in pretty same condition. But enlighten me more about your RMG. Why did it take off so fast and to what degree if any did import preferances play a role?

 

[Fledgingwings]

But it is true that these Pakistanis seem butt-hurt that BD has surpassed them even in nominal GDP, with 20% less population.
Their 1971 narrative of being better off without BD is now totally destroyed.
Imagine if current per capita growth rates are maintained till 2030 - BD would be twice as rich by then.

I will personally give you a hats off as a pakistani the day when no other fellow country men of yours have to pick up from garbage drums in saudi arabia,something I saw myself which broke my heart and then I thought about myself that day and said Alhamdulillah ! I am better than them.Till then you need to take anti pakistan obsession pills and relax.we spend more on our defence because we have to,something you as a bengali whos 1600 ks away would never realise and understand.

 

[Nilgiri]

2014 data - 5 years out of date.

You aware that electricity production in BD has doubled in just the last 5 years?

Yes back in 2014, BD had very low energy consumption but that is no longer the case.

Do not be misled by a guy who cherry picks data to suit his narrative.

Edit - Check out the below:

https://www.daily-sun.com/printvers...0/26/Power-consumption-to-quadruple-by-2021--

"The government is planning to boost the country’s electricity consumption four times by 2021 to facilitate increased economic activities and make the power infrastructure fit for graduation to a middle-income status.

“Our per capita electricity consumption soared to 464 kilowatts-hours now from only 220kwh in 2009. We are planning to raise the consumption to 1700kwh to facilitate the country’s graduation to a middle-income status under Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s leadership,” State Minister for Power and Energy Nasrul Hamid told daily sun."

LOL back to electricity consumption is massive proportion of total energy consumption.

Tell me what does 464 kwh amount to in oil equivalent?

Even a BD pleb complaining "British are WAISSSSIST" while living there like an ingrate.....can do basic math?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistan's economic situation is no one's business but Pakistanis alone. We understand the reasons for our current difficulties, and it isn't any failure of our heritage, culture, race, language, founding fathers, cuisine, religion, or any other tertiary issue.

We have been ruled by corrupt dynasties and dictators, and none has damaged us more than the previous 3 governments. Pakistan is rising up again now with the PTI and we are actually taking active steps to undo the damage wrought by the corrupt.

BD should not be pointing fingers at Pakistan or chastising us, as the current situation can easily be reversed. If BD finds itself in economic hardships, I can see many BD posters speaking a totally different tune (similar to Indians post Balakot failure.)

The two in incomparable, please learn to discuss your economic fortunes or troubles without mentioning Pakistan.

Thanks.

 

[UKBengali]

I see your point but 2014 is only 5 years ago. The car I bought that year is still parked outside my driveway in pretty same condition. But enlighten me more about your RMG. Why did it take off so fast and to what degree if any did import preferances play a role?

RMG had 3 major reasons as to why it has taken off so fast:

1. Very low wages of the BD workforce in the past but the gap with India and Pakistan has narrowed over time.

2. Very high participation of female workforce that are hardworking and do not cause workplace issues.

3. BD governments have always supported the garment industry(tax and energy availability) as they realise the critical importance of this industry to the overall economy.

Yes, LDC status did play a part in the rise but it is not the only reason. While after the GSP was taken away, exports to US have not risen they have not fallen either. This shows that BD products are competitive at least.

If you look at exports to India, they are showing a dramatic change since 2016 - have been rising by 50% a year average for the last 2 years. I think this trend will continue for a few more years till India is another multi-billion dollar US export market for BD. The BD-India relationship is turning out to be one of the most important for BD in the coming decades. Not only will India take in a sizeable chunk of BD exports but cheap and clean hydro-power from both Bhutan and Nepal will start flowing into BD.

LOL back to electricity consumption is massive proportion of total energy consumption.

Tell me what does 464 kwh amount to in oil equivalent?

As if other sectors of energy usage did not also massively increase as well in your reality?!

 

[Nilgiri]

I see your point but 2014 is only 5 years ago.

Not to mention when it comes to electricity, thats like 10 - 20%, maybe 30% (accounting for distribution losses etc) at best of the total energy that BD consumes.

Lets say its 30% for best case scenario. 30% improving means ignoring how the 70% of energy consumption is doing. Again it will be borne out by the figures in the end. I can dig up some recent figures again (I think BP has some etc), dont wanna really waste too much time on all that....but I remember last time I looked, BD was still increasing in total energy by about the same pace it has in the world bank graph (from 2009 - 2014....i.e a few kigs of oil each year more per capita).

Just like how when you get locked into the BD media and BD govt news about this and that (that gets spam posted here)....ppl ignore what the majority issues on the ground actually are.....some of them do dare to rub against the grain though (this is the real household income DECLINE in BD I was referencing):

https://opinion.bdnews24.com/2017/12/18/where-did-the-benefits-of-economic-growth-disappear/

Sometimes the more you push and focus the spearhead narrative (1% dreamy head), the more the 99% body suffers because you dump all the inflation/malaise on them....and give them few ways to cope....because they are just trying to earn a basic living out there rather than preen and posture about politician and media self-appraising waffle...but the 1% controls the narrative and whats projected out there etc...

Thus its always healthy to keep balanced perspective on such things when something sounds a bit too good to be true is what I am saying....(given I am sure you have come across and interacted with Bangaldeshis in UK and made an opinion if there is anything spark and special)

As if other sectors of energy usage did not also massively increase as well in your reality?!

You want me to find the recent numbers and shut you up again?

 

[UKBengali]

You want me to find the recent numbers and shut you up again?

No, I am not interested in your unhealthy obsession with BD and finding "statistics" to back up your narrative.

Now, can you find the last post that I made in the Indian Defence Section on PDF and tell everyone the date of that please?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

interacted with Bangaldeshis in UK

I have very low opinion of the ones in UK.

 

[Nilgiri]

Since the "britishers are all waissist" pleb wont shut up:


https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/b...l-review/bp-stats-review-2018-full-report.pdf

How ironic its BP lol:

Maybe he can do MATH STRONK, BD kids are excelling in GCSE now STRONK and do the per capita calculation

Oh whats this?....why is Bangladesh total energy consumption growth SLOWING DOWN????? WHY IS IT NOT COMPOUNDING ACCORDING TO THE ELECTRICTIEIEIEIEIEEEEZ?

What happened to the haseena autocracy magic?!?!?! 3.6% growth on a level pakistan consumed in 50s/60s? Are you kidding me?....wrong fake news!

World Bank better not report this fake news on its data when it comes time to it!.....I mean just look how bad and out of whack BP and World bank are for the 2014 and prior period....just believe me

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Wow. That is shocking. Looking at the graph you would have to go back to 1950s Pakistan. Shockingly low use of oil.

Not all countries with similar socio-economic development require similar level of per capita energy consumption to function. Even within developed world, there is a huge variation on per capita energy use. At first look at South Asia. In 2014-

Bangladesh-222kg
Pakistan-484kg
India-637k

So, Pakistan's energy consumption is twice of Bangladesh and for India, it is 3 times. but such level of disparity can also be seen among the G7 countries(most developed economies in the world). In 2014-

Italy-2414kg
UK-2777kg
USA-6956kg
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE?end=2014&locations=US&start=1960

So, USA per capita energy use is 2-3 times of UK and Italy. For USA to match UK and Italy, you have to go back at least 100 years, not 1950s. Because even in 1960, US energy consumption was 5641 kg oil equivalent. Now it would be entirely absurd to claim that, UK and Italy's economy function similar like USA in early 1900.

There are several reason why Bangladesh's energy use per capita is less. Bangladesh's main industry, Garments is a low energy consuming industry. It requires mainly human labor. Bangladesh's private motor vehicle fleet is much smaller than India or Pakistan. In Bangladesh, private motor vehicle ownership is discouraged by imposing a very high tariff. Unlike in India, Bangladesh do not have high energy consuming heavy industries, like steel making, automobile manufacturing etc. Bangladesh electricity consumption in 2014 was much less than now. Our climate is much mild compared to many region in India or Pakistan. We do not need central heating during winter or demand of Air Conditioning in summer also less. Our temperature rarely drop below 10 degree Celsius in winter and rarely go beyond 38 degree Celsius in Summer. All these factors weigh on why Bangladesh has low per capita energy use compared to India or Pakistan.

@Black_cats @UKBengali

 

[Nilgiri]

Not all countries with similar socio-economic development require similar level of per capita energy consumption to function. Even within developed world, there is a huge variation on per capita energy use. At first look at South Asia. In 2014-

Bangladesh-222kg
Pakistan-484kg
India-637k

So, Pakistan's energy consumption is twice of Bangladesh and for India, it is 3 times. but such level of disparity can also be seen among the G7 countries(most developed economies in the world). In 2014-

Italy-2414kg
UK-2777kg
USA-6956kg
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE?end=2014&locations=US&start=1960

So, USA per capita energy use is 2-3 times of UK and Italy. For USA to match UK and Italy, you have to go back at least 100 years, not 1950s. Because even in 1960, US energy consumption was 5641 kg oil equivalent. Now it would be entirely absurd to claim that, UK and Italy's economy function similar like USA in early 1900.

There are several reason why Bangladesh's energy use per capita is less. Bangladesh's main industry, Garments is a low energy consuming industry. It requires mainly human labor. Bangladesh's private motor vehicle fleet is much smaller than India or Pakistan. In Bangladesh, private motor vehicle ownership is discouraged by imposing a very high tariff. Unlike in India, Bahnglades do not have high energy consuming heavy industries, like steel making, automobile manufacturing etc. Bangladesh electricity consumption in 2014 was much less than now. Our climate is much mild compared to many region in India or Pakistan. We do not need central heating during winter or demand of Air Conditioning in summer also less. Our temperature rarely drop below 10 degree Celcius in winter and rarely go beyond 38 degree Celcius in Summer. All these factors weigh on why Bangladesh has low per capita energy use compared to India or Pakistan.

@Black_cats @UKBengali

type all that instead of running a flee clinic (to help stop the drain of money to Indian hospitals by your peasantry)....and all that needs to be said to dispel is one word: Vietnam.

This is why BD exports stagnate now...too much waffle for feel good, instead of spending time for precise targetting and expansion in crucial areas. But then again, the typical BD person in the west clearly shows why this is the case.

 

[UKBengali]

type all that instead of running a flee clinic (to help stop the drain of money to Indian hospitals by your peasantry)....and all that needs to be said to dispel is one word: Vietnam.

This is why BD exports stagnate now...too much waffle for feel good, instead of spending time for precise targetting and expansion in crucial areas. But then again, the typical BD person in the west clearly shows why this is the case.

Stagnate?
13% increase in first 9 months of this fiscal over the same period last year says something else.
Your frustration at BD economic growth will just increase.

 

[UKBengali]

Not all countries with similar socio-economic development require similar level of per capita energy consumption to function. Even within developed world, there is a huge variation on per capita energy use. At first look at South Asia. In 2014-

Bangladesh-222kg
Pakistan-484kg
India-637k

So, Pakistan's energy consumption is twice of Bangladesh and for India, it is 3 times. but such level of disparity can also be seen among the G7 countries(most developed economies in the world). In 2014-

Italy-2414kg
UK-2777kg
USA-6956kg
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE?end=2014&locations=US&start=1960

So, USA per capita energy use is 2-3 times of UK and Italy. For USA to match UK and Italy, you have to go back at least 100 years, not 1950s. Because even in 1960, US energy consumption was 5641 kg oil equivalent. Now it would be entirely absurd to claim that, UK and Italy's economy function similar like USA in early 1900.

There are several reason why Bangladesh's energy use per capita is less. Bangladesh's main industry, Garments is a low energy consuming industry. It requires mainly human labor. Bangladesh's private motor vehicle fleet is much smaller than India or Pakistan. In Bangladesh, private motor vehicle ownership is discouraged by imposing a very high tariff. Unlike in India, Bangladesh do not have high energy consuming heavy industries, like steel making, automobile manufacturing etc. Bangladesh electricity consumption in 2014 was much less than now. Our climate is much mild compared to many region in India or Pakistan. We do not need central heating during winter or demand of Air Conditioning in summer also less. Our temperature rarely drop below 10 degree Celsius in winter and rarely go beyond 38 degree Celsius in Summer. All these factors weigh on why Bangladesh has low per capita energy use compared to India or Pakistan.

@Black_cats @UKBengali

Good Post.
We need to remember that BD came from only 70 at independence in 1971 - an idea of the level of discrimination against BD.
It looks like butt-hurt managed to convince the Pakistani poster but this will have no bearing on BD growth and development in the real world.