Pakistan's Loss: A Disaster or a Blessing

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Loss of East Pakistan was certainly painful event

Causes were simple

Flood and Cyclones Impacted Development on Equal Pace with Western Front

• Flood & Cyclones that impacted East Pakistan during 60s-70s , it was a 10 year period with flooding on regular yearly cycles.
• The Flooding in one region vs other impacted how the two Territories developed one on West and East, the western front was protected by such floods
• Also the source of Flood overflow was from India that impacted East Pakistan, and certainly there was a malicious intent
  
• Example of one such massive Cyclone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Bhola_cyclone just before war

As for the Argument , was it good for both regions or not well I am certain if proper DAM was constructed to divert the water from floods on East side thing could have improved however as you know War of 65 and 71 impacted financial side for Pakistan , we are still struggling to overcome energy shortages


In long term I do see ties to normalize however Bangladesh will have to revist their historic account and properly mention

1- Impact of Cyclone and Climate natural disaster on their zone (10 year history) which kept their economic development slow
2- Recognition of fact that Pakistan of 65-71 was a poor country and resources were not abundant
3- Admit that even after the seperate state formation the financial status of many local folks did not "DRASTICALLY" changed
4- In last years Pakistani Businessmen had attempted to move their textile industry to East Pakistan to help local folks with jobs

• More flood water released from India = More suffering in East Pakistan = Poverty, to Omit this from Historic account I think is serious mistake

Post 71 as flood situations improved marginally some financial growth took place which was natural

This was really the major issue in East Pakistan

The only reson West Pakistan may have appeared slightly more advance vs East was due to less frequent flooding and Cyclones as in East Pakistan

• 10 year cycle of Cyclones really what crippled eastern front and excessive water release from India into East Pakistan (Present day Bangladesh)

The present age Bangladesh , grew at just at same pace as it would have grown with Pakistan , when you remove impact of floods and cyclones you see the growth would be generally almost equal as all financial indicators show


Sonner or later educated Banglesh residents will realize various hidden part of history

 

[Mage]

Don't make me laugh.

Bangladesh more prosperous than Pakistan? Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

Pakistan is at:
$1,428

Bangladesh is at:
$1,292


Thats a significant difference.

2015 data? For Bangladesh 2015 is distant past. Now if you can post the 2017 data then you will understand many things.


I agree that Bangladesh is a very backward country. But exact same thing is true for Pakistan. Maybe even more than Bangladesh.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

In a very simplistic Economic term (Using simplistic numerical analogy)

If West Pakistan / East Pakistan were united Economy would have been

• 495 Poinst for West Pakistan
  
• 480 Points for East Pakistan (With anticipation India would stop flooding it with Flood every year)

As things stand when Pakistan / Bangladesh are seperate regions

• 525 Points for Pakistan
  
• 500 Points for Bangladesh (Certainly we hear less about floods in Bangladesh)

So hardly any major difference, the only big differnce has been India is not flooding Bangladesh as often as it used to between 1960-1970. Bangladesh faces such flooding now every 3-4 years vs flood every next year

 

[Cool_Soldier]

You were our part and we still love you but unfortunately some leadership that side created a biased environment and has become a part of our enemy's conspiracy.

 

[Bilal9]

Far from water being cut off, Bangladesh actually faces a severe flooding problem. If and when all major rivers experience peak flow at the same time, the only thing preventing Bangladesh from going totally under water is the dams that we built. And it's not as if you don't directly benefit either. India currently supplies 500-1,100 MW of electricity to Bangladesh, and will also supply all the surplus power from these hydro-electric projects as well. Instead of complaining you should be grateful.

Your comments are a bit simplistic, study hydrology much?? Your govt. floods us by opening the gates when Bihar and WB starts to flood in the wet season, it's the lean season when we need water and that's when water is withheld.

In upper North-West Bangladesh- the formerly lush rivershed areas have been turned into a desert because of the unilateral withholding of water by India, we even get less water than the amount agreed on paper.

It's almost tragicomic.

What we should have done is build a barrage for flooding India in that area right past the border. But the present Hasina regime is being too careful with India.

Farakka benefits Calcutta immensely, without water - there won't be hardly any draft on the Hooghly river. No building destroyers at GRSE, no exporting/importing items in Calcutta port. Hooghly would die and Calcutta would die with it.

Have you looked at a map lately? Can you tell me why India would want to place military installations on its Eastern side? Hint: It has NOTHING to do with Bangladesh, because there is a slightly larger security concern up north.

We know all that (China). My take is that we should build a few more cantonments near the chicken's neck and place some medium range missile batteries there. Also there are plans to place precision long range phased array warning radars there (CETC JY-27 VHF 2D radar) - for starters, to cover entire collection of NorthEast Indian airbases...

We want to keep illegal Bangladeshis out. Just as you would want to keep illegal Indians out. And we end up paying for something which is mutually desired. A simple "thanks" from you would suffice.

Keeping Illegals out is a typical Indian fetish and mostly of the fantasy variety. I guess discrimination on color, jaat, religion is legitimized and institutionalized in India. How is a rickshaw-puller (of whatever jaat or religion) threatening your livelihood?? There are hundreds of thousands of illegal Indians working in the garments industry in Dhaka. You can't (nor do you have the right to) stop people from getting a better livelihood and no one here cares. Small minds think about small things.

Okay this I must say is an area in which Indian government has not been particularly bright, and not just with Bangladesh. We have some very random exim policies and I concede this one.

You can concede this but your govt. won't. And until trade policies normalize, nothing will improve.

If and when an innocent Bangladeshi has died, as humans we will all regret that. However, you should understand that it all started with the barbaric killing of BSF jawans in 2001. Have the perpetrators been punished? Has there even been an official apology for that?

I think there has been lots of BGB killing too since then. BGB cannot take a hard stance which I think should be revised. Their hands are tied.

Kindly take off the tin foil hat right now. Unless you can identify a motive, even engaging in a discussion on this subject is futile. What exactly does India wish to achieve by arming insurgents?

It's called destabilization by proxy. All countries do it for strategic reasons, even the US does it, and I'm sorry - your country is not holier than the US.

My point is, we should be doing it too in India, but we don't. Payback should be paid using the same coin.....

As for interference in internal politics, for whatever it is worth, BNP is not as friendly towards India as Awami, so our preference is obvious. And who wouldn't like to keep Jamaat away from power?

BNP and AL are formed using human beings and they can be bought for a price. Right now India's kanjoosi overtures are not working for AL when China is a bigger, more reliable suitor. Capisce?

And finally, after all the trivialities, fell free to mention the real reason for your hostility towards India. Is it because of the insecurity of being from a smaller nation, in which case I can assure you we have no evil designs against Bangladesh. And if it is because of some indeterminable dislike because you view India as a "Hindu" nation, then feel free to take a hike.

Your assurances are all fine and dandy - but the actions of your govt. determines how your country is perceived here. Right now the perception of India is highly negative, and not because its a Hindu nation. We aren't as thick as you think, we know all about India.

 

[Lurch Adams]

Your comments are a bit simplistic, study hydrology much?? Your govt. floods us by opening the gates when Bihar and WB starts to flood in the wet season, it's the lean season when we need water and that's when water is withheld.

In upper North-West Bangladesh- the formerly lush rivershed areas have been turned into a desert because of the unilateral withholding of water by India, we even get less water than the amount agreed on paper.

Yeah you are right. We are not supposed to open the sluice gates when water rises in these rivers. Instead we should allow Bihar and West Bengal to be flooded because BD will not build an effective channel and storage system to take advantage of the surplus water. I am lucky not to know too much hydrology, if this is what it leads to.

What we should have done is build a barrage for flooding India in that area right past the border. But the present Hasina regime is being too careful with India.

Farakka benefits Calcutta immensely, without water - there won't be hardly any draft on the Hooghly river. No building destroyers at GRSE, no exporting/importing items in Calcutta port. Hooghly would die and Calcutta would die with it.

I think you should right a book - "How to make enemies where there were none"...

Are you seriously this morbid or you speak in jest?

We know all that (China). My take is that we should build a few more cantonments near the chicken's neck and place some medium range missile batteries there. Also there are plans to place precision long range phased array warning radars there (CETC JY-27 VHF 2D radar) - for starters, to cover entire collection of NorthEast Indian airbases...

Towards what end precisely? Some sort of special maneuvering as part of the new Axis of Evil? You are not even officially part of it yet. And when you do sign up, you will have Pakistan, North Korea and Sudan for company. Enjoy...

Keeping Illegals out is a typical Indian fetish and mostly of the fantasy variety. I guess discrimination on color, jaat, religion is legitimized and institutionalized in India. How is a rickshaw-puller (of whatever jaat or religion) threatening your livelihood?? There are hundreds of thousands of illegal Indians working in the garments industry in Dhaka. You can't (nor do you have the right to) stop people from getting a better livelihood and no one here cares. Small minds think about small things.

As young people nowadays say - LoL. Since the exact proportion of bhola-bhala and those with demographic warfare on their mind cannot be ascertained, it is best to keep all of them out. I could give you the example of the Bangladeshi rickshaw-puller in Delhi who, upon hearing me speak in Bengali, assumed I am Bangladeshi and told me all his plans. He had already "seeded" and abandoned a woman each in Kolkata and Agra, and after Delhi his next pit-stop was Jaipur. Not everyone is as innocent and nice as you are, it seems.

And it's not that we have any dearth of poor people to do those jobs. BD migrants work for a pittance and depress the wage rate - to be avoided.

I think there has been lots of BGB killing too since then. BGB cannot take a hard stance which I think should be revised. Their hands are tied.

Whoever starts something usually gets the blame. Unless you have some some special moral compass...

It's called destabilization by proxy. All countries do it for strategic reasons, even the US does it, and I'm sorry - your country is not holier than the US.

My point is, we should be doing it too in India, but we don't. Payback should be paid using the same coin.....

Correction - All countries do it for strategic reasons to their adversaries. US does not do it in Canada. You have a very wild imagination. You don't mindlessly sponsor trouble for all and sundry. Unless you can come up with a tangible reason, take off the tin foil hat.

As for BD being so blameless, it is only now that AL is in power that BD has stopped being a conduit for smuggling arms, insurgents and fake notes has somewhat abated. Which world do you live in that you are not aware of the Purulia Arms Drop case?

And are you not aware that before the 2011 crackdown ULFA used to literally operate out of BD? If not for Hasina, Indo-BD relations would be quite precarious indeed.

BNP and AL are formed using human beings and they can be bought for a price. Right now India's kanjoosi overtures are not working for AL when China is a bigger, more reliable suitor. Capisce?

Why do some BD members think that there is some race to win the "hearts and minds" of Bangladeshis where India and China are dying to woo the BD damsel? If there is business to be done, it will be done. Otherwise feel free to hug China as tightly as you want and tell us after a decade how the experience is.

Unless you are okay with selling a port and the adjoining District to the Chinese (like Gwadar), something tells me you will come running back to Daddy.

Your assurances are all fine and dandy - but the actions of your govt. determines how your country is perceived here. Right now the perception of India is highly negative, and not because its a Hindu nation. We aren't as thick as you think, we know all about India.

Those who perceive India negatively are a diverse group. Some may have genuine misgivings but a majority who do so are viewing India through a religious prism. Do you know any Jamaat supporter who likes India? Is it by accident?

Well, I cannot claim to know all about a country of 160 million formed in 1971 who speak the same language and share the same culture. But you know everything about India - makes perfect sense.

 

[Bilal9]

^^^

Arguing with you is more or less pointless because you see the world from a naive Indian lens. Your comments notwithstanding - I believe we have beat this somewhat OT discussion to death.

I've put across some valid points and you keep harping on the same Indian Dadagiri view that India has fed us for the last four decades (that India is our 'Daddy'). I'd like you to account for what we gained for India being our Daddy - other than being one of their largest convenient consumer market for their sub-par products - to the tune of at least $10 billion a year. A trade boycott of India is long overdue and I will be a happy man when I finally see it.

India has nothing new to offer to Bangladesh and is no friend of Bangladesh. Even AL followers realize this. This is not an extreme view, go ask anyone in Dhaka on the street - see what they say. Your actions as a country prove your intentions.

In spite of what happened in 1971 - Bangladeshis well-realize that the entire sordid episode culminating in 1971 was the machination of RaW and hatched from Lodhi Road in New Delhi starting in the early 1950's (as RN Kao's account has proven). India did not 'liberate' Bangladesh, it simply followed its own plan to 'break' Pakistan as planned by Nehru and later Indira Gandhi. And East/West Pakistanis fought each other just as planned.

The fact that the Punjabi/Sindhi administration in Pakistan could not see through this scheme and deal with it in alternate fashion is another discussion, but the sum total end-result is that India has succeeded in reducing a double-flanked threat - although I'd say temporarily.

Ultimately you cannot keep a nation of 160 million people down. You can try however. That is the miscalculation from the Indian administration.

Now that Bangladesh is not part of Pakistan, your country wants to reduce the threat to zero by neutering our armed forces. Well let's see where that goes.

 

[Bilal9]

^^^

By the way @Lurch Adams, most of the fundamentalist terrorists' upsurge of arms, explosives and ammunition activity in Bangladesh is being supplied by Indian sources (which is acknowledged by local intelligence authorities), now if India looks the other way, then we have to surmise that this sort of proxy destabilization effort in Bangladesh has the tacit approval of the Indian administration if it fails to do something about it. India has continued this effort of weakening surrounding countries (even Pakistan) on a continual basis since its independence.

Look at this (I hope you can read Bengali).

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/4-suspected-militants-killed-in-bangladesh-raid.483824/#post-9304248

 

[Lurch Adams]

^^^

Arguing with you is more or less pointless because you see the world from a naive Indian lens. Your comments notwithstanding - I believe we have beat this somewhat OT discussion to death.

I've put across some valid points and you keep harping on the same Indian Dadagiri view that India has fed us for the last four decades (that India is our 'Daddy'). I'd like you to account for what we gained for India being our Daddy - other than being one of their largest convenient consumer market for their sub-par products - to the tune of at least $10 billion a year. A trade boycott of India is long overdue and I will be a happy man when I finally see it.

India has nothing new to offer to Bangladesh and is no friend of Bangladesh. Even AL followers realize this. This is not an extreme view, go ask anyone in Dhaka on the street - see what they say. Your actions as a country prove your intentions.

In spite of what happened in 1971 - Bangladeshis well-realize that the entire sordid episode culminating in 1971 was the machination of RaW and hatched from Lodhi Road in New Delhi starting in the early 1950's (as RN Kao's account has proven). India did not 'liberate' Bangladesh, it simply followed its own plan to 'break' Pakistan as planned by Nehru and later Indira Gandhi. And East/West Pakistanis fought each other just as planned.

The fact that the Punjabi/Sindhi administration in Pakistan could not see through this scheme and deal with it in alternate fashion is another discussion, but the sum total end-result is that India has succeeded in reducing a double-flanked threat - although I'd say temporarily.

Ultimately you cannot keep a nation of 160 million people down. You can try however. That is the miscalculation from the Indian administration.

Now that Bangladesh is not part of Pakistan, your country wants to reduce the threat to zero by neutering our armed forces. Well let's see where that goes.

Look, the rest of your post is personal opinion, so let's just drop it. Although there is one point I would like some clarification on, if you feel like it. What did the sustained ill-treatment of East Pakistan by the Punjabi/Mohajir combine and refusing to allow Mujibur his right to form a government have to do with India? Did we tell West Pakistan to follow a policy of exploiting the East and being racist towards their fellow countrymen? Did we ask them to ignore the election results? For that matter, it all started with precluding Suhrawardy from becoming PM which was also his right. Did we orchestrate that as well?

I find your nostalgia and love for Pakistan very touching. Have you cross-checked with all those who were brutalised by the Punjabi Army how they feel about it?

 

[Bilal9]

Look, the rest of your post is personal opinion, so let's just drop it. Although there is one point I would like some clarification on, if you feel like it. What did the sustained ill-treatment of East Pakistan by the Punjabi/Mohajir combine and refusing to allow Mujibur his right to form a government have to do with India? Did we tell West Pakistan to follow a policy of exploiting the East and being racist towards their fellow countrymen? Did we ask them to ignore the election results? For that matter, it all started with precluding Suhrawardy from becoming PM which was also his right. Did we orchestrate that as well?

I find your nostalgia and love for Pakistan very touching. Have you cross-checked with all those who were brutalised by the Punjabi Army how they feel about it?

The refusal of Bhutto and the then administration in Islamabad to let Mujib form a Govt. Was a combination of,
1. The obtuseness of Bhutto's personal nature, and
2. The Pakistan administration's belief that Mujib had already sold out to India (Agartala conspiracy), and
3. The india-leaning intelligentsia (mostly Hindu unfortunately) in Dhaka University using students to further their destabilization goals in East Pakistan. THIS IS PROVEN as a handiwork of RaW.

Who was the bad guy in all this? We definitely cannot rule out Indian complicity.

Pakistani generals played right into Indian trickery. Just like you are trying to convince me about Pakistani racism right now. And I won't fall for it.....I know too many Pakistanis and Indians personally to judge for myself....

Pakistanis weren't really racist when the Adamjee and Bawani families set up massive jute and cotton Mills in the East. They could have easily set this up in the West just as well. These people lost everything in the 1971 war.

I think some Pakistani MLA's were less than intelligent (to put it mildly) but they weren't out and out racist to us all the time. Just trying to make the best of a bad situation with whatever means they had, which meant going to extreme measures at times.

In fact Mujib himself proposed self-rule with separate currency/economy but a common army as I've read. We would've had this if not for Bhutto's obtuse moves.

And I hope you'd stop with the "masi loves you more than mommy" routine.

We have had ample example of that love in the last forty years....

We in Bangladesh gave blood for our own language, more than our fair share. It is the seventh largest language in the world, because of our sacrifice.

What would a person in Calcutta know about that, who speak Hindi in every sphere of their life?

It is because of us you can write BengalI in Instagram and Snapchat, and FB.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

 

[PakSword]

Guys,before blaming me for starting another 1971 related thread,let me explain to you that,I have posted this only because, a lot of negative prediction were made in this article regarding the future of Bangladesh which we proved wrong.This article was published in New York Times,25th,December 1971.
Pakistan's Loss: A Disaster or a Blessing
By MALCOLM W. BROWNE DEC. 25, 1971





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December 25, 1971, Page 4 The New York Times Archives


RAWALPINDI, Pakistan, Dec. 24—Before her two sectors were parted, Pakistan was sometimes likened to a pair of Siamese twins, one of whom was diseased and constantly at death's door.

The Indian Army has now separated the twins and inadvertently may have saved the life of the healthy one. In the eyes of even the most sophisticated Pakistani, the loss of East Pakistan is a disaster. The military humiliation was excruciating to a Moslem nation that despises Indians as “idol‐worshiping cow‐lovers.”

The trauma of losing more than half the population will affect all Pakistanis for many years.

Friends and relatives have been lost in the East, in some cases murdered by revengeseeking Bengali militants. Businessmen will have to do without their branches in Dacca or Chittagong.

Even the social life of West Pakistanis will be affected.

Thanks to a century of British rule, Pakistanis became nation of tea drinkers, and tea breaks are a part of office routine, business conferences and the daily life of the population.


`Tea Party Is Over’

Now, as Pakistan's new President, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, has told his people, “The tea party is over.” All of Pakistan's tea was grown in the East.

The nation has lost 54,500 square miles of land, 61 per cent of which is arable. The West retains 310,000 square miles, of which only 21 per cent is arable.

The forest resources of Pakistan were virtually all in the East. This means that paper will he even scarcer and more expensive than it is now.

Most serious of all, Pakistan has lost the jute grown in the East, which traditionally accounted for about half the nation's foreign‐exchange earnings.

But Pakistan still has its name: The word “Pakistan” is taken from letters of the words Punjab, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Sind and Baluchistan. Bengal, or East Pakistan, was never part of the name.

Much more important, Pakistan now has a chance to develop fairly rapidly from the wretched backwardness that has characterized the nation up to now.

The West has a small but growing industrial base whose production has doubled in the last 20 years to about 12 per cent of Pakistan's gross national product.

The loss of East Pakistan has virtually solved West Pakistan's food problem.

The West is very nearly self‐sufficient in wheat, the mainstay of its diet.

East Pakistan, on the other hand, has always had an enormous deficit in rice, the main food in Bengal, and Pakistan could provide for this only by buying foreign rice. (Actually, aid‐giving nations provide much of East Pakistan's food needs.)

New high‐yield types of rice have been introduced into East Pakistan, but with a population growing at a rate of well over 3 per cent a year there will never be enough food for East Bengal unless huge amounts of foreign aid are provided.

East Pakistan has virtually no mineral resources apart from some natural gas. It is a natural disaster area subject to periodic cyclones, floods and tidal waves.

Each fresh calamity soaks up huge amounts of relief money, only part of which can be provided by foreign donors.

As malnutrition and disease sink their roots ever deeper in Bengal, the population becomes progressively less productive as it grows larger.

In fact there are few experts who do not share the view that Bengal is truly the dominion of the damned, for whom there will never be hope of a better life no matter how much foreign assistance is provided.

That land is no longer part of Pakistan.

Pakistanis can take spiteful satisfaction in the knowledge that now India will have to look after not only her own West Bengal but East Bengal as well, both of which can be expected to drain away India's economic lifeblood.

Generals Are Discredited

But Pakistan has shed herself of something.else—potentially even more important for her future.

For the first time in Pakistan's 24‐years her army has been thoroughly beaten and discredited. The myth of military infallability is smashed.

During most of her history, Pakistan has been ruled by generals, either directly or indirectly. They have not been generals of the reforming, Nasserist, Islamic ‐Socialist stamp. More often they have resembled the British “Colonel Blimp” prototype—clubby, conservative, and fundamentally uninterested in the welfare of the population.

Despite her diplomatic friendship with China and other Communist nations, Pakistan has remained essentially an oligarchic partnership between an economic elite called the “22 families” and the army.

The national budget directly or indirectly has allocated well over half the available revenue to the armed forces each year. Education has had so small a fraction of 1 per cent it usually is not listed on budget charts.

Pakistan is essentially a nation of herdsmen, camel drivers and poor farmers whose fates are in the hands of. a few powerful sahibs.

For this first time in Pakistan's history there is a chance that this may slowly begin to change.

Mr. Bhutto has great freedom of movement, thanks to having won both an election and, after a de facto military coup, the presidency.

He has pledged to smash the sluggish, self‐serving bureaucracy that haS traditionally (shielded Pakistan's rulers from its population.

A Socialist, he has promised sweeping land reform programs.

In the space of a few days, Mr. Bhutto has made Pakistan a noticeably freer country, at least for the few people directly involved in its political future.

He has released political prisoners, abolished censorship, and pledged convincingly that he intends to make his Government and all future governments accountable to the people.

He has threatened to deal harshly with Pakistanis seeking to send their money out of the country and warned that he will nationalize any industry whose production starts to sag.

“I am not frightened by all this,” a businessman said. “I think Pakistan is going to be better place than ever in which to invest.”

Just how long Mr. Bhutto will be given by the armed’ forces and the population to reshape the nation remains to be seen, but as long as he seems to be moving he is likely to retain his powerful mandate. He is moving very fast at present.

In the months aread, Pakistan will move diplomatically, economically and culturally away from the subcontinent and toward Moslem Central Asia and the Middle East, most political observers feel.

“Our future now,” a Pakistani diplomat said, “is with our natural allies — Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey and, for that matter, with the Arab states. To hell with the subcontinent! Let the Indians die with it.”

There seems to be a good chance that Pakistan will now be able to avoid the periodic wars that have afflicted her until now. There are still major territorial disputes with India but Pakistan has reason to believe that the preponderance of world opinion and possibly military muscle would be on her side in any future conflict. It is expected that this will be a deterrent.

Mr. Bhutto has made it clear he wants good relations with both China and the United States and even with the Soviet Union, which sided with India during the recent war.

“Inshallah (God willing), Pakistan has finally reached a solution to the worst of its ills,” a businessman said. “We grieve for our Moslem brothers in the East, but we must carry on and for us the sun is rising.”

http://www.nytimes.com/1971/12/25/archives/pakistans-loss-a-disaster-or-a-blessing.html?_r=0

Any disintegration of a Muslim nation is always a loss. All the Muslim Nations are on loss right now. Not just Pakistan, Bangladesh is also at loss..

 

[ps3linux]

At times I find it really funny when I visit Pakistani forums, Pakistani newspapers online versions, even Pakistani youtube channels so many indians and bengali are posting their ridiculous narratives, they become members of our discussion forums and start as ridiculous threads as "why Pakistani dramas are not popular in Bangladesh". This is also one of the same ridiculous threads as this one. Honestly, The separation of Bangladesh worked out for both Pakistan and Bangladesh. It's funny but a Khaan from Bangladesh looks as much pakistani pathan as a Tamil would look like a Kashmiri. Genetic dilution may be one of the reason but frankly we were never meant to be one nation.

There was no similarity between Pakistani populace and Bangladeshis. Muslim League was established in 1906, bengalis went on to establish a provincial chapter in 1912 having bangla as their primary language. Same BPML birthed Praja Party in 1929. The foundations for separation of Bangladesh were not laid by any western Pakistani, rather by those who established the BPML.

Interestingly "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_Provincial_Muslim_League" states "The founders of the BPML were Nawab Sir Khwaja Salimullah, Syed Nawab Ali Chowdhury, Sir Abdul Halim Ghaznavi, Justice Sir Zahid Suhrawardy, Abul Kashem, Wahid Hossain and Abdur Rasul. Many members were concurrently members of the Indian National Congress.[1] A. K. Fazlul Huq was elected as its president in 1915." cross referenced from "Banglapedia" strange hmmm.

Pakistan (east and west) was a marriage of inconvenience for both the wings, it was the only viable way (at the time) to gain independence from the brits, while the west Pakistan had no compunctions about the east (let me bit blunt didn't give a rats a**) about a populace which had some sort of racism/pride/protectionism (language/caste/food, whatever) it is only the idealists (read people having identity crisis and speak about Ummah in general) mourn the separation frankly a common Pakistani doesn't feel at loss, those who knew first account of the atrocities which mukti bahni did to punjabis and non-bengalis (biharis included) they feel elated to getting rid of Bangladesh.

As for economic differences between the two countries while I would admit that there are few Pakistanis living and working in Bangladesh private business entrepreneurs (textile), my friend Erum Shakir (M.D Glaxo SmithKline Bangladesh) and Bank Alfalah type organization, I have my doubt Pakistan is in such a dire crisis that Pakistanis will put themselves in a shitty, leaking boat and cross indian ocean to work illegally in Bangladesh, contrary to at least a million illegal Bangladeshis who either came in boats or crossed khokhrapar border illegally during the 80s and 90s, still living in Karachi as illegal aliens and expecting us to issue them our CNIC.

Pakistan GDP crossed a trillion dollar mark, my interactions with the banking, world bank like, IMF, ADB, SBP, SECP, economists and personal interaction with business reaffirms that the documented economy is only 30% of our actual economy. We can debate on that but rest assured we are much better off and a enjoy a much higher living standard than many other nations in Asia, and I claim it not the basis of some false pretense rather my extensive traveling abroad and first hand experiences.

We have to put our house in order to grow on a consistent basis as an economy but rest assured we will get there. We don't need to convince any one or be convinced by anyone we are better than them or vice versa.

There are whole threads dedicated to pictures of different cities, provinces of Pakistan, have a look at them compare it with your country and take some lexotanil to ease off resultant emotional distress.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

At times I find it really funny when I visit Pakistani forums, Pakistani newspapers online versions, even Pakistani youtube channels so many indians and bengali are posting their ridiculous narratives, they become members of our discussion forums and start as ridiculous threads as "why Pakistani dramas are not popular in Bangladesh". This is also one of the same ridiculous threads as this one. Honestly, The separation of Bangladesh worked out for both Pakistan and Bangladesh. It's funny but a Khaan from Bangladesh looks as much pakistani pathan as a Tamil would look like a Kashmiri. Genetic dilution may be one of the reason but frankly we were never meant to be one nation.

There was no similarity between Pakistani populace and Bangladeshis. Muslim League was established in 1906, bengalis went on to establish a provincial chapter in 1912 having bangla as their primary language. Same BPML birthed Praja Party in 1929. The foundations for separation of Bangladesh were not laid by any western Pakistani, rather by those who established the BPML.

Interestingly "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_Provincial_Muslim_League" states "The founders of the BPML were Nawab Sir Khwaja Salimullah, Syed Nawab Ali Chowdhury, Sir Abdul Halim Ghaznavi, Justice Sir Zahid Suhrawardy, Abul Kashem, Wahid Hossain and Abdur Rasul. Many members were concurrently members of the Indian National Congress.[1] A. K. Fazlul Huq was elected as its president in 1915." cross referenced from "Banglapedia" strange hmmm.

Pakistan (east and west) was a marriage of inconvenience for both the wings, it was the only viable way (at the time) to gain independence from the brits, while the west Pakistan had no compunctions about the east (let me bit blunt didn't give a rats a**) about a populace which had some sort of racism/pride/protectionism (language/caste/food, whatever) it is only the idealists (read people having identity crisis and speak about Ummah in general) mourn the separation frankly a common Pakistani doesn't feel at loss, those who knew first account of the atrocities which mukti bahni did to punjabis and non-bengalis (biharis included) they feel elated to getting rid of Bangladesh.

As for economic differences between the two countries while I would admit that there are few Pakistanis living and working in Bangladesh private business entrepreneurs (textile), my friend Erum Shakir (M.D Glaxo SmithKline Bangladesh) and Bank Alfalah type organization, I have my doubt Pakistan is in such a dire crisis that Pakistanis will put themselves in a shitty, leaking boat and cross indian ocean to work illegally in Bangladesh, contrary to at least a million illegal Bangladeshis who either came in boats or crossed khokhrapar border illegally during the 80s and 90s, still living in Karachi as illegal aliens and expecting us to issue them our CNIC.

Pakistan GDP crossed a trillion dollar mark, my interactions with the banking, world bank like, IMF, ADB, SBP, SECP, economists and personal interaction with business reaffirms that the documented economy is only 30% of our actual economy. We can debate on that but rest assured we are much better off and a enjoy a much higher living standard than many other nations in Asia, and I claim it not the basis of some false pretense rather my extensive traveling abroad and first hand experiences.

We have to put our house in order to grow on a consistent basis as an economy but rest assured we will get there. We don't need to convince any one or be convinced by anyone we are better than them or vice versa.

There are whole threads dedicated to pictures of different cities, provinces of Pakistan, have a look at them compare it with your country and take some lexotanil to ease off resultant emotional distress.

What a big pile of horse shit!

 

[ps3linux]

What a big pile of horse shit!

Would you like to refute with logic, reasons and fact or would rather prefer to speak about your domestic delicacy.