Pakistan's ISI problem

[Secret Service]

And then you say Ajmal Shahzad was an ISI agent?
OMG! Does ISI now send trained cricketers as an under cover agent!?

I hope one day they will send trained Umpires also.....

 

[Asfand]

When your enemy complains about something means it is working.

Good Job ISI, keep up the good work. I like to see more complains from Indians on this forum about ISI.

 

[nightcrawler]

After reading many KGB books I came to know that any intelligence can't make progress without proper HumanInt. Now as we know that Indians are well afraid of ISi & ISI being relatively superior to RAW this means that ISI has more HumanInt within India as opposed to RAW. This further signifies two things.

1. RAW is unable to identify our blackops operating within India
2. ISI is more able to extract HumanInt from Indian locals [signifies the lack of patriotism(accompanied by greed of money) among Indians]

 

[SpArK]

When an instittution is not able to gather intelligence that can prevent casualties and violence domestically and cant prevent bombings it can be called a failure.

Whenever a blast is happened i have seen people commenting zardari that... and zardari this, bad politicians and all.

Its not the job of politicians to go around and collecting information, but is that of intelligence agencies of that country to help the security establishments with inputs and solutions, instead people are blinded and rally behind the institution which cant even prevent the violence (example the blast yesterday outside even on their premises).

Until and unless people realise what the true role of an intelligence agency is , we will be seeing commentis ISI did that.... ISI did this against India, its irritating India .. blah blah blaahhsss.

The real question is what ISI did in recent years regarding the home situation to curb violence.

ISI is not a front-line of defence , its primary objective is to collect information on that can harm the nation and make the establishment act accordingly. If they are not doing it properly, they are just wasting peopl's tax money and living on a few fanboys praises.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

After reading many KGB books I came to know that any intelligence can't make progress without proper HumanInt. Now as we know that Indians are well afraid of ISi & ISI being relatively superior to RAW this means that ISI has more HumanInt within India as opposed to RAW. This further signifies two things.

1. RAW is unable to identify our blackops operating within India
2. ISI is more able to extract HumanInt from Indian locals [signifies the lack of patriotism(accompanied by greed of money) among Indians]

Your post is not worthy of a reply except to suggest to you that you stop reading works of fiction and get back to reality

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

After reading many KGB books I came to know that any intelligence can't make progress without proper HumanInt. Now as we know that Indians are well afraid of ISi & ISI being relatively superior to RAW this means that ISI has more HumanInt within India as opposed to RAW. This further signifies two things.

1. RAW is unable to identify our blackops operating within India
2. ISI is more able to extract HumanInt from Indian locals [signifies the lack of patriotism(accompanied by greed of money) among Indians]

@nightcrawler, i agree ISI has more HUMINT capability in india. u dont need to read it in KGB books. this very fact has been admitted by Mr B Raman (a former RAW operative). HUMINT/ COVERT capabilites were terminated by our foolish PM I K Gujral in mid ninties.

our post 2000 RAW is steadily building Humint/covert capabilities in pakistan. it is not up to desired level because unlike techinal int capabilities, HUMINT requires more time. it takes lot of time to cultivate a mole in any country.

i dont agree with u r "greed" theory. i take it as a off the cuff remark.

if u know bit of intelligence. most people can be cultivated into becoming a mole given adequate time/resource/opportunity

 

[Malik Usman]

You are quite wrong brother, i mean to indulge in meaningful argument but it seems many people here are not. I read this article in the Boston globe and thought it was interesting and people would like to know what the west is thinking about the ISI. Its not a flame article or a troll, its from a very reputable newspaper and talks quite sensibly. I have never doubted the ISI's capabilities so please dont accuse me of that. I am here to give my point of view and pos articles that are meaningful, if people get offended over the smallest things there is nothing i can do. There are enough articles here on RAW but i have never said anything like this to anyone because everyone has a right to their own opinion and to express it in a proper manner.

Why you not discuss that it's Indian RAW which is trying to Destablize the Pakistan by giving money and training terrorists in Afghanistan, for which India has more than 100 Consilor Sections in Afghanistan.........is this thing is not questionalable why India has such number of Consilor Sections ?.....And many times those terrorists are caught by Pak Army in SWAT and FATA Areas of Pakistan.....

Why you not discuss the problems Indian Military and Govt. facing Kashmir.....that which you guys are illegaly occuping according to United Nations Resolutions.......

And Why not you disuss the Hamed Kurkarey...............Who was he and why he was killed in behind the scene of Mumbai Attacks.....What was his History......What he was doing near Taj Hotel.....??????????

Why you not discuss the Train Attacks Happened in India killed 65 Pakistani's........Planned by Indian Army Colonel......

Why you not discuss the Separate movements in India.....now increasing and spreading in every Indian State...........

Why you not discuss the Poority in India and your Govt....is making mountains of Weapons where Peoples are dying with hunger.

I think those topics are enough for you to discuss for next many months..........So don't make BS about ISI

 

[Leviza]

ISI is not a problem in Pakistan its a Problem for USA and India ..... as they are afraid of Pakistani Nukes

 

[mautkimaut]

Why you not discuss that it's Indian RAW which is trying to Destablize the Pakistan by giving money and training terrorists in Afghanistan, for which India has more than 100 Consilor Sections in Afghanistan.........is this thing is not questionalable why India has such number of Consilor Sections ?.....And many times those terrorists are caught by Pak Army in SWAT and FATA Areas of Pakistan.....

Why you not discuss the problems Indian Military and Govt. facing Kashmir.....that which you guys are illegaly occuping according to United Nations Resolutions.......

And Why not you disuss the Hamed Kurkarey...............Who was he and why he was killed in behind the scene of Mumbai Attacks.....What was his History......What he was doing near Taj Hotel.....??????????

Why you not discuss the Train Attacks Happened in India killed 65 Pakistani's........Planned by Indian Army Colonel......

Why you not discuss the Separate movements in India.....now increasing and spreading in every Indian State...........

Why you not discuss the Poority in India and your Govt....is making mountains of Weapons where Peoples are dying with hunger.

I think those topics are enough for you to discuss for next many months..........So don't make BS about ISI

you just proved why civil discourse is not possible with Pakistanis...

 

[MilSpec]

Mujhahideen culture back fired bigtime... isn't that a big failure of ISI ... arming idiots is not a big deal...disarming them is !!!

 

[KS]

After reading many KGB books I came to know that any intelligence can't make progress without proper HumanInt. Now as we know that Indians are well afraid of ISi & ISI being relatively superior to RAW this means that ISI has more HumanInt within India as opposed to RAW. This further signifies two things.

1. RAW is unable to identify our blackops operating within India
2. ISI is more able to extract HumanInt from Indian locals [signifies the lack of patriotism(accompanied by greed of money) among Indians]

maybe because there was relatively no democracy in Pakistan and consequently did not have absolute dumbos like Morarji Desai and IK Gujral as Prime Ministers.

 

[MilSpec]

Why you not discuss that it's Indian RAW which is trying to Destablize the Pakistan by giving money and training terrorists in Afghanistan, for which India has more than 100 Consilor Sections in Afghanistan.........is this thing is not questionalable why India has such number of Consilor Sections ?.....And many times those terrorists are caught by Pak Army in SWAT and FATA Areas of Pakistan.....

Why you not discuss the problems Indian Military and Govt. facing Kashmir.....that which you guys are illegaly occuping according to United Nations Resolutions.......

And Why not you disuss the Hamed Kurkarey...............Who was he and why he was killed in behind the scene of Mumbai Attacks.....What was his History......What he was doing near Taj Hotel.....??????????

Why you not discuss the Train Attacks Happened in India killed 65 Pakistani's........Planned by Indian Army Colonel......

Why you not discuss the Separate movements in India.....now increasing and spreading in every Indian State...........

Why you not discuss the Poority in India and your Govt....is making mountains of Weapons where Peoples are dying with hunger.

I think those topics are enough for you to discuss for next many months..........So don't make BS about ISI

Ok.. so you want to discuss all this here...

Afghanistan is not your property...India is the biggest non military AID provider to Afghanistan... thats why we have our presence there.... As far as RAW is concerned... you fellow countrymen claim RAW to be a failure intell agency... then how is it so sucess ful in destabilizing Pakistan...

If Raw is so easily able to turn islamic jihadist against pakistan ... what does that say about loyalty and nationality of pakistanis ... weren't these the same mujhahideen your ISI trained for strategic depth....

Kashmir problem was created by pakistan... not by us... learn history from free source ..educate yourself... we did not sent tribals in 48..nether did we initiate 65 neither did we infiltrate kargil... education helps my friend ..get some

i dont know who hameed kurkaray is .. it may be some fictional charecter created by you... if you are referring to JCP Hemant karkare of mumbai police, he was killed by low life militants from pakistan... stop getting your news from zaid hamid... educate yourself
"At 9.45 p.m. while having his dinner at his Dadar residence, he received a call about a terrorist attack at C.S.T. (earlier V.T.) station. He switched on the TV for news and left at once with his driver and bodyguards for C.S.T. There he donned a bullet-proof vest and helmet (shown on news channels live), and went to Platform No.1, but found it deserted. He was then informed that the terrorists had moved to the Cama and Albless Hospital ("Cama") next to the Azad Maidan police station.
The operation was difficult as it was dark and the terrorists were well prepared and virtually on a fidayeen mission. The officers, with a few constables, went into Cama from the back and Kamte fired at the terrorist. A couple of constables were left stationed at the back entrance of Cama, while the rest boarded a Qualis jeep. Salaskar asked the driver to let him take over at the wheel. About that time, they heard on the wireless that the terrorists were hiding behind a red car." rest you can read up... he was not waiting near Taj to greet your fellows...

Train attacks was probed, investigated and arrests were made by indian police on our own ... not under foriegn pressure unlike you... if we fell down to your standards we could have just blamed pakistan and shut down the case... if we have a problem we look to solve it not shove it under the carpet like your country... blaming all the jihidi BS on raw...

First off ..get this idea out of your head that naxal movement is separatist... they are trying to create a revolution based on mao's ideology... it has nothing to do with being separatist....

We have our own set of problems ..and we are working on it.. Being a secular democracy with a legacy of economic disparity and multi ethinic and cultural diversity..establishing socio-economic harmony is a challenge... Our government ..leaders..corporate world are helping in bridging the gaps to build india that we dreamt of in 1947.....

We have no intentions of becoming a military superpower... we need a strong disciplined military to maintain out terretorial integrity regional giant. We also need agile power projection capability to thwart aggression from your military's nuisance value
We intend to become economically prosperous secular democratic global power... we will be content with that

 

[Kinetic]

ISI is a problem for India not for Pakistan .Many Indians can attest to that also they fear ISI more then the whole Pakistan Army itself.So that speaks a lot about ISI.

May some more suicide attackers on Pakistan army's website dying in Delhi hospitals or more 26/11 for India but have three four more agencies like ISI, then see where Pakistan stands from current scenario.

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

Pakistan's ISI problem is that they don't consider ISI as a problem

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

May some more suicide attackers on Pakistan army's website dying in Delhi hospitals or more 26/11 for India but have three four more agencies like ISI, then see where Pakistan stands from current scenario.

Lol the website tht declares the poor fellow dying of cancer? more 26/11s for india and more killings in IOK?

Pathetic!

Wherever Pakistan stand wats ur concerns ... wat is ur concern?

Go control ur 24 insurgents.