Pakistan's ISI exposed

[Skeptic]

Skeptic - I don't see how her credibility is marred with this excerpt. She correctly pointed out the links of the military with the LeT, and she correctly pointed out that there was not enough evidence linking the Pakistani establishment with the Mumbai attacks.

I suppose 'not enough' would have to be used instead of 'no evidence' since Pakistan's old links with the LeT wil always create doubts.

But again, I do not see how you can conclude her credibility is marred with this - if anything, she has proven herself to be objective and willing to call Pakistan out on issues where she believes Pakistan is at fault. That enhances her credibility - she is not partial to anyone side.

That comment was made keeping sensibilities of board members in mind as for many fellow members these observations would also be hard to digest:

• Pakistan has never honoured any of the promises it made.
• Militant groups operating with impunity within Pakistan
• LeT operates under the name of Jamaat ud dawa

Apart from the part that LeT was founded and continuously supported by ISI. Specially when spoken with a tricolour under your name.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

That comment was made keeping sensibilities of board members in mind as for many fellow members these observations would also be hard to digest:

• Pakistan has never honoured any of the promises it made.
• Militant groups operating with impunity within Pakistan
• LeT operates under the name of Jamaat ud dawa

Apart from the part that LeT was founded and continuously supported by ISI. Specially when spoken with a tricolour under your name.

Skeptic,

That was a short segment on a news channel, and represents the commonly held wisdom in Western circles over Pakistan's actions.

I think Pakistan's efforts in controlling the militant groups and almost eliminating the insurgency in Kashmir are excellent examples of Pakistan's keeping its promises (you are generalizing a rather specific statement of hers in a small news segment related to the militant group, after the attack on Mumbai). That attacks like Mumbai are the exception rather than the norm is proof of how much Pakistan has fulfilled its promise.

None of that takes away from her conclusions on Indian covert activities through, which she supported by narrating her actual presence and interactions with the concerned 'players' in Afghanistan.

Now if you can find something where Tellis is critical of Indian support for proxies throughout its history, I'll buy the argument that he's objective as well, and his work on India vs Pakistan is not influenced and biased by his Indian heritage, upbringing and education.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Rand Corporation.

I think that is enough to get a hint about credibility.

Ironically after Ajmal Kassab's statement in court about how Indian authorities tortured him for confession things have gone too cold in India about 26/11 and all that happening is just Pakistan and ISI bashing and demands that Pakistan must fulfill.

 

[luckyy]

Colonel R Saadatullah's name came out after FBI carried out their in the case as the this IP address was created with CallPhonex, a VoIP service provider based in New Jersey, in the US.....FBI then forward their findings to india....

complicity of the Pakistani establishment in the Mumbai attacks can only be sorte out complitly if investiagtion carried out inside pakistan.......pakistan govt neither has the will nor the mandate to carry out any such investigation ...


http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0226/p99s01-duts.html

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Colonel R Saadatullah's name came out after FBI carried out their in the case as the this IP address was created with CallPhonex, a VoIP service provider based in New Jersey, in the US.....FBI then forward their findings to india....

complicity of the Pakistani establishment in the Mumbai attacks can only be sorte out complitly if investiagtion carried out inside pakistan.......pakistan govt neither has the will nor the mandate to carry out any such investigation ...


India accuses Pakistani Army officer of involvement in Mumbai attacks | csmonitor.com

Why are you re-posting the same link, when the excerpts I posted from this same link in my last reply to you clearly debunk your argument.

Lets not be so dishonest.

However, the Pakistan army downplayed its link to the Mumbai terror carnage and said that the chargesheet filed on Wednesday is very vague on the link.

Speaking to TIMES NOW, Brigadier Azmat Ali, Pak army spokesperson said, "[The] chargesheet does not accurately identify armyman allegedly linked to 26/11. There are many Colonel Sadatullahs in the Pakistan army. We are trying to find out if this is true or it is all a media speculation."

On Wednesday, Indian police charged Pakistani national Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab, the lone surviving gunman of the Mumbai attacks, along with two Indian nationals, with "waging war" against India, reports the BBC. All three could face the death penalty.

The BBC report adds, however, that the Pakistani Army has not been directly implicated in the Mumbai attacks.

[The charge sheet] does not establish any connection to the underworld of Mumbai nor does it mention any Inter-Services Intelligence (Pakistan intelligence agency) or Pakistani army officials.

As Mr. Qasab's trial begins, the Pakistani authorities have "raised the prospect that Indian authorities could have padded evidence to buttress its claims that Pakistani nationals were involved in the attacks," reports the Indian daily, The Hindu.

Last month, Islamabad submitted a 30-point questionnaire to New Delhi, in response to a formal dossier of evidence handed over by India. For the most part, the questionnaire sought evidence that will be needed for a possible criminal trial of Lashkar terrorists in that country.

But, government sources told The Hindu, several elements of the questionnaire have caused disquiet – among them, thinly-veiled insinuations that evidence was tampered with and allegations that the role of Indian nationals in facilitating the attack were being glossed over.