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Pakistan's influence in OIC fading - fails to get invite for Hurriyat

Can you explain this support, since Turkish Cyprus is only recognized by Turkey.

Officialy recognised , will be recognised by like 10 nations easily but we are not really pushing for anyone to recognise . We can make it a part of Turkish republic if greeks dont come to their senses , we are providing electric for the other part. There are many countries including members of OIC who does most things other than officialy recognise , cyprus is now an observer i think. As soon as azerbaycan gets back karabagh they will recognise but even now there is alot of trade and things so its just not official.
 
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Money triumphs everything else.

Thats why when Russia, China and India persecute Muslims, OIC doesn't make that much noise.

When Israel does it, its like the world is about to end.

What about OIC countries themselves their list goes on like Darfur, West Sahara, Bahrain, Kurds etc and their worldwide reputation on human rights.

Why they love to interfere in internal matter of countries of East and far East when no country from East and far East interfere in their internal matter.
 
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well clearly your side isnt.....i saw the words of your Assam Chief Minister (read "baseless, slanderous, comical unproven allegations")

Chief minister of assam is not the flag bearer of Indian civil society.

india wasnt the representative of Bengalis as a people and yet it interfered in 1971.....it's hypocritical of india to be an impediment of what was once a Bengali revolution which appears to be incomplete (as per the definition and raison d'etre of this very revolution)

now of course that's beside the point here......Pakistan as a sovereign state, a major stakeholder in South Asia and a non-permanent seat at the UNSC has every right to express its concerns over the mass exodus and harassment of Bengali Muslims and the ongoing unrest in the northeast.....and this is especially so now, given reckless tall claims by your ministers about so-called "Pakistani involvement"

East pakistan was state sponsored genocide of bengalis and mass movement of refugees that affected India primarily due to actions of pakistani military and it's affiliates, hence actions had to be taken. The situation in north east is of infighting among two groups, learn the difference.

these don't help your credibility or your preposterous claims


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p.s. Huriyet leaders -- who are very influential in the occupied valley have made it clear that they are supportive of efforts to bring back Kashmiri Pundits (hindus) who fled next door to india

(that so-called mass exodus has also been sensationalized by hindustan to give Kashmiri nationalism a "communal" taste when in fact many pundits stayed behind with their Muslim Kashmiri counterparts)

I thought news reports are usually treated as rhetoric on the forum; because just like you I can post quite a few links establishing pakistani state sponsored terror claims on both it's borders.

As far as your tall claims of pebliscite/referendum stands, I think it might be suitable to let you know how your government sabotaged the deal in last 65 years

*RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND
PAKISTAN ON 13 AUGUST 1948. (DOCUMENT NO. S/1100, PARA 75, DATED THE
9TH NOVEMBER, 1948)

THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN

Having given careful consideration to the points of view expressed by
the Representatives of India and Pakistan regarding the situation in
the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and

Being of the opinion that the prompt cessation of hostilities and the
coercion of conditions the continuance of which is likely to endanger
international peace and security are essential to implementation of
its endeavors to assist the Governments of India and Pakistan in
effecting a final settlement of the situation.

Resolves to submit simultaneously to the Governments of India and
Pakistan the following proposal

PART I

CEASE-FIRE ORDER

1. The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that their respective
High Commands will issue separately and simultaneously a cease- fire
order to apply to all forces under their control in the State of Jammu
and Kashmir as of the earliest practicable date or dates to be
mutually agreed upon within four days after these proposals have been
accepted by both Governments.

2. The High Commands of Indian and Pakistan forces agreed to refrain
from taking any measures that might augment the military potential of
the forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. (For
the purpose of these proposals "forces under their control shall be
considered to include all forces, organized and unorganized, fighting
or participating in hostilities on their respective sides).

3. The Commanders-in-Chief of the Forces of India and Pakistan shall
promptly confer regarding any necessary local changes in present
dispositions which may facilitate the cease-fire.

4. In its discretions and as the Commission may find practicable, the
Commission will appoint military observers who under the authority of
the Commission and with the co-operation of both Commands will
supervise the observance of the cease-fire order.

5. The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan agree to
appeal to their respective peoples to assist in creating and
maintaining an atmosphere favorable to the promotion of further
negotiations.



PART II

TRUCE AGREEMENT

Simultaneously with the acceptance of the proposal for the immediate
cessation of hostilities as outlined in Part I, both Governments
accept the following principles as a basis for the formulation of a
truce agreement, the details of which shall be worked out in
discussion between their Representatives and the Commission.

1. (l) As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the
State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the
situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan
before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to
withdraw its troops from that State.

(2) The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavor to secure
the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and
Pakistan nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the
State for the purpose of fighting.

(3) Pending a final solution the territory evacuated by the Pakistan
troops will be administered by the local authorities under the
surveillance of the Commission.

2. (1) When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India
that the tribesmen and Pakistan nationals referred to in Part II A 2
hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was
represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as
having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu
and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistan forces are being withdrawn
from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to
begin to withdraw the bulk of their forces from the State in stages to
be agreed upon with the Commission

(2) Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of
the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government
will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of cease-fire
the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the
Commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the
observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers
stationed where it deems necessary.

(3) The Government of India will undertake to ensure that the
Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will take all measures
within their power to make it publicly known that peace, law and order
will be safeguarded and that all human and political rights will be
guaranteed.

3. (1) Upon signature, the full text of the Truce Agreement or
communiqué containing the principles thereof as agreed upon between
the two Governments and the Commission, will be made public.


PART III

The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan reaffirm their
wish that the future status of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be
determined in accordance with the will of the people and to that end,
upon acceptance of the Truce Agreement both Governments agree to enter
into consultations with the Commission to determine fair and equitable
conditions whereby such free expression will be assured.


*The UNCIP unanimously adopted this Resolution on 13-8-1948.

Members of the Commission: Argentina. Belgium, Columbia,
Czechoslovakia and U.S.A.
 
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Can you explain this support, since Turkish Cyprus is only recognized by Turkey.

WRT TRNC --> N Cyprus counts on Pakistan

Officialy recognised , will be recognised by like 10 nations easily but we are not really pushing for anyone to recognise . We can make it a part of Turkish republic if greeks dont come to their senses , we are providing electric for the other part. There are many countries including members of OIC who does most things other than officialy recognise , cyprus is now an observer i think. As soon as azerbaycan gets back karabagh they will recognise but even now there is alot of trade and things so its just not official.

our side has been lobbying hard to include TRNC as official member of the OIC
 
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Chief minister of assam is not the flag bearer of Indian civil society.

so you are down-playing the words of the CM who presides over this troubled indian state?



East pakistan was state sponsored genocide of bengalis and mass movement of refugees that affected India primarily due to actions of pakistani military and it's affiliates, hence actions had to be taken. The situation in north east is of infighting among two groups, learn the difference.

if you call that genocide, then you can also call slaughter and targetted violence of non-Bengali residents of Bangladesh as genocide as well...

Pakistan army didnt even get involved until indian beliggerance became established and known

And my side-point on Banga Deshi revolution may not be entirely relevant to this particular discussion (as I pointed out) but it's curious when indians always bring up "morality" on the topic of Banga Desh peoples' ethnic-nationalist movement whose main purpose was to unite these peoples of one mother tongue.

indians can no longer claim and "morality" grounds here, but then again we knew that long ago even though your side tries time and time again to fool the world with its nonsensical "all is well and shining here.....blame everyone else" diplomacy


I thought news reports are usually treated as rhetoric on the forum; because just like you I can post quite a few links establishing pakistani state sponsored terror claims on both it's borders.

sensationalism and half truths are treated as rhetoric....im sure there is some sensationalism on this conflict as well; but when tens of thousands flee their homes in panic and when communal violence spirals out of control and then you try to blame Pakistan on this (standard indian reaction to anything) then it not only becomes our business -but then we are forced to get involved because we have to then clear our name

Pakistani side must never accept india's smear campaigns and slander.....no matter how ridiculous it is.



As far as your tall claims of pebliscite/referendum stands, I think it might be suitable to let you know how your government sabotaged the deal in last 65 years

Kashmiris themselves may be divided at times but to a large extent, they reject indian occupation of their lands.....well-established reality that can simply not be brushed aside

(this is where you will, in a failed attempt to counter this -- bring up Balochistan Province of Pakistan and the low-level dying insurgency there)
 
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Kashmiris themselves may be divided at times but to a large extent, they reject indian occupation of their lands.....well-established reality that can simply not be brushed aside

(this is where you will, in a failed attempt to counter this -- bring up Balochistan Province of Pakistan and the low-level dying insurgency there)

Reality is, more Kashmiris want to be independent of Pakistan than India.

Reality also is, more Kashmiris want to join India than Pakistan.

Kashmir.png




Lying through ignorance or through commission, is equally deplorable.
 
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so you are down-playing the words of the CM who presides over this troubled indian state?
My comment was self explanatory

if you call that genocide, then you can also call slaughter and targetted violence of non-Bengali residents of Bangladesh as genocide as well...
Pakistan army didnt even get involved until indian beliggerance became established and known
And my side-point on Banga Deshi revolution may not be entirely relevant to this particular discussion (as I pointed out) but it's curious when indians always bring up "morality" on the topic of Banga Desh peoples' ethnic-nationalist movement whose main purpose was to unite these peoples of one mother tongue.
There was no issue of morality, there was an established genocide, we had to get involved.

Kashmiris themselves may be divided at times but to a large extent, they reject indian occupation of their lands.....well-established reality that can simply not be brushed aside

(this is where you will, in a failed attempt to counter this -- bring up Balochistan Province of Pakistan and the low-level dying insurgency there)

Again, if referendum is what you want, read the premise for it, PA never withdrew it's forces, hence never allowed the process to be even started, instead relied upon infiltration (twice) and militancy as the solution for the kashmir.
 
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Who cares what Pakistanis want. There will be no referendum. No country can force India on the issue. why do we keep discussing this?
We are there...Kashmir is for keeps! And no we will not abide by anything else other than our own constitution. If Pakistan has failed in changing status quo for 60years..they are sure not going to be able to change anything now.
 
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Who cares what Pakistanis want. There will be no referendum. No country can force India on the issue. why do we keep discussing this?
We are there...Kashmir is for keeps! And no we will not abide by anything else other than our own constitution. If Pakistan has failed in changing status quo for 60years..they are sure not going to be able to change anything now.

then why do Kashmiris declare Aug 15 as a black day every year whereas Aug 14 is celebrated with fervor on our side?


and when you post pictures with numbers and percentages, kindly provide sources

Who cares what Pakistanis want. There will be no referendum. No country can force India on the issue. why do we keep discussing this?
We are there...Kashmir is for keeps! And no we will not abide by anything else other than our own constitution. If Pakistan has failed in changing status quo for 60years..they are sure not going to be able to change anything now.

your constitution isnt applicable in iOk
 
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then why do Kashmiris declare Aug 15 as a black day every year whereas Aug 14 is celebrated with fervor on our side?


and when you post pictures with numbers and percentages, kindly provide sources



your constitution isnt applicable in iOk

If some misguided Kashmiris declare Aug 15 as black-day, doesn't mean whole of J&K is declaring Aug 15 as black-day.

Reality is, more Kashmiris want to be independent of Pakistan than India.

Reality also is, more Kashmiris want to join India than Pakistan.

Kashmir.png




Lying through ignorance or through commission, is equally deplorable.

It is no use explaining to Pakistanis. Pakistanis by signing Shimla agreement have rendered UN resolution null.
 
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you can't mass grave and fake encounter and sensationalize your way out of the problem, no can do.
 
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^nopes you can't, our government and people in general lack the solidarity/will to tackle the real issues head on.
especially when the issue is where an entire nation is supplying Ak 47's, Rpgs and mujhhideens to ensure peace has no chance in the state.
 
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