Pakistan’s inflation rate jumps to 7.19 per cent in January 2019

[VCheng]

So how else do you sentence a person to prison without proof?



In the short term, they need to curtail growth. People will fall back into poverty, but when there's less people to buy, then inflation will obviously come under control.

Naturally, this means drastically reducing govt expenditure, but at the same time increasing the cost of services to the public like increasing water and electricity bills, in order to increase govt revenue. People should be encouraged to produce their own power with tax rebates, and even subsidies if affordable.

There should be significant monetary tightening, so that money circulation is reigned in.

Income taxes should be raised and tax compliance should be increased.

Factories should be set up in order to decrease import dependency, but this is a long term goal. 100% of Pakistan's refined fuel needs should come from within Pakistan, so investment is necessary for new refining capacity. The large market should be leveraged to bring electronics production into the country as well.

Pray oil prices do not increase.

One would expect the defence budget to drastically reduce, but we know that's not going to happen. Instead the overall security budget has to increase in order to control the jobless youth that's going to go into the millions over the next few years, what with uncontrolled birth rate, fewer jobs and increased radicalism.

As usual , the middle class will suffer the most from these impoverishing steps. The upper class is immune, and the lower class is already barely subsisting. The changes and reforms needed to deal with such a situation may be beyond the capabilities of the governance mechanisms to even envisage, let alone effectively implement, the defense budget being just one example.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So how else do you sentence a person to prison without proof?

That is not evidence of tampering with the courts. Again, poor laws do not mean due process was not followed. I'm still waiting to see some evidence of due process not being followed or the courts being tampered with or influenced to push a particular verdict.

 

[VCheng]

That is not evidence of tampering with the courts. Again, poor laws do not mean due process was not followed. I'm still waiting to see some evidence of due process not being followed or the courts being tampered with or influenced to push a particular verdict.

Isn't it ironic when claims of following the law to the letter do nothing to dispel the impression of lawlessness?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Both were business men, CCP is basically a group of Business men, and Nawaz is another. They always work their way in. Imran is a politician and Chinese find it hard to deal with them, especially democracies, it changes with time and like in Malaysia, Maldives, Sri Lanka... Chinese cultivate a relation with someone (or a party) for a time, but when they get voted out of power, things go south for China.

The Chinese have a longer relationship with the military than they do with any political party. As I said before, the fact that the military and IK are on very good terms (for now) is only going to encourage them to engage with the PTI government. Of course any new government will bring uncertainties, but that will change with increased engagement.

 

[randomradio]

As usual , the middle class will suffer the most from these impoverishing steps. The upper class is immune, and the lower class is already barely subsisting. The changes and reforms needed to deal with such a situation may be beyond the capabilities of the governance mechanisms to even envisage, let alone effectively implement, the defense budget being just one example.

We still have to wait and see what the IMF will recommend. It will likely be quite strict.

Personally, I think IK has chosen a very bad time to win the elections. Once Nawaz Sharif is acquitted by both the higher courts, he'll get the ammunition to attack IK and perhaps even the army. People are simple. They are going to remember the good ol' days under Sharif. Of course, the economic turmoil can allow the army to take over again.

Even India had double digit inflation a few years ago, but we were dealing with ridiculously high oil prices, well over $100, and economic mismanagement, we are feeling the pinch even today. That's also the time when Sharif got an IMF bailout. But this time the oil prices are stable, so there's no telling what's going to happen in Pakistan if oil prices rise again.

That is not evidence of tampering with the courts. Again, poor laws do not mean due process was not followed. I'm still waiting to see some evidence of due process not being followed or the courts being tampered with or influenced to push a particular verdict.

Tamper? Influence? Do you even know what he was sentenced over?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Tamper? Influence? Do you even know what he was sentenced over?

The last trial - assets greater than his known sources of income.

Of course, the economic turmoil can allow the army to take over again.

Not happening.

 

[VCheng]

We still have to wait and see what the IMF will recommend. It will likely be quite strict.

IMF has no desire to be strict or lenient, given its charter. Its prescription is based on the magnitude of the structural problems, and they are particularly bad for Pakistan at this time. What the people will see is inflation and impoverishment, with unpredictable political fallout.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

IMF has no desire to be strict or lenient, given its charter. Its prescription is based on the magnitude of the structural problems, and they are particularly bad for Pakistan at this time. What the people will see is inflation and impoverishment, with unpredictable political fallout.

Imran Khan has the right idea. His refusal to back down from the decision to suspend the Haj subsidy (initiated by Nawaz Sharif), despite criticism from all political parties, suggests he's not averse to taking politically unpopular decisions. Of course ending the Haj subsidy isn't nearly as bad as some of the other potential measures that will have to be taken and it remains to be seen how much political capital he's willing to spend to push more painful reforms through.

Messaging, in terms of his team repetitively and consistently talking about why reforms are needed, is going to be critical in terms of keeping his core supporters on board, as is keeping his government free from any major scandals, and if scandals do erupt, dealing with them in a transparent manner to assure Pakistanis continue to have faith in him. Painful reforms by a government that is considered corrupt and lining its own pockets are going to be much harder to implement. If the military is on board with these reforms (which it appears to be at the moment), IK will have their support which eliminates one variable.

 

[VCheng]

Imran Khan has the right idea. His refusal to back down from the decision to suspend the Haj subsidy (initiated by Nawaz Sharif), despite criticism from all political parties, suggests he's not averse to taking politically unpopular decisions. Of course ending the Haj subsidy isn't nearly as bad as some of the other potential measures that will have to be taken and it remains to be seen how much political capital he's willing to spend to push more painful reforms through.

Messaging, in terms of his team repetitively and consistently talking about why reforms are needed, is going to be critical in terms of keeping his core supporters on board, as is keeping his government free from any major scandals, and if scandals do erupt, dealing with them in a transparent manner to assure Pakistanis continue to have faith in him. Painful reforms by a government that is considered corrupt and lining its own pockets are going to be much harder to implement. If the military is on board with these reforms (which it appears to be at the moment), IK will have their support which eliminates one variable.

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out. The next fiscal year, with more issues, is not that far away, and this year's issues are not yet dealt with. It sure ain't gonna be easy, no matter what.

 

[saiyan0321]

Only in Pakistan can one assume guilt without proving it in the courts.

To date, Nawaz has not been proven guilty of buying those flats with black money. He was jailed because "he must have" done

Well that is the NAB law. You can criticize the law but never its implementation. A law being implemented is a good thing. Even a wrong, draconian foolish law being implemented highlights that the legal system is not dead but working. Amending a legal system is far harder than amending a law.

He was judged guilty without proving the corruption.

Yes. That is now NAB investigation begins and its not just for him but for all. Under section 14 it highlights this clearly. Now you can begin to wonder why two civilian governments did not amend this despite having the power to do so and both of them have passed extremely serious and complicated laws. 18th amendment for PPP and 25th amendment for N.

Please do keep in mind that the NAB Ordnance requires the defendant to prove his/her innocence, not that the prosecution needs to prove him/her guilty. Quite the la

Yes section 14.. Its a joke bcz everybody has the fundamental right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. NAB law quite frankly should have been amended when such powerful governments were in power or the court itself should have striked it down.

Mind you I see that section being struck down in the future when these cases reach the supreme court.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/19/world/asia/pakistan-nawaz-sharif-released.html

It was entirely a premeditated plan to jail him and make him ineligible for elections just so the army's new puppet can come to power. A kangaroo court was initiated and he was removed from contention.

Now the High Court has pointed out that there's no proof of corruption in the Avenfield case, the reason why he couldn't contest elections.

He's been acquitted in the Flagship case, he was wrongfully imprisoned in the Avenfield case, and I'm pretty sure even the Al-Azizia Mills case is going to go up in smoke once the High Court realises he has no direct link to the company.

Let me explain.

The NAB court works on the law that a person against whom investigation has been taken must prove himself innocent. Thus it provided the order that Nawaz Sharif having failed to prove his innocence is guilty.

Whereas the high court works on the law that all are innocent until the prosecution proves the guilt with case laws such as the accused is the fav child of the court and that the prosecution must prove its case beyond a shadow of a doubt. With these principles and case laws in mind the high court accepted the appeal for hearing.

Now if you have studied these cases as you say you have you must have noticed that the supreme court under saqib nisar pointed out irregularities in the order types by high court which there were but upheld the order bcz the supreme court also followed its own set guidelines of responsibilities of prosecution and upheld the bail. Also the fact that an impugned order is not implemented...

Mind you he was already made ineligible for election under constitutional law..


In all of the above where due process was not followed..Due processes were followed everywhere. Difference in legal principles has created this contrast in court procedure but procedure were followed.

It is very easy to blame evil army victim Nawaz oh oh oh

But we must come to terms with a fact that the Parliament ignored this draconian law just as it ignored various sections in the constitution which were brought by the dictator but cry on others.. Why? Bcz it benefited the parties and the legislators..

It took the supreme court to bring up and strike down a law that made the parliament an autocratic organization that can pass any law it feels fit without any check or balance and through that it brought back the concept of judicial review something your own courts have done quite a few times..

That borderless law I speak of was brought by Zia..

Anyhow as I said its your opinion not a fact

What's done is done, and only the consequences remain. Now, what say you we talk about how the present government plans to deal with the rising inflation rate?

Agreed. Let's end this nab topic...


I personally don't see a strong policy to combat such inflation.. Let me tell you. Last month my electric unit price was

9.65 for day units

16.005 for night.

So some 490 units had a bill for 6.5k.

This month I got a shock.

My unit price were

14.380 for day

20.698 for night..

My bill on 564 units. 11574RS
Every govt that comes gives the mantra of pain on middle income and this will be short while only for five years to go by and you realize you have been duped. PPP did it. N league did it and imran is doing it. PPP faced a wipe out on its flawed economic policy. N has lost all provinces due to its flawed economic policy. Both targeted the middle income and now barely have seats for provincial setting. PTI is doing the same and it will meet the same fate if it doesn't bring forth a robust economic plan that doesn't involve taxing the hell out of the middle class.

How is it fair that the states incapability and ineptness is paid for by users who pay bills bcz the state doesn't have the guts nor the proper system to collect bills?

The govt rightly deserves every flak it gets on its economic policy bcz such increases and such bills will create anger and hatred for the party in power.

Gonna talk like an Aam admi. When I saw that bill and my meagre means I felt a rush of anger against the govt in power the likes of it I felt when ishaq dar was making policies and when zardari was crushing us all. A thought emerged which stated that they are all the same and our finance minister who was called the best thing since sliced break is more hyped up than Muhammad amir. :p

Imran Khan has the right idea. His refusal to back down from the decision to suspend the Haj subsidy (initiated by Nawaz Sharif), despite criticism from all political parties, suggests he's not averse to taking politically unpopular decisions. Of course ending the Haj subsidy isn't nearly as bad as some of the other potential measures that will have to be taken and it remains to be seen how much political capital he's willing to spend to push more painful reforms through.

Two things I couldn't believe we had.
Media subsidy in form of billion rupee ads and haj subsidy.

 

[VCheng]

Agreed. Let's end this nab topic...


I personally don't see a strong policy to combat such inflation.. Let me tell you. Last month my electric unit price was

9.65 for day units

16.005 for night.

So some 490 units had a bill for 6.5k.

This month I got a shock.

My unit price were

14.380 for day

20.698 for night..

My bill on 564 units. 11574RS
Every govt that comes gives the mantra of pain on middle income and this will be short while only for five years to go by and you realize you have been duped. PPP did it. N league did it and imran is doing it. PPP faced a wipe out on its flawed economic policy. N has lost all provinces due to its flawed economic policy. Both targeted the middle income and now barely have seats for provincial setting. PTI is doing the same and it will meet the same fate if it doesn't bring forth a robust economic plan that doesn't involve taxing the hell out of the middle class.

How is it fair that the states incapability and ineptness is paid for by users who pay bills bcz the state doesn't have the guts nor the proper system to collect bills?

The govt rightly deserves every flak it gets on its economic policy bcz such increases and such bills will create anger and hatred for the party in power.

Gonna talk like an Aam admi. When I saw that bill and my meagre means I felt a rush of anger against the govt in power the likes of it I felt when ishaq dar was making policies and when zardari was crushing us all. A thought emerged which stated that they are all the same and our finance minister who was called the best thing since sliced break is more hyped up than Muhammad amir. :p

"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose". - Karr.

This drama has been played in Pakistan at least since the 70s that I have witnessed myself. The sad part is that it still works the same, no matter who is in power. Does one praise the patience of the people, or lament their infinite gluttony for such punishment?

 

[saiyan0321]

"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose". - Karr.

This drama has been played in Pakistan at least since the 70s that I have witnessed myself. The sad part is that it still works the same, no matter who is in power. Does one praise the patience of the people, or lament their infinite gluttony for such punishment?

So true. So true. And if the change of hope govt remains the same then it will truly create a wave of disappointment...

Lament as we ourselves are lamenting on our gluttony.

i believe that change is introvert that forms from within. Its true for a person or for a nation. Its outward character will change when a person changes within. A nation must bring a change from its own moral corruption to bring a true end to this vicious cycle it finds itself a slave. Only then can true change come but I see little to see such a day arrive in my life..

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

Ache din ayenge humare b

 

[VCheng]

This month I got a shock.

My unit price were

14.380 for day

20.698 for night..

My bill on 564 units. 11574RS

About 10 to 15 cents per KWh. That is pretty much in the upper range for rates for US consumers (!).

(Average rate about 10 cents per KWh, average consumption about 1,000 units per month.)

 

[saiyan0321]

About 10 to 15 cents per KWh. That is pretty much in the upper range for rates for US consumers (!).

(Average rate about 10 cents per KWh, average consumption about 1,000 units per month.)

Do take into account avg salaries and middle income.... This is going to make people mad.