Pakistans Helicopters and other Vtol Technologies

[Neo]

I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything, its just not a top priority for the time being.
We can buy ToT from China, build these choppers home easily.
But thats by humble opinion.

 

[Interceptor]

I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything, its just not a top priority for the time being.
We can buy ToT from China, build these choppers home easily.
But thats by humble opinion.

Yeah I agree with you there. As I understand you believed that new markets opened for Pakistan and they can buy the Helicoptors. However, the thread is about indignouse industry for helicopters or as you said ToT do you see where I am coming from.

 

[JK!]

ok gentlemen
first of all these pakistan have motto of self reliance but not single helicopter have been produced,but pakistan army has capability to upgrade most of western army helicopter like cobra,bell412,bell 212 ,skyranger and puma,
what i would suggest is that if we buy bell 212=bell 412 from saudi arabia and jordon and also from us which are almost useless for them and we can upgrade them and they will serve the purpose till 2020,in 2020 i think pakistan will be in more capabile position to have its helicopter.
at the moment there is no need of building own heli.
altough i must say that cobra must be upgraded to twin engine super cobra.
the point is not the heli its the arament it carries,like e.g if hell fire missle are installed on bell 412 it can out perform even cobra.
a good heli is no good with a good arament capability.

Please do share your information on what upgrade capabilities we have.

I am a huge fan of upgrades for military equipment and hypothetically if I was running the show I would get a transfer of technology from Iran who have now reverse engineered AH1J Cobra, Bell 205 and Bell 206s. I would then get the components for AH1Z, UH1Y and armed Kiowa 0H58 from the USA.

But me thinks that to be rather unlikely

 

[JK!]

Man if the 2005 earthquake proved the need for anything it would be for more transport Helicopters especially a heavy lift one.

If we are to enter this field perhaps this should be our focus.

 

[Bull]

It's superfluous thats why. Development costs money and if at the end of it you have a product you don't need you have just wasted money that might be vital somewhere else.

You sound like a loser. Mankind would have reached nowwhere if your theory was followed.

Plus you will be competing with established products.

So do you mean you shud only start developing if nobody yet has made it. From where are you going to get the tech and mfr know-how to make such a product?

 

[Keysersoze]

You sound like a loser. Mankind would have reached nowwhere if your theory was followed.

Well normally I wouldn't grace such a wonderful opinion with a reply. In your case I will make an exception due to the personal nature of your comment.

We have a saying which I feel sums up my point, "Do everything that is necessary. Do nothing that is not"
There is a great deal of difference between making a new discovery to make a technological leap and re-inventing the wheel.
When you have limited resources and a abundance of problems then you should prioritize.

So do you mean you shud only start developing if nobody yet has made it. From where are you going to get the tech and mfr know-how to make such a product?

You develop a product with a market.........There was a market for the JF-17 (that includes the PAF) you then develop the tech and know how for it.


Next time Bull keep your personal comments to yourself....It's not big and it's not clever.......

 

[Interceptor]

Well normally I wouldn't grace such a wonderful opinion with a reply. In your case I will make an exception due to the personal nature of your comment.

We have a saying which I feel sums up my point, "Do everything that is necessary. Do nothing that is not"
There is a great deal of difference between making a new discovery to make a technological leap and re-inventing the wheel.
When you have limited resources and a abundance of problems then you should prioritize.

That is what I was thinking.

Re-inventing the wheel concept that helped Pakistan many many times matter of fact it has helped many nation and industries. You have flair I have to say.

 

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[kidwaibhai]

dude apachi is really expensive and they are attack choppers i think we have good attack chopper arsenal and now we are getting the super cobras so thats good. the ospray is a good platform but do we really need it this thing is basically for aircraft carriers.

 

[HAIDER]

do you guys think era of attack helicopter is over...its not very effective against enemy, when people walkin around with manpads, like wildwest carry revolvers..

 

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[Keysersoze]

But i do like to see Pakistan to have Apache, Mil mi-24 Hind (see Rambo), Chinook, V-22 Ospray, Kamov Ka 50, s-80 super stallion and MD Huges 500 defender ( a small copter but extremly moveable) in there arsenal :p :p :p

Transports were needed for the earthquake and all the helo's bar one are attack helicopters.

Apache--very expensive very high maintenance
Chinook-- good helo but again more expensive (with higher maintenance) than the Mi-17 which does the same thing.
V-22 Osprey--VERY VERY expensive plus no way are America is gonna release them.
Kamov Ka 50--expensive again and also there are doubts whether a single pilot can handle the workload even with advanced systems.
Super stallion-- again very expensive and it is a high maintenance
Hughes 500 defender? why? thre are other choppers which do the same thing already in place.

Dude I would say you have been flicking through a book and deciding which helicopters look "cool"

You talk of bridging a gap but I don't know which gap you are refering to?

 

[Keysersoze]

dude apachi is really expensive and they are attack choppers i think we have good attack chopper arsenal and now we are getting the super cobras so thats good. the ospray is a good platform but do we really need it this thing is basically for aircraft carriers.

Where did you hear that? The only thing I have heard in this regard is that there is a requirement for 30-40 new attack helicopters but I have not heard about the AH1-Z

 

[Interceptor]

The Chinnese Z-10 attack chopper has potential if it has the right price.

 

[Keysersoze]

The Chinnese Z-10 attack chopper has potential if it has the right price.

Last I heard the two main contenders were Denel's Rooivalk (which may have been scuppered because of the Turkish decision to go with the Eurocopter Tiger) and the Eurocopter Tiger.

The Rooivalk got ruled out because it has French components and the Turks got pissed with the French because of the whole Armenian thing...