Pakistan's Hatf 9 promoted as a counter to India's Prahaar

[farhan_9909]

I didnt say cities, I said cants and bases.
And frankly, it barely makes a difference. Apart from a couple of border towns, PAF isnt bombing anything more than a couple of days.

Not sure About India but incase of Pakistan the cannts are very much within the cities.any other pakistan can also confirm so

Well PAF will most probably remain defensive and only a couple of squadrons will be dedicated for strike role.

other than this cruise missile will be used against India's main cities.

Not sure though how much far mumbai is from the GLCM babur if fired from karachi.

Vastly

So does the pakistan forces

Yeah, thats not happening mate. An overwhelming amount of the fighting is going to be in Pakistani territory despite what fanbois believe.

Pakistan has all the possible weapons to break the thrust of India's advancing army into Pakistan.

and the moment India's forces reaches within Pakistan territory.our forces will withdraw and Nasr will start the bombardment with tacticle nukes

 

[Contrarian]

I do not really understand why the Indians always overestimate themselves whilst assuming that the other side will be sitting quiet , does the other side not have it to retaliate ? . If the situations that rosy for you , I guess you should have crossed back at the time of Mumbai attack . If the military capability has been so " VASTLY " improved since Op.Parakram since then , why did the " nuclear deterrence " work again - the fourth time in history after Pakistan went nuclear ?

Because it was nuclear deterrence not conventional deterrence.
Pakistan's conventional capability vis-a-vis India has been steadily declining over the last two decades.

However India has no answer to risk a nuclear war, so the nuclear deterrence works each and every time.

Pakistan has all the possible weapons to break the thrust of India's advancing army into Pakistan.

and the moment India's forces reaches within Pakistan territory.our forces will withdraw and Nasr will start the bombardment with tacticle nukes

I can now see im talking with a kid/fanboi.
Take care.

 

[Secur]

Because it was nuclear deterrence not conventional deterrence.
Pakistan's conventional capability vis-a-vis India has been steadily declining over the last two decades.

However India has no answer to risk a nuclear war, so the nuclear deterrence works each and every time.

Then , nothing has changed in this regard , I wasn't hinting at conventional deterrence since the Islamabad plans to counter the all new " Cold start " with its WMD's if all goes wrong ( worst case scenario ) , whatever it may then result in .

 

[farhan_9909]

Yeah, apart from ATGM's, there has been no procurement by Pakistan that suggests an active effort and capability to stop that offensive thrust.

Maybe its the lack of money, but at the end of the day, the assets that are required to prevent it successfully are not there.

Well Pakistan does has some serious inventory of weapons meant to break the thrust of india offensive column's

such as


*A-100MRL with 120km range
*Pakistan MRL with 45km range
*Self propelled artillary
*ATGM's
*A new ATGM tested in dec 2010 with improve guidense and range(believed to be a pakistan 3rd gen ATGM)
*Al khalid tank
*t-80ud
*al zarar tank
*variety of artillary
*with atleast 4-6lac troops deployed on the border
*JF-17 giving them CAS,with active PGM's,
*F-16 also for CAS role
*full time monitering by UAV's and even Armed UCAV's for a possible strike of strategic weapon such as Prahaar

i am yet to mention many such more

Now tell me sir what else do you think pak should procure.is there anything new discovered yet?

I can now see im talking with a kid/fanboi.
Take care.

well sir its a reality.Pakistan is indeed extremely serious about using nasr.

if you think that nasr is developed only for show off purpose and pakistan is also wasting million of dollars in the so called azm e nau exercise for a possible threat of india CSD than God help you

Nasr was developed to be used.Not to be kept for show off

 

[Secur]

MRLS (120 KM range), Artillery pieces procured from China, Turkey, USA, Net centric warfare, Upgraded Tanks connected with each other backed up by Army aviation.

You are looking for the word " network centric warfare " .

Yes , Pakistan has heavily invested in it and the concept has been validated during the last Azm-Nau exercises to the best of our knowledge .

 

[RescueRanger]

This is worth a read.

Thank you for sharing, will have to secure a copy.

 

[Contrarian]

Then , nothing has changed in this regard , I wasn't hinting at conventional deterrence since the Islamabad plans to counter the all new " Cold start " with its WMD's if all goes wrong ( worst case scenario ) , whatever it may then result in .

With regard to nuclear overhang. Not much.
Its still the last and most potent guarantor of Pakistani security.

I was merely talking about the conventional aspects. Over the last two decades, Pakistan has failed to keep matching India in modernization of Armed Forces. Maybe its because of the economy, but Indian forces have/are modernizing much faster than Pakistan's. And that is creating a wider conventional gap.

At the end of the day whether that gap is used or not is still hazy because of the nuclear weapons. This gap will initself cause lowering of red lines by Pakistan.

 

[Zarvan]

You are looking for the word " network centric warfare " .

Yes , Pakistan has heavily invested in it and the concept has been validated during the last Azm-Nau exercises to the best of our knowledge .

I think we need to work on building our conventional power too and JF-17 and J-10 B along with new Frigates and Destroyers and nuclear submarines are the key and for that we have to work on economy and take help of friends too if needed

 

[itachiii]

in 2011-02 standoff it took india billion of dollars and 1800 troops death toll only for the deployment of troops near the border.
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any proof ?

 

[GURU DUTT]

Well Pakistan does has some serious inventory of weapons meant to break the thrust of india offensive column's

such as


*A-100MRL with 120km range
*Pakistan MRL with 45km range
*Self propelled artillary
*ATGM's
*A new ATGM tested in dec 2010 with improve guidense and range(believed to be a pakistan 3rd gen ATGM)
*Al khalid tank
*t-80ud
*al zarar tank
*variety of artillary
*with atleast 4-6lac troops deployed on the border
*JF-17 giving them CAS,with active PGM's,
*F-16 also for CAS role
*full time monitering by UAV's and even Armed UCAV's for a possible strike of strategic weapon such as Prahaar

i am yet to mention many such more

Now tell me sir what else do you think pak should procure.is there anything new discovered yet?



well sir its a reality.Pakistan is indeed extremely serious about using nasr.

if you think that nasr is developed only for show off purpose and pakistan is also wasting million of dollars in the so called azm e nau exercise for a possible threat of india CSD than God help you

Nasr was developed to be used.Not to be kept for show off

well brother there are many ways to fight a war and get your enemy into submission and this "CSD" was just a eyeflash to deviate your attentions from the real issues and it looks like india suceeded in it with flying colours

now as for your all mighty Haft-9 and devine al khaled , zararr tanks and gods gift to aviation JF17"for CAS role"....well brother ever thought what we have to counter it lolzz parhaar is a joke you dont have any idea of the real thing but still no harm in dreaming & living in denial & making conspiracy theories which is your nations national time pass ...but my brother war is not a joke and y even your Top PA genrals know it

the fact of the matter is Nasr is a reflection of pakistans policy to deal with the whole world for the last 66 years and that is "blackmailing whole world by putting a gun on your own head"...hope u got the message sir

 

[farhan_9909]

any proof ?

oops i meant 2001-02 standoff.

source is google search or wiki.the source from indian media as well as western are attached to the claims in wiki article about "2001-02 indo pak stand off"

Ask me if you could not find

any proof ?

oops i meant 2001-02 standoff.

source is google search or wiki.the source from indian media as well as western are attached to the claims in wiki article about "2001-02 indo pak stand off"

Ask me if you could not find

 

[Secur]

With regard to nuclear overhang. Not much.
Its still the last and most potent guarantor of Pakistani security.

Isn't the answer to Samson's riddle this time that " Pakistan was never supposed to match or exceed India in the conventional aspect because of the size and resources and hence developed nuclear weapons and kept building on that " ? Though , I agree Islamabad has failed to keep up the pace , in the last two decades .

the fact of the matter is Nasr is a reflection of pakistans policy to deal with the whole world for the last 66 years and that is "blackmailing whole world by putting a gun on your own head"...hope u got the message sir

For the last 66 years ? You have forgotten to troll " technically " somehow ? Though I do not understand the frustration this time seeing the Pakistani inventory from you , unlike you , who considers it as his duty to share the list of the entire weapons that India has , in usually every thread , at least that person sanely said for " countering an offensive thrust " .

 

[farhan_9909]

Ok got it

@itachiii
India suffered 1,874 casualties without fighting a war - Times Of India

Only a decade before India wanted to advance into Pakistan.they thought the situation would be similar to as was in the 1965 though in the end they lost more than1800 troops without even the war being waged

NEW DELHI: The life of an Indian Army soldier comes cheap. The US-led coalition forces lost just around 150 personnel during the recent Iraq operations. In sharp contrast, and without going to war, almost 2,000 Indian Army soldiers were killed or wounded during the 10-month forward deployment along the Indo-Pak border last year.

Next time the Death toll will be no less than 70% of India's army strength

 

[FNFAL]

Next time the Death toll will be no less than 70% of India's army strength

Are you weak in probability calculation? You do understand that this statement makes a mockery of this forum..??

 

[GURU DUTT]

Isn't the answer to Samson's riddle this time that " Pakistan was never supposed to match or exceed India in the conventional aspect because of the size and resources and hence developed nuclear weapons and kept building on that " ? Though , I agree Islamabad has failed to keep up the pace , in the last two decades .



For the last 66 years ? You have forgotten to troll " technically " somehow ? Though I do not understand the frustration this time seeing the Pakistani inventory from you , unlike you , who considers it as his duty to share the list of the entire weapons that India has , in usually every thread , at least that person sanely said for " countering an offensive thrust " .

well buddy thing is PA is making fool of pakistani nation as a whole for the last 66 years of your history and in whichever problem you find yourself today is a contineuation and results of policies used by PA but the thread is about your devine Haft-9/Nasr well brother serousli we dont feel need to be worried about it as we already have enof missiles in owr inoventorry that can take owt all important targets in Punjab, multan,Azad Kashmir, sindh KPK and some parts of baloochistan and that two within couple of minutes and to counter your thread i guess you know what are owr preprations...so keep dreaming and dancing about the might of your missiles till the time comes till then