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i claimed nothing i just gave you official statements from the company from 6 years ago. To prove that Pakistan has been developing drones from almost a decade ago. Finally it has learnt how to Arm them with a bomb be it dumb or guided that might be debatable.
yet you are grasping straws here. you want me to dig up company balance sheets of a PRIVATE company for what purpose i don't understand . So i would rather you do that yourself.
Again, you made claims and i queried about your statements which you failed to provide, but made counter question to escape from my query.Any way let's close the chapter...
I will strongly support the idea to export it to other 3rd world countries such as India .... that might be helpful for them in their cause of fight against Naxalite & Maoist insurgencies ....
LET ME correct you. you claimed that this is a paint job of a Chinese drone. However, you failed to provide any source or proof. except a "gut feeling".
then you diverted the topic to figures of a privately owned company. I have provided you with their contact details you may get in touch and ask yourself.
How would that prove that this is a paint job of a chinese drone after attaining the figures i fail to understand.
with gut feelings the problem is india's pride the ARHIANT too could be classified as a paint job. However, gut feelings can't be accepted.
speaking of drones, what happened to that plastic cr4p you guys flew at LOC? the one we brought down with friggin assault riflesTall claims !! Its good the so called UAV Buraq or chinese CH-3 armed with Burq or chinese AR-1 missile is working for the pakistani army against the insurgent but claiming Pakistan to be the first other than USA to develop, fly test and use these indigenous stuff is more influenced with the national pride rather than reality.
Lets see whether Pakistan have the capability to produce something about this magnitude.
1. Pakistan hasn’t cultivated a indigenous Engine programs.
2. Pakistan hasn’t made major break troughs in sensors programs.
3. Pakistan hasn’t made any break troughs in the Wind tunnel technology that is a crucial deciding feature in the designing of a UAV.
These are the basic technologies involved in the developing a credible UAV system. Even if the engines and sensor suite are imported the design phase itself is an extremely sophisticated process. Developing and installing the engines and sensor suite is an extremely cumbersome process.
Looking at the picture as a layman person I can very well see its just paint job of chinese CH-3.
The 3rd world country as per your opinion has all these, may i know what world you are living 10th or 11th ?
Even though india is have short comings still...
1. India is the 7th largest economy by nominal and 3rd largest by GDP PPP
2. India is the 3rd largest producer of electricity, the state like gujarat produce more electricity than whole pakistan
3. India now become 3rd largest consumer of oil overtaking japan
4. India going to overtake japan in 2016 as the 2nd largest producer of steel
5. India road and rail network is one of the biggest in the world
6. India is one of the biggest Software and Pharmaceutical industry in the world
7. India is one of the biggest producer of cement and coal
8. India have one of the largest pool of engineers,doctors,technicians in the world
9. India is one of the biggest soft power in the world
10. India is home to largest film industry in the world
11. India is having the biggest remittance figure in the world
12. India is the top producer of many agricultural products,Milk in the world
13. India is the 4th most powerful military in the world
14. India is home to one of the largest billionaires in the world
15. India is having largest oil refinery in the world
16. India one of the biggest space power
17. India is the biggest gold consumer
18. India is the fastest growing economy
Don't force us to make out of topic subjects buddy...
Show me where i said that it's a paint job? Don't expose you as a liar....
If you are exporting drone technology to west as per your claim, then why you don't like to share the technology to China after all china is a 125 billion dollar military budget.
So @Technogaianist @Nihonjin1051 - What do you guys make of our newest baby ?
This drone and prospects of better ones being built and used by Pakistan could be a force multiplier of sorts....right ?
Next step would be to have my Pizza delivered through a Drone !
This is yesterday's news, most of us will not make tall claims as its embarrassing there after if proved wrong
GABORONE, Botswana — Indian military vehicle manufacturers have joined the scramble for the African defense market with Tata Motors and Ashok Leyland delivering nearly 1,200 vehicles to at least six African armies between February and July.
In July, Ashok Leyland delivered 633 out of an order of 670 troop carriers, buses, transport trucks, water tankers, fuel tankers, fire-tenders, ambulances and light commercial vehicles ordered by the Zimbabwe Defense Forces late last year. The equipment was acquired at a cost of US $50 million secured from India's Exim Bank.
A Zimbabwean government official who declined to be identified told the privately owned Zimbabwe Independent business weekly that Ashok Leyland will also provide training for Zimbabwean technical staff in vehicle operation and maintenance.
“The vehicles, which include military tankers, trucks and buses, have been delivered and are being kept at the Zimbabwe National Army Ordnance Supply Depot in Harare pending distribution to various Army bases around the country," said the official.
He said the vehicles were ordered under cover of the Ministry of Hospitality and Tourism to avoid a political backlash from opposition and civil rights groups who have protested against the prioritization of military acquisitions in a country with pressing social and economic problems.
The Army declined to comment on the delivery, but Hospitality and Tourism Minister Walter Mzembi confirmed it, saying some of the vehicles will be used to promote tourism and undertake anti-poaching operations while the rest will be used by other government departments, which include the Army and the police.
Speaking at a ceremony held at the port of Mumbai, India, on July 26, Exim Bank Managing Director Yaduvendra Mathur said the bank's Buyer Credit initiative, which falls under the National Export Insurance Account, is a unique mechanism that provides safe financing options to Indian exporters and helps them gain access to new markets in developing countries.
Indian defense market analyst Nitin Mehta told Defense News that the Zimbabwean contract presents a unique opportunity for Ashok Leyland to consolidate its position in the African defense market, which is predicted to grow to $20 billion by 2020.
“The contract with a private sector defense company is the beginning of a new market opportunity in Africa and the growing Indian defense market," Mehta said.
In addition to Zimbabwe, Ashok Leyland is supplying the same vehicle configurations to the Tanzanian People's Defense Force at a cost of nearly $35 million. Commenting on the Zimbabwean and Tanzanian orders, Ashok Leyland Managing Director Vinod Dasari said the company deliberately shifted its focus to meet the needs of the African military and commercial vehicle markets to boost sales.
"These projects are a continuation of the many pilot projects we have done across Africa to offer integrated solutions and these orders have been won in the face of stiff global competition. It is very encouraging to see our efforts bear fruit. I am confident this is the beginning of a successful new area of enhanced cooperation between Ashok Leyland, Africa and our valued customers," Dasari said.
He said the company previously supplied military vehicles to Kenya, Djibouti and the Seychelles, while Botswana ordered a limited number of its commercial trucks and buses for use by government departments.
At the same time, Tata Motors announced it delivered 550 out of the 585 military vehicles ordered for at least four African armies taking part in the United Nations Multi-dimensional Integrated Stabilization Mission in Mali (MINUSMA) peacekeeping force in Mali.
The vehicles include troop carriers, water and fuel tankers, recovery and refrigeration trucks and buses. Vernon Noronha, Tata Motors vice president for defense and government business, told Indian newspaper The Hindu that the company has expanded its range of products to meet the military demands of Africa and other regions of the developing world.
“Tata Motors exports its range of specialized defense vehicles to South America, Asia and the African regions. With its rich portfolio of multi-axle 12x12, 8x8 and 6x6 heavy-duty vehicles, the company has started supplying vehicles across the world, having established itself as a supplier of specialist vehicles. We have already delivered 550 units to Mali and we are in the process of delivering the rest," Noronha said.
Apart from Africa, Tata Motors last year won a contract to supply 1,239 high-mobility vehicles with cargo cranes and 500 units of General Service vehicles to the Myanmar Army and the Malaysian Army.
He said the company is looking to expand the export of troop and weapons carrying variants of military vehicles to more countries in the North African and Middle Eastern regions in the near future.
Indian Companies Stake Claim to African Vehicle Market
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My response to all of this is:
"Who said I was talking about India!!!!???!!!!"
As noted in the OP, Pakistan's drone are being turned on militants within their own country!
I made several passing remarks about India, yes I acknowledge that, but the whole post was a reference to Pakistan's counter-insurgency operations.
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If I wanted to analyze their effectiveness against Indian military, control or command assets I would have, but you blew that up far beyond what I said.
Does it change the reality that INDIA IS STILL A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY ..... why so much fuss about it .... BTW if you are not agree with my suggestion just say it nicely ....
but India has all the tech support from Israel and many countries.The 3rd world country as per your opinion has all these, may i know what world you are living 10th or 11th ?
Even though india is have short comings still...
1. India is the 7th largest economy by nominal and 3rd largest by GDP PPP
2. India is the 3rd largest producer of electricity, the state like gujarat produce more electricity than whole pakistan
3. India now become 3rd largest consumer of oil overtaking japan
4. India going to overtake japan in 2016 as the 2nd largest producer of steel
5. India road and rail network is one of the biggest in the world
6. India is one of the biggest Software and Pharmaceutical industry in the world
7. India is one of the biggest producer of cement and coal
8. India have one of the largest pool of engineers,doctors,technicians in the world
9. India is one of the biggest soft power in the world
10. India is home to largest film industry in the world
11. India is having the biggest remittance figure in the world
12. India is the top producer of many agricultural products,Milk in the world
13. India is the 4th most powerful military in the world
14. India is home to one of the largest billionaires in the world
15. India is having largest oil refinery in the world
16. India one of the biggest space power
17. India is the biggest gold consumer
18. India is the fastest growing economy
Don't force us to make out of topic subjects buddy...
Show me where i said that it's a paint job? Don't expose you as a liar....
Same applies for India. None of Indian programs are ingenuously developed but rather TOT of western/isreali technologies with "made in india" tag.
You have taken the word circus too seriously but now since you are putting so much emphasis on that this the first time read the word circus in a journal written by Sqn Ldr (Retd) SHUAIB ALAM KHAN@knight11 since you seem so adamant and you did mention the word circus.
What would you term as a circus, a project which is made public after getting certified or the one that keeps making headlines for giving deadlines on FOC, or the manufacturers are compelled to release statements on every turn and twist it executes.
For argument sake, like the carry on with your LCA project, how many aircraft producers around the world give press release on their projects achieving any milestones, like weapon releasing or clearing on hot and high tests....on the contrary, Pakistan went about it quietly like most when testing and evaluating on the JF-17 was done...similar applies on other defence related equipment produced by Pakistan.....as for the paint job, what a coincidence, DRDO must be carrying the same practice with their Rustom .
did you read the link i shared? or you just thought's let's troll first then check?
NOT ARMED drones. We are exporting basic drones. unarmed. but ofcourse i understand your pain.
bar the genuinely ignorant posters here who don't know much about the drone program. I can say most of the people who have been following the story of Pakistani drones, know well that this industry is well established among public and private sector and has regular Western customers including Americans. instead of providing the nay sayer's the ease of link I will expect them to look up our private industry websites and their customers.
you are correct that no company publishes every milestone to appease the critics and butthurt community specially the military drones (and more specifically armed versions) are highly classified and no amount of baiting by some Indians will result in any one of divulging more than what is already a public knowledge. I request all other people who happen to know people involved in the drone program, not to be tempted to share something which is supposed to be a classified. you will not only put your self in trouble but also compromise security and get your source guy in trouble too.
It was @knight11 who was going on about a paint job and then you jumped in to troll.
Indian UAV program was started by IsraelEvery country gets tech support and not new.Even US got majority tech advancement from brains abroad.