Pakistan's first indigenous armed drone "BURAQ" kills 3 militants in Shawal: ISPR

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

Gentlemen

We are advancing to the electronic warfare. Wow, using drones to kill the hell bound terrorists, gives an awesome feel.

 

[knight11]

Indians dare not fly their single engine aircraft on their republic day parade for even a level flight, where as PAF has the ability and confidence to repeatedly carry out displays in single engine fighters right above the capital .... what does that tell you.

Dear Sir, you are very respected senior Pakistani member and I was not expecting this from you.
Any way first of all IAF is not a circus airforce to showoff there aerobatic skills on the sky for the general public consumption and Indian armed force just showcase their capability not the might if you are comparing with the chinese or the former soviet grand parade. Technically India don't allow single engine fighter plane to fly past for the safety reason you understand what I means. Wearing helmet while driving bike is for the safety purpose and does not means he is scarred as compared to the person driving without helmet.

So you mean to say, all other air forces which carry out displays are part of the circus, USAF, USN, RAF, RNLAF, just to name but a few.'''' in any case, i believe it was after an IAF Mirage-2000 crashed into a crowd, these restrictions were applied.
as for your query, there's plenty info on the net to get some knowledge.

NESCOM Burraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1 All these displays are meant for the public consumption to clap.

2. Many members here believed that wikipedia is not a good reliable source but the link of the Nescom Burraq of wikipedia pls have a look

Overview
Development
Main article: Drone Attacks on Pakistan by the United States of America
Since 2004, the United States (US) has been conducting controversial strikes with its own UCAV systems in Pakistan's north-west territories, that target suspected militants in the region.[6] For years, Pakistan had been pushing the US to allow it to acquire the MQ-1 Predator, the main UCAV system the US uses in the strikes, but such requests were denied amid fear of technology proliferation.[7] Burraq development is though to have primarily begun in 2009, with the contract being awarded to NESCOM in close coordination with the Pakistan Air Force.[1]

Growing frustration over the US refusal and politicization of the US UCAV strikes in the country, the Burraq program is thought to have picked up its speed in secrecy.[8] In 2012, China offered to help by selling Pakistan armed drones it had developed, but questions were raised about the capabilities of the drones.[8] The first few models of the Burraq were only capable of surveillance and intelligence gathering, and lacked any offensive combat capability. Some of these early models were used by the Pakistani military to track down militants. The first combat capable version of the Burraq was first publicly demonstrated in March 2015.[7]

The Burraq is thought to be mostly influenced by the US Predator and the Chinese CASC Rainbow CH-3.

About the Burraq program, Popular Science noted: "with the Burraq, Pakistan can now do drone strikes on their own, without the United States."[9] However Jane's claims that the origin of the UAV and missile is questionable.[10]

Origin of name
The name, Burraq, comes from the legendary creature mentioned in al-Isra, (sura) in the Qur'an.[11] According to Islamic traditions, Buraq is a steed, described as a creature from the heavens which carried Muhammad from Mecca to Jerusalem, and back during the Isra and Mi'raj (lit. "Night Journey"), which is the title of one of the chapters al-Isra, (sura) in the Qur'an.[12]

Use in military operations
Main article: Operation Khyber-1
Before the Burraq was publicly unveiled for the first time, the Pakistani military reportedly conducted several strikes using the UCAV, as part of Operation Khyber-1 military operations in the Tirah Valley.[13]

But I could not make anything from this.

A simple observation of picture tells me its just chinese CH-3 which is licensed produced. If you differ with this pls give some valid points or show me pakistan possess the capability to develop such system inhouse.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Not a first but we can say "Billee theley se bahar a gai he"

exactly.. its not the first one. from now on some drone attacks wont get an automatic "American Label" and taunts of sovereignty violation (by some posters) will subside too

 

[Darth Vader]

Tell me how you have capability to produce UAV than without having any capability while the countries like India are struggling. Please give me some facts, figures, picture, history, statastics, testing, design, engine/guidance system/aerodynamic details anything....

India Struggle in everything be a car , tank , jet , boat, sub being delayed is ur fav national pass time after day dreaming

 

[knight11]

India's incapability should not be projected on Pakistan's ability. Whether we have acquired the capability, licensed produced it, or made it locally, fact is that we HAVE it. Your frustration is evidence, and acceptance, or India's lack of capability in UCAV. It doesn't matter how we go it, but we end up producing many things ourselves eventually.



For a circus, aircraft have to be serviceable, or as you may like, circus able. to show-off skills, one has to have skills. Something's really burning, and I am sure its something in addition to those fighter aircraft tyres on RTB and recovery.

Billal Janab there is difference between the ability and big mouth tall claim blabbering and my reference to similarity between the Burraqq and CH-3 is not my frustration but your reply is showing it. Indians still struggling in the development of combat ucav was the example to show how difficulty in the development even with more R&D capability, facility, funds.

How would the circus show and aerobic skills during the show is going to benifit you in increasing your combat capabilities.

India Struggle in everything be a car , tank , jet , boat, sub being delayed is ur fav national pass time after day dreaming

Ok you are right pls go outside and play let us have some serious discussion

 

[I S I]

Billal Janab there is difference between the ability and big mouth tall claim blabbering and my reference to similarity between the Burraqq and CH-3 is not my frustration but your reply is showing it. Indians still struggling in the development of combat ucav was the example to show how difficulty in the development even with more R&D capability, facility, funds.

How would the circus show and aerobic skills during the show is going to benifit you in increasing your combat capabilities.


Ok you are right pls go outside and play let us have some serious discussion

That so called 'circus show' was for entertaining people of Pakistan. For you guys, we have new capabilities like the one you're reading about in this thread.

 

[Darth Vader]

Billal Janab there is difference between the ability and big mouth tall claim blabbering and my reference to similarity between the Burraqq and CH-3 is not my frustration but your reply is showing it. Indians still struggling in the development of combat ucav was the example to show how difficulty in the development even with more R&D capability, facility, funds.

How would the circus show and aerobic skills during the show is going to benifit you in increasing your combat capabilities.


Ok you are right pls go outside and play let us have some serious discussion

? Cricket , Didnt india stopped playing cricket cz daud lives in Earth and guys are boycotting cricket with earthlings and trying to setup a base on Mars to plar with Martians

 

[Darth Vader]

Billal Janab there is difference between the ability and big mouth tall claim blabbering and my reference to similarity between the Burraqq and CH-3 is not my frustration but your reply is showing it. Indians still struggling in the development of combat ucav was the example to show how difficulty in the development even with more R&D capability, facility, funds.

How would the circus show and aerobic skills during the show is going to benifit you in increasing your combat capabilities.

India isnt centre of World neither its most Advance Country So If India Cant Solve That Problem No one Else Can
While Talking About Similarities So If Two Platforms Look Similar Means They are Same So In You Worlds Tejas is Also the new name of Mirage Series Because they Look Similar or You mean Jet Hows AirFrame is Similar to some other system is Same You Must Be kidding me
Many Private Firms and Military has been working on these Birds For more then Decade So It wasn't Some thing Impossible But Still these Birds Are long way from their counter parts in West
If this Bird Was Some Pant Job From China you would have seen it lot sooner in action in Pak

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Can anyone enlighten us that in case of Burraq or as a matter of fact any UCAV the ground target is lased by aircraft itself or from ground or both is possible?

not sure if such information will be available but both such features can be accommodated in drones and jets

 

[ice_man]

is it our fault you are struggling?

the link i had given if you spent a moment reading it you would have known. that private sector companies along with PAC, AIR WEAPONS COMPLEX have been after the drone technology for last 20 years.

Infact we have been exporting non armed drones to countries such as US,AUSTRALIA,SPAIN,ITALY & FRANCE.

@knight11 did you read the link i posted?

Drones: Made in Pakistan - - DAWN.COM

or you still wish to troll

 

[Paksanity]

Dear Sir, you are very respected senior Pakistani member and I was not expecting this from you.
Any way first of all IAF is not a circus airforce to showoff there aerobatic skills on the sky for the general public consumption and Indian armed force just showcase their capability not the might if you are comparing with the chinese or the former soviet grand parade. Technically India don't allow single engine fighter plane to fly past for the safety reason you understand what I means. Wearing helmet while driving bike is for the safety purpose and does not means he is scarred as compared to the person driving without helmet.

1 All these displays are meant for the public consumption to clap.

2. Many members here believed that wikipedia is not a good reliable source but the link of the Nescom Burraq of wikipedia pls have a look

Overview
Development
Main article: Drone Attacks on Pakistan by the United States of America
Since 2004, the United States (US) has been conducting controversial strikes with its own UCAV systems in Pakistan's north-west territories, that target suspected militants in the region.[6] For years, Pakistan had been pushing the US to allow it to acquire the MQ-1 Predator, the main UCAV system the US uses in the strikes, but such requests were denied amid fear of technology proliferation.[7] Burraq development is though to have primarily begun in 2009, with the contract being awarded to NESCOM in close coordination with the Pakistan Air Force.[1]

Growing frustration over the US refusal and politicization of the US UCAV strikes in the country, the Burraq program is thought to have picked up its speed in secrecy.[8] In 2012, China offered to help by selling Pakistan armed drones it had developed, but questions were raised about the capabilities of the drones.[8] The first few models of the Burraq were only capable of surveillance and intelligence gathering, and lacked any offensive combat capability. Some of these early models were used by the Pakistani military to track down militants. The first combat capable version of the Burraq was first publicly demonstrated in March 2015.[7]

The Burraq is thought to be mostly influenced by the US Predator and the Chinese CASC Rainbow CH-3.

About the Burraq program, Popular Science noted: "with the Burraq, Pakistan can now do drone strikes on their own, without the United States."[9] However Jane's claims that the origin of the UAV and missile is questionable.[10]

Origin of name
The name, Burraq, comes from the legendary creature mentioned in al-Isra, (sura) in the Qur'an.[11] According to Islamic traditions, Buraq is a steed, described as a creature from the heavens which carried Muhammad from Mecca to Jerusalem, and back during the Isra and Mi'raj (lit. "Night Journey"), which is the title of one of the chapters al-Isra, (sura) in the Qur'an.[12]

Use in military operations
Main article: Operation Khyber-1
Before the Burraq was publicly unveiled for the first time, the Pakistani military reportedly conducted several strikes using the UCAV, as part of Operation Khyber-1 military operations in the Tirah Valley.[13]

But I could not make anything from this.

A simple observation of picture tells me its just chinese CH-3 which is licensed produced. If you differ with this pls give some valid points or show me pakistan possess the capability to develop such system inhouse.

Success of any program or projects comes down to factors like intellectual base, technological base, experience and expertise in that field, commitment and support of governing bodies especially willingness to fund R&D and acquisition of critical technology from a mature source like US, China or getting your hands on a good sample for reverse engineering. It has nothing to do with how big or powerful that country is in other fields. For example Sweden is far advance in aviation technology than larger India. Because they have been working on it relentlessly.

Pakistan had identified UAV as an important tool in future defence and has been working on it for two decades on it. Program had been funded well and Pakistan now has the intellectual and technological base. There have been some lucky breakthroughs like transfer of technology with Falco UAV, crashing of multiple US UAVs and advances made by Chinese in this field. Indian posters will often try to embarass us with "it's a chinese copy" or you just stole it from Predator drone. Well I for one don't mind that. If our scientists and engineers done that, it's very good. It shortens the lengthy process and in the end all that matters is we have a working machine that can take out our enemies. Remember how US scooped up V-2 rockets and nuclear scientists of Germany? Shameful? No. Wise? Yes.

Development of Burraq has been a closely guarded secret and not much will be known in near future. It's resemblance to CH-3 may be more than a coincidence but is it just a repainted CH-3?? I beg to differ here. China has no problem exporting us CH-3s, they will gladly do that. They will even give it for free so as to be used against terrorists and get the battle proven stamp. Good for their industry prestige and business. In all probability they gave the design to cut cost of designing a bird from ground up. They may have transferred missile development technology as well. But they won't let go an opportunity to boast their technology if it was entirely theirs. It's not is more plausible. Given that a UAV platform does not have to be a marvel of aerodynamics to beat F-22 in dogfight, it makes a lot more sense to pick a suitable design and start working on weapon systems and sensor technology. It cuts costs and kills undue delays.

Let's not forget Pakistan's expertise in this field. If we have a large pool of professionals in this field and they are adequately funded and supported, there is no reason they can't pull it off. Add into the mix continuously crashing US drones in Pakistan that we can lay our hands on and you are getting close to your answer. Just like our nuclear program that we were determined to succeed in at all costs, we probably treated UAV program with same spirit. Chances are we will see better and advanced examples in future. As to why India has struggled, answer may lie in some of the factors I mentioned or it may be plain bad luck. I don't know but as far our program all pakistani's here know that we have been after this technology for a long time and all that effort is bearing it's fruits now.

You should happy that we are killing terrorists with these machines, no?

 

[Stag112]

Well as indigenous as the FC1.

Who cares as long as terrorists are killed. Good job ISPR.

 

[Mr.Nair]

Is any chance that Pakistan export drones to china or share sensitive technology?

Pakistan has joined a small club of nations, including the US, UK and Israel, to have successfully used a remote-controlled aircraft

 

[dilpakistani]

What the hell Indians are doing here!!?? Not relevant to you guys... So Shut-up...

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Tall claims !! Its good the so called UAV Buraq or chinese CH-3 armed with Burq or chinese AR-1 missile is working for the pakistani army against the insurgent but claiming Pakistan to be the first other than USA to develop, fly test and use these indigenous stuff is more influenced with the national pride rather than reality.

Lets see whether Pakistan have the capability to produce something about this magnitude.

1. Pakistan hasn’t cultivated a indigenous Engine programs.
2. Pakistan hasn’t made major break troughs in sensors programs.
3. Pakistan hasn’t made any break troughs in the Wind tunnel technology that is a crucial deciding feature in the designing of a UAV.

These are the basic technologies involved in the developing a credible UAV system. Even if the engines and sensor suite are imported the design phase itself is an extremely sophisticated process. Developing and installing the engines and sensor suite is an extremely cumbersome process.

Looking at the picture as a layman person I can very well see its just paint job of chinese CH-3.

Same applies for India. None of Indian programs are ingenuously developed but rather TOT of western/isreali technologies with "made in india" tag.