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The Soviet Union had warned Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto at the height of the Cold War in the 1960s that it would take Pakistan's "eyes out" if it looked at India in an inimical manner.

The then Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev delivered the warning to Bhutto when the Pakistani leader led his country's delegation to the United Nations, according to a new book based on the diaries of former military ruler Ayub Khan.

"Khrushchev, of course, abused Bhutto and said should Pakistan look towards India or Afghanistan, the Soviets would take our eyes out," said a noting made by Ayub Khan on May 23, 1967 with reference to a dinner he had with Said Hussain, who served as Pakistan's permanent represenative to the UN.

"He (Bhutto) told Khrushchev not to get angry: Pakistan was ready to quit the pacts (South East Aisa Treaty Organisation and Central Treaty Organisation)," said an excerpt of the book published in The News today.

The book, to be launched by Ayub Khan's son Gohar Ayub on May 4, also claims Bhutto volunteered to "spy" on all UN delegations for the US when he visited the world body as the head of the Pakistan's delegation.

"To Said Hassan's amazement, when seeing (then US Secretary of State Christian) Hutter, he (Bhutto) volunteered to spy for the USA on all UN delegations. When asked for an explanation, he said that because of our dependence on the USA, it was a good thing to oblige them," The News quoted Ayub Khan's noting in the diary.

Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party reacted strongly to the allegations, saying the charges -- like Gohar Ayub's previous claim that his father obtained India's war plans before the 1965 war -- lacked credibility.

"Said Hassan said he felt ashamed and came with a conclusion that the man was completely unreliable, double- faced and lacking in integrity and character," Ayub Khan wrote in his diary.

On returning from his studies at Oxford, Bhutto became a lecturer in Sindh Muslim Law College and later was part of different delegations that represented Pakistan at the UN from 1957. Bhutto served as Pakistan's prime minister during 1973-77.

Said Hassan was Pakistan's representative at the UN for about three years until around 1960. Later, he was appointed deputy chairman of the Planning Commission.

Hassan also made some damning remarks on Bhutto's conduct with the wife of former Indonesian President Sukarno.

"Similarly, the Japanese complained that Bhutto called them elusive animals in Algiers. From this and several other such instances in many capitals, it should be obvious how much harm he did to the reputation of Pakistan. There is no doubt about it that he is a man of despicable character and is a low down creature," the book said.

Bhutto did not find favour among Pakistan's military establishment. He was hanged in April 1979 by then military ruler Zia ul Haq on charges of murder.

He also came in for sharp criticism from President Pervez Musharaf in his autobiography "In the Line of Fire," in which he wrote that Bhutto was a fascist, using progressive rhetoric to promote regressive ends, the first of which was to "stay in power forever".

"I had come to the conclusion that Bhutto was the worst thing that yet happened to Pakistan. I still maintain that he did more damage to the country than anyone else, damage from which we have still not fully recovered."
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=467792
 
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This is a classic rant the pompous who wrote this is a lethargic devil he knows little and claims more but this is what the propaganda is all about; they don’t like Democratic regimes who are elected but the bitter whip of the military regime a dictatorship.

This is skulduggery, hatred is hard to forget dreaming about freedom; but it is hard to get, backstabbing people who are dead is lobotomy of history; that you have to accept. Even after murdering by falsehood spitted by the Military government, they don’t lay rest to backstab him more.
 
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First of all Pakistan didnt break Soviet Union, It collapsed on its own weight.
As far as I remember, Soviet Union and Pakistan never went for an all out War.

Secondly, This article is pure nonsense, diplomats other than Hugo Chavez and Ahmednijad dont talk in this manner. 'Eyes out' lol, this good for increasing domestic popularity..
 
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First of all Pakistan didnt break Soviet Union, It collapsed on its own weight.
As far as I remember, Soviet Union and Pakistan never went for an all out War.

We can go into a long debate with this, but Pakistan was pivotal in the fall of the sovet union along with it's other "so called allies" at the time. Who was going to fight the sovets if it wasn't through Pakistan? Also, know our SSG were also fighting aganist USSR along with Mujhadeen's even USSR generals mentioned this many times, we were the communication to that side of the battlefield :-)D Including shooting down their worthless planes). We sent our people their to fight and organized milita's (US was just the piggy bank/Stinger supplier). Without our weapons and man power, their was no way the Mujhadeen could have won

Also, know even German acknowledged that we were the ones to give the first blow:

I have seen a piece of the German Berlin Wall presented to a former Chief of Intelligence here. The caption is very interesting: "To one who struck the first blow".

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,357735,00.html

"It is well known that SSG regularly trained the Afghan fighters in guerilla tactics that proved quite successful against the occupying army. SSG officers and men were sent on ‘Extra Regimental Employment’ (ERE) duties to Afghanistan and took part in the actual fighting."

http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/army/regiments/ssg.html
 
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I have been following Pakistan history very closely. I never heard of the event described in the book. Only threat from Soviets that I have come across occurred after the famous U-2 incident (1960 or 61). Gary Powers had taken off from the Badabair Air base near Peshawar in the U-2 that was shot down by a USSR missile over Siberia. Pak Ambassador in Moscow was called to Kremlin and shown a map of Pakistan, according to heresy evidence Kruschev drew a red circle round Peshawer, that is all.

Gohar Ayub suffers from the age old problem of being under the shadow of a famous father. I only met once at the Federal Rifle Club premises in Karachi some time in 1967/68. He was trying out a new Weatherby 0.30 magnum rifle that he had recently purchased. Actual encounter lasted less than 10 minutes so difficult to form an opinion. People who knew him from close found him to be of average intellegence. No doubt Gohar Ayub had the advantage of meeting all the dignitaries coming to Pakistan as he was ADC to his father, the president.

How much of what he say is true is any one's guess. Most writers senationalize very minor events to make their books more sellable. Dont see how Gohar Ayub is any different.

On a lighter note, I can describe an incident that happened to me. My last name is also Gohar. I was an unmarried young man working for Esso in 1967, thus having good disposable income. One of my friends knew a film producer and used to frequent Eastern Studios in Karachi. He once invited me to a private party in Karachi where he had also invited a few film starlets. I met a young lady and tried to start conversation. When it came to the names , I said my name was Gohar. The starlet burst out laughing and called her friends over and introduced me as "Gohar Ayub" as a joke. No matter how much I tried to explain that Gohar was also my name, they thought that I was a 'con man' and wouldnt believe me. Naturally nothing came out this effort to strike friendship with a film actress.
 
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Yes but we kept poking the lion tamer in the eye all throughout its act.

Subtle... But it was us!

But this is pure nonsense as said by Cheetah.
 
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First of all Pakistan didnt break Soviet Union, It collapsed on its own weight.
As far as I remember, Soviet Union and Pakistan never went for an all out War.
Sovjet Union wouldn't have collapsed so fast if she'd conquerred Afghanistan. Pakistan did play a role even if its a minor one.

Secondly, This article is pure nonsense, diplomats other than Hugo Chavez and Ahmednijad dont talk in this manner. 'Eyes out' lol, this good for increasing domestic popularity..
On this I agree.
 
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Sovjet Union wouldn't have collapsed so fast if she'd conquerred Afghanistan. Pakistan did play a role even if its a minor one.
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And I agree there too, Pakistan did play a minor role,
 
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Soviet Union played the major role in its collapse. Pakistan never had any direct impact, nor had any direct confrontation. I would give the USA more credit, the Stars Wars campign and the bad economic Planners at SU, Etc etc.. I am not here to smooth talk about Pakistan, I am here to Discuss and that can be postive and negative about Pakistan. So get over it.
 
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Soviet Union played the major role in its collapse. Pakistan never had any direct impact, nor had any direct confrontation. I would give the USA more credit, the Stars Wars campign and the bad economic Planners at SU, Etc etc.. I am not here to smooth talk about Pakistan, I am here to Discuss and that can be postive and negative about Pakistan. So get over it.

It's foolish to say Pakistan has no direct impact or confrontation, if we didn't move along to fight aganist USSR, with US aid, then who would have fought USSR? The answer is no one, it would have still been here, ruling Afghan. In the Star war programs, US also went into debt, peoples' pockets were dug up, why you think the SS program in US is having problems, because it was used to pay for these military projects thus putting even more debt on US. US was smart to get out if it was stuck, where the USSR just went on hopelessely (similar to the US is doing right now), but also remember US role in the Afghan/USSR was nothing big to boast about, they were the piggy bank/and high-tech weapon suppliers along with KSA (even we could have supplied ourselves with money the way CIA was doing it through opium and other drug trading), but it was Pakistani training /Pakistani people/ Foreign fighters, which had direct confrontation through Pakistan, Iran was neutral and stuck in its own fight aganist Iraq at the time (thus didn't help us out so they can be ruled out of this conflict), so Pakistan was the only route to go with.

Pakistan regulars and SSG went in with regular clothes on, provided communication to the Mujhadeen and training (read books by Ex-Pakistani officers to get a bigger picture on what happened). Just ask any retired pakistani officer here or on another forum and they will tell you. Also, dont' forget the ISI role. Everything that went on was linked with Pakistan (ISI Chief Hamid Gul, theirs a reason he was know as the most dangerous man in ISI).

PS: To learn more just go to PakDef.info and ask their, cause they have alot of PA,PAF,PN, ex-officers, etc, who can shed more light cause what I know comes from books (Written by Pakistani officers who had a role) rather than relying 100% online articles.
 
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hulllo; I live in small hut and fish for living; I don't know about anything; I just post when I am high on cow dung smoke.
 
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