Pakistan's Economy: What Pakistan's youth can do about it?

[Azadkashmir]

it very hard try importing watch what happens, chacha wants his share or your stuff is not going to be relased so forget machine tool imports they bloody steal choclate biscuits gift that oversea pakistanis send over.

dumb people cant even make a simple atta dough kneading machine i bought one which had a fake motor in it. everybody is a crook and a liar. when you have a nation that has no skills except in money bribes then this is what you get. you need stalin you need a leader that so ruthless that he would have his son executed for just looking at him wrongly then progress will happen.

 

[countryman]

it very hard try importing watch what happens, chacha wants his share or your stuff is not going to be relased so forget machine tool imports they bloody steal choclate biscuits gift that oversea pakistanis send over.

dumb people cant even make a simple atta dough kneading machine i bought one which had a fake motor in it. everybody is a crook and a liar. when you have a nation that has no skills except in money bribes then this is what you get. you need stalin you need a leader that so ruthless that he would have his son executed for just looking at him wrongly then progress will happen.

So, you're suggesting, we should just give up and do nothing if it is too much hard work or we don't have some angelic leader to guide us?

PS: Tax system is essential to keep the public utilities, facilities, defense and Government running because govt don't have any other reliable source of funds. So, I don't have any objection on this. However, I do have objection on corrupt system. But, unfortunately it is nationwide, it in fact defines us.

 

[Azadkashmir]

So, you're suggesting, we should just give up and do nothing if it is too much hard work or we don't have some angelic leader to guide us?

did i say that ??? maybe pakistanis need a ruthless dictator that is going kick them up thier stupid as ses to make them understand what is self suffciency and industralization. pakistanis they themselves are cheap and will sell out.
imf loan is worth more than islamic principles. maybe pakistanis should marry into rothschild.
how hard is it do you know thier are pakistanis overseas with good degrees but are doing taxis but pakistans in pak is hiring people from aboad but not thier own kind as priority. plus thier is alot of nepotism.

pakistanis from abroad constantly talking about improving pak and help the people. However when they come over they are attacked left right centre for bribes paisa paisa daay do. One could have imported small machines tools and it would have grown bigger over time but guess what uncle ji at the postal servcies wants paisa the other ucnle is opening packages and stealing. what does this require ? we need stalin we need mao, we need hitler, we need anybody but nawaz sharifs, zardaris etc.

In western world /europe they talk about taking care of thier own kind.
on paper everything is fair but in practical world its not.

pakistanis are people with big ideas great minds but no investment.

 

[countryman]

One could have imported small machines tools and it would have grown bigger over time but guess what uncle ji at the postal servcies wants paisa the other ucnle is opening packages and stealing. what does this require ?

Are you talking about customs or excise duty? If you're talking about customs or excise duty, then sorry, this is an essential component of Govt. revenue and of course it should be collected without distinction. Sometime corrupt staff let things go by taking bribes, but these parasites shouldn't be allowed to do that.

we need stalin we need mao, we need hitler

LOL! Sorry Sorry Sorry! Not me! I know how to work for my own destiny. And like I said before this is the only reason we're not progressing. Internal and external factors who're using us for their own advantage have disabled our thinking and induced us only to think like slaves. However, the people of think otherwise are the people who make nations and great nations. They opportunities, not only for themselves but for others.

how hard is it do you know thier are pakistanis overseas with good degrees but are doing taxis but pakistans in pak is hiring people from aboad but not thier own kind as priority.

Yes it happens sometimes, but, all guys I know personally having good degrees are well off abroad. It is little hard to find job when you go to find job abroad without referring person, but eventually if you've something you get settled. Regarding hiring people from abroad: Come on! When you don't have reasonable skill of your own, what would you do? We're lacking knowledge in many fields and this gap is increasing. If you've read discussion above, I mentioned "We're falling in technology and knowledge". Our whole eco-system have been disturbed and we're solely responsible for this.

pakistanis are people with big ideas great minds but no investment.

Yeah, I know a lot of my colleagues with engineering degrees. We always complain about lack resources and investment. It is true but not all great scientist, engineers and astronomers and researcher had luxury of infinite resources. They started with personal resources or worked in teams. There was nothing, not knowledge not even the idea, when they produced that amazing work. I wish if there had been a lot of people who wanted to do something, I'm sure pooled knowledge, skills and resource can even beat this vicious circle today too.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Are you talking about customs or excise duty? If you're talking about customs or excise duty, then sorry, this is an essential component of Govt. revenue and of course it should be collected without distinction. Sometime corrupt staff let things go by taking bribes, but these parasites shouldn't be allowed to do that.


LOL! Sorry Sorry Sorry! Not me! I know how to work for my own destiny. And like I said before this is the only reason we're not progressing. Internal and external factors who're using us for their own advantage have disabled our thinking and induced us only to think like slaves. However, the people of think otherwise are the people who make nations and great nations. They opportunities, not only for themselves but for others.


Yes it happens sometimes, but, all guys I know personally having good degrees are well off abroad. It is little hard to find job when you go to find job abroad without referring person, but eventually if you've something you get settled. Regarding hiring people from abroad: Come on! When you don't have reasonable skill of your own, what would you do? We're lacking knowledge in many fields and this gap is increasing. If you've read discussion above, I mentioned "We're falling in technology and knowledge". Our whole eco-system have been disturbed and we're solely responsible for this.

you know what i cant be ar-se responding in detail.
corruption top to bottom. that all i can say you need ruthless leader.

you know what find funny? lolz on a forum people come together to share ideas and do diy work, they make template and upload for everyone to download. Some time later the chinese are selling that product on ebay lolz.
an example is like electronics forum>a member designs a amplifier >uploads templates of circuit board etc.
few weeks later chinese are selling it. even copying is good.

 

[countryman]

you know what i cant be ar-se responding in detail.
corruption top to bottom. that all i can say you need ruthless leader.

Alright, thanks for the detail you already provided. But corruption is nationwide practice in civil institutes and this is Govt. job to handle it. But, again this discussion is not about whole spectrum of issues Pakistan is facing. This discussion was about the people who want to do something for Pakistan and how to utilize our personal capacities to do that. And unfortunately, I didn't find any yet.

Some time later the chinese are selling that product on ebay lolz.
an example is like electronics forum>a member designs a amplifier >uploads templates of circuit board etc.
few weeks later chinese are selling it. even copying is good.

You're underestimating them. Designing power supplies or amplifiers is not a rocket science. Their basic structure is always same. Also, each components comes with application guide from vendor, if designer have some brain and relevant knowledge, it is not a difficult task even to design complex components. They got that brain and knowledge, however, the also got facilities to produce actual product. That is why we see clones of almost every electronics from China.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Alright, thanks for the detail you already provided. But corruption is nationwide practice in civil institutes and this is Govt. job to handle it. But, again this discussion is not about whole spectrum of issues Pakistan is facing. This discussion was about the people who want to do something for Pakistan and how to utilize our personal capacities to do that. And unfortunately, I didn't find any yet.



You're underestimating them. Designing power supplies or amplifiers is not a rocket science. Their basic structure is always same. Also, each components comes with application guide from vendor, if designer have some brain and relevant knowledge, it is not a difficult task even to design complex components. They got that brain and knowledge, however, the also got facilities to produce actual product. That is why we see clones of almost every electronics from China.

yeah i know lolz but the chinese are good at copying it straight off the site. Yes structure is same with some minor changes to every design . i think it do with the fact if it design by european/usa then there is good money to be made becuase these will buy it off the site. I think we should get the facilities and we got the pakistanis over seas to sell them and promote them.

i do beleive there is a sabatage of our society from progressing and manufactering.

 

[countryman]

yeah i know lolz but the chinese are good at copying it straight off the site. Yes structure is same with some minor changes to every design . i think it do with the fact if it design by european/usa then there is good money to be made becuase these will buy it off the site. I think we should get the facilities and we got the pakistanis over seas to sell them and promote them.

i do beleive there is a sabatage of our society from progressing and manufactering.

Yes, sometimes, smaller components can copied on as is basis. However, today electronics is much more complex. Usually you find the whole module in a single SMD. People in electronics need to keep an eye on what solution is available in market and what they need to build. However, require knowledge of electronics to integrate all these components into system. Some Chinese companies are even manufacturing these semiconductor components now. That is huge leap between us and them. But, we must start effort to produce these things in Pakistan because even if it costs us the same but will save the forex, will build the capacity and knowledge and reduce the gap with respect to other countries. Maybe we don't succeed today, but this will not be as huge gap as it is now. Our products may not end up in foreign markets but can serve our domestic needs very well.

Recently, the company, where I work, bought a complete plant from China. Though we could have made almost 80%-90% of it our selves but because we had not proven this capacity yet, so, company just procured whole thing from China.

Lesson: I'm not saying we might have won the contract for plant - but if we had grouped together, we could have saved several million dollars, would have created a lot of jobs and would have generated money for ourselves and nation. This is how nations progress I think.

 

[Deidara]

All I can think of for now is individual success. They should ditch collective mentally and pursue individual success. If they want to help fellow countrymen they should do so from government channels instead of binding their lives with others.

 

[Clutch]

My advice for young grads... grad with an IT degree from Pakistan... then go to china to study Mandarin for a couple years... then come back to pakistan and start an IT company (requires very little capital)... and become an outsource centre for China...

Why do you think China included a Fiber optic cable for Internet from China to pakistan to be part of CPEC???

 

[Syed1.]

My advice for young grads... grad with an IT degree from Pakistan... then go to china to study Mandarin for a couple years... then come back to pakistan and start an IT company (requires very little capital)... and become an outsource centre for China...

Why do you think China included a Fiber optic cable for Internet from China to pakistan to be part of CPEC???

Pakistan already produces thousands of "copy-paste" engineers and programmers. The need of the hour is for the young grads to be designers and producers of new code. That is where the big bucks and highest earning is.

 

[wiseone2]

There is a disturbing trend in our trade eco-system - our trade deficit is increasing. Our imports continue to rise and exports are either not increasing or declining in various sectors. As a sub-units of Pakistan, I often think where we're going. An imbalance in eco-system, like the one we're facing, can be chronic and can impede our economy severely.

So, the question is: can we do something to improve our economy - I know everyone is doing whatever they can, but there is potential for much more. If we, the constituents of Pakistan, start working together, give up the individualism and bring back the nationhood; we can achieve this.

Can we do that? Are there still the great people among us? What do you think?

PS: I can understand in case of necessities individual interest comes first, practically not possible for them to contribute to society but I would say these are the only people with highest level of patriotism.

Educate yourselves

 

[DjSnake]

Pakistan already produces thousands of "copy-paste" engineers and programmers. The need of the hour is for the young grads to be designers and producers of new code. That is where the big bucks and highest earning is.

Agreed, innovators will always succeed.

Pakistani youth have potential but aren't given many chances. The older generation are typically ignorant and backwards when it comes to modern technology and global trends. Also, most don't conduct business in ethical manners and rely on nepotism which is a plague.

 

[countryman]

Pakistan already produces thousands of "copy-paste" engineers and programmers. The need of the hour is for the young grads to be designers and producers of new code. That is where the big bucks and highest earning is.

Abstract:
Some wise person once said, "don't reinvent the wheel" especially when the wheel is free of cost and that is what they do. Also, "Copy-paste" is way of learning to walk. The real reason of our failure is: lack of business, lack of modes to accept payment.

Details:
LOL! This is not like that. However, some wise person once said, "don't reinvent the wheel" especially when the wheel is free of cost. Also, in IT business no one pays you for what is already freely available - after all most of IT professionals or firms are hired by IT professionals or IT businesses. Though, I would agree that most of our universities are not producing any education and skills. Students, even after getting PhD don't know much about the particular discipline in which they earned degree. I recently got two interns in my office. They were BS(CS) but both were like illiterates of basic computing knowledge.

However, this doesn't mean we don't have skill. "Copy-paste" is way of learning to walk. The real reason we fail is lack of business. Many IT businesses grew sharply about a decade ago, however, due to restriction imposed on us we didn't progress at the pace we should have progressed.

One of these restrictions is accepting money: we're deliberately hindered on accepting money by several countries, we cannot create pay-pal account legally which is most widely used mode of payment online, there are some other substitute but they'll require intensive verification - even you need to provide detailed verification documents to work online when they know you're from Pakistan.

Next is our own incompetency: Our financial institutes are earning big taking in hefty deposits from public at no cost but are not up for taking some risks. Accepting payment online through credit card require compliance with certain security standard that none of our banks is able to provide.