Pakistan’s Cold War Technology shrinks the effectiveness of India’s S-400 ABM System – Akash S Muham

[Cash GK]

Those subs and missiles are for nuclear strike
Especially to attain second strike capability, cruise missile are very costly, its a nuclear strike combo not a conventional offensive or defensive offensive weapon.

And they can keep it hundreds of kilometres away from sea and they will still be effective Against our aircrafts.

my point is can cover 360. i am dame sure. we can find holes everywhere.. marny wala hath aur dekhney wala aur.. i am talking about our submarines..that way we can avid the air which comes back to pakistan and hurt... final thing i tell you something about indians thy are not brave enough as per my personal experience.they shout like crying girl even with3 inch

 

[Fawadqasim1]

my point is can cover 360. i am dame sure. we can find holes everywhere.. marny wala hath aur dekhney wala aur.. i am talking about our submarines..that way we can avid the air which comes back to pakistan and hurt... final thing i tell you something about indians thy are not brave enough as per my personal experience.they shout like crying girl even with3 inch

I am not talking about nuclear war and the so called BMDs are not even 50% effective they can be circumvented I am talking about a conventional solution to/against a conventional defensive weapon. In this case an overrated aggrandised sam system.

 

[Cash GK]

I am not talking about nuclear war and the so called BMDs are not even 50% effective they can be circumvented I am talking about a conventional solution to/against a conventional defensive weapon. In this case an overrated aggrandised sam system.

agree but bro we need effective deplomcy. we can do this even with one sub roaming around indian ocean . there will be no war. if there is one and i know what will be out come for both countries. so conventional or unconventional. these weapons are symbol of power. have you noticed what happens with indian diplomacy after we kick out their submarine near our waters i think year back.. submarines are ultimate with ababeel delivery system.. they can not defend their whole land and nor we.. loopholes are easy to find.. needed smart operators

 

[Fawadqasim1]

for example God forbid kargil 2 happens a limited war on loc say they use their fighters on hi-hi-hi mission using pgms in order to counter them we will have to use our fighters say they use s400 48N6 or 9M96E2 against our fighters what are you going to do if you hit/threaten their command vehicle and radars with the system i have proposed they will have to keep s400 batteries at least 500km away from the border hence mitigating their mischief. And it's
a relatively cheap system with multiple uses on ground.

agree but bro we need effective deplomcy. we can do this even with one sub roaming around indian ocean . there will be no war. if there is one and i know what will be out come for both countries. so conventional or unconventional. these weapons are symbol of power. have you noticed what happens with indian diplomacy after we kick out their submarine near our waters i think year back.. submarines are ultimate with ababeel delivery system.. they can not defend their whole land and nor we.. loopholes are easy to find.. needed smart operators

Please read post #19 sir

agree but bro we need effective deplomcy. we can do this even with one sub roaming around indian ocean . there will be no war. if there is one and i know what will be out come for both countries. so conventional or unconventional. these weapons are symbol of power. have you noticed what happens with indian diplomacy after we kick out their submarine near our waters i think year back.. submarines are ultimate with ababeel delivery system.. they can not defend their whole land and nor we.. loopholes are easy to find.. needed smart operators

Still limited skirmish/war on loc cannot be ruled out entirely.

 

[ziaulislam]

we need 5to 7 subs with nuks around indians across sea from bagal to karachi.. and our intelegence should know where abouts s400..we can strike them on major cities across india.. s400 can’t give them 360 protection whole of india..we need to get those sub from china as soon possible.. better and good aggressive defense is part of good diplomacy. it total depends on our assists in india.. last thing i alway say.. war can not fix problems.. war kills and it don’t differentiate nationalities.. one thing is sure after war both countries will not be on the world map .. so we should do things wisely

is not reliable protection against blastic missiles..period..even united states system that relies on real time accurate data from gazillions of sensors is not reliable against single war head let alone MRIV

 

[Cash GK]

for example God forbid kargil 2 happens a limited war on loc say they use their fighters on hi-hi-hi mission using pgms in order to counter them we will have to use our fighters say they use s400 48N6 or 9M96E2 against our fighters what are you going to do if you hit their command vehicle and radars with the system i have proposed they will have to keep s400 batteries at least 500km away from the border hence mitigating their mischief.


Please read post #19 sir


Still limited skirmish/war on loc cannot be ruled out entirely.

you can use your tactical with out nuks i mean naser system . at the moment you have this best options. we have to buy some serious defense system. we are not going to fight in indian inside. for close wars indian not going make these stupid things. if we have here some problem with pakistani borders. we can place something near indian sea which has large assists to destroy. they will play where they feel easy we will play we feel easy

 

[Fawadqasim1]

you can use your tactical with out nuks i mean naser system . at the moment you have this best options. we have to buy some serious defense system. we are not going to fight in indian inside. for close wars indian not going make these stupid things. if we have here some problem with pakistani borders. we can place something near indian sea which has large assists to destroy. they will play where they feel easy we will play we feel easy

Nasrs maximum range is 70kms

 

[Cash GK]

Nasrs maximum range is 70kms

we do not say that we hit india. it is indian say they will hit us. we have defencey doctrine. at the money we have best options to defend ourself.. i hope khan will think about this.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

we do not say that we hit india. it is indian say they will hit us. we have defencey doctrine. at the money we have best options to defend ourself.. i hope khan will think about this.

The system I have proposed has multiple applications. Read my post and think about it.sir

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

These Indians have developed a habit of believing in fairy tales.

Rafale scam... coffin scam.... garbage body bag scam... bofors scam... TATRA scam and the list goes on.... along with failures like arjun and lca... to name a few.

 

[danger007]

These Indians have developed a habit of believing in fairy tales.

And you live in fantasy world.. countering in pdf, everything we get

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

These Indians have developed a habit of believing in fairy tales.

After the "Cow fiasco" (as per some of my Brahmin colleagues) anything is possible...

 

[ZAC1]

when ever India n pakistan is going for full scale war...first week conventional weapons will be used n much of each sides radars airports fightrjets will be destroyed...after that their will be huge areas without proper air defences.so ABM secenerio is failed will be failed in indo-pak wars.
well their will be no full scale war world powers will not allow.only limited engagements but in that limited wars. missiles will never be used.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

when ever India n pakistan is going for full scale war...first week conventional weapons will be used n much of each sides radars airports fightrjets will be destroyed...after that their will be huge areas without proper air defences.so ABM secenerio is failed will be failed in indo-pak wars.
well their will be no full scale war world powers will not allow.only limited engagements but in that limited wars. missiles will never be used.

How can one say that Sams will never be used we used sams in kargil albeit short range sams

 

[LeGenD]

is not reliable protection against blastic missiles..period..even united states system that relies on real time accurate data from gazillions of sensors is not reliable against single war head let alone MRIV

Should not generalize like that. There is ample proof of live intercepts of advanced ballistic missiles out there, if you look carefully.

BMDS programs have advanced to a degree that even S-400 fall in the LOW END category now. Still, a formidable system and a destabilizing element in PAK - INDIA scenario.