Hi,
Some say ' hindsight 20/20 '---other say---' you should have thought about the consequences before hand'---' you should have thought about who you are---what your assets are---what your friends and allies need---what concerns your enemy---what assets that you have that your enemy does not want you to have---& what could the enemy do to remove those assets '---.
I seriously think that is a statement that shows like something too much to ask---even to a pakistani military General officer in command---because most of their interest lies in housing schemes---property---commissions---war on terror & things on similar line & length---India---.
The there is the mantra of tactical nucs---. Well the problem with that mantra is that the super power does not like that mantra---. The religionist evangelicals in the regime want to de-fang pakistan---and the only people who did not know abut that was the pakistani military generals---who sitting secure in their offices believed their assets are secure---I mean to say the nucs---.
What america does in front of everyone's face is that it keeps its enemies farthest away from the mainland---and keeps troops at out posts distant from the mainland and tells everyone what the reason is---yet the pakistani generals never understood it---the current pakistani prime minister does not understand it either---.
Pakistanis in general have a belief---don't bother us---we will not bother you---what they tend to forget is that they have around 200 nucs that can destroy the world---so the baby that wants to make itself look innocent singing gaga maybe innocent in its own mind---but to the outside world---it looks like a death wish come true---.
So---the nation that does not know its own strength---does not understand what steps it needed to take to expand to protect its assets---has no understanding and concept of having military bases outside of pakistan at critical locations---having no concept of having those assets---is basically clueless of its environment---.
And that was very obvious when the Yemen crisis started---. That was the time for pakistan to have understood what was at stake---what was going to happen---what was coming in the short term near future and what the long term future game plan of the opponent was---and then it should have gone ahead and firmed firmed up its grip on the region as was being permitted by the super power---.
The super power USA gave the region of the gulf states on a platter to pakistan---and the fools rejected it---. The terms used were---we don't want a war---we will not participate in a war---we are not mercenaries---even though all the conquests of the muslim empire were mercenary armies---all the great muslim warriors were mercenaries---payment was in loot and plunder---'maal a ghanimat '---.
Why did pakistan not do what it should have done---was just to please iran---and what was iran to pakistan---a muslim brother---and what was pakistan to iran---a fcking inferior dark skin nuc capable country---.
Pakistani generals have sold the integrity of the pakistani nation and the future welfare of the country trying to side with a pariah nation---a nation whose sole and only purpose is to create havoc in the region---.
If pakistan had a 150 K battle group in the gulf states---backed by a seperate air force---armor--- navy & transporation---the US would not be sending in its naval battle group and there would not have been any talk of 100K american troops in the region or the B52's striking iran---.
There would not have been any pulwama type attacks---because the indian power would have been neutered or lessened by the presnce of pakistani troops in the region---thus no attacks by indian air force on the night of the 26th---.
General Raheel---sir---you truly failed pakistan---when it was time to make some hard & timely decisions to move the pakistani military influence from outside of its borders and into the gulf region---.
I write this post seeing what is happening in the gulf---what the US military is doing in the gulf in the last few weeks and what their plans are---. Mastankhan
Been over this discussion many times before and yet back to square one again !
Repetition becomes boring and loses its charm...i will try to bring in new points now.
You speak so much against PAF, you loathe PAF CAS's, you despise their decisions, yet you keep such high hopes from PAF. You know in your heart that PAF is hope for Pakistan, PAF will bring in money to Pakistan, PAF will save Pakistan eventually, of course along with Army and Navy and other defense outfits of Pakistan. If Imran Khan fails in his tenure, will you also start posting topics on Military taking over the country for Pakistan's salvation ?
You want PA,PAF, PN to take on Iranian backed houthis in Yemen, heck the whole world wants the same-> Yemen conflict done with and solved. Iran and its Proxies pop up everywhere now and then: Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Yemen and even Pakistan is not safe. But wait a second, why go to Yemen, if PAF today attacks IRIAF and takes down few Tomcats, what will happen? you guessed it...doors of latest F-16 delivery will open for Pakistan, those Oliver Perry Frigates, 7 of them held back by USA? will join PN. MRAPs of all sorts will pouring in for free. Actually CSF will the light of the day. Isn't this the usual way for Pakistan to progress, go and fight somebody else's war and get paid in return, 1980's was the same, 2001 till 2010/11 was the same and if enough damage has not been done in 80's through AK-47 culture, refugees, heroine, extremism and since 2001 billions of loss in Pakistan infrastructure, thousands of human lives lost, hundred thousands wounded, economy crumbling, Ruppee getting de-valued. Still Pakistan should have stepped into war, the Yemen war ? Savy !
So lets see the amount of fronts open against Pakistan, where PA is actively deployed; LOC which is a 700 Km front and Durand line which is a 2500 km front. Totaling some 3000 km front roughly ? Not enough to stretch a ground force of some 700,000 troops. Check the timing, 2014 leading int 2015. Some major Ops in NW and West of Pakistan were being conducted. 2-3 Corps HQ (XI,XII and elements from 17th ID, 14th ID, 19th ID apart from SSG, LCB, Aviation gunships, 4-6 PAF fighter squadrons and other supporting units) poised in those Ops. Lets say a Corps roughly has 40,000 to 50,000 Troops. So 100-150,000 regular troops taking part in this Ops. On top of that FC KPK and FC Baluchistan fully engaged, which at that time numbered around 60,000 troops i think. Army Reserves like 111 IB and 37th ID poised towards reinforcing West whereas 40th ID poised to reinforce west. 5-Corps, 30 Corps, 31 Corps, 4 Corps unable to leave there area of responsibility, 10 Corps including FCNA unable to withdraw from LOC, I and II strike Corps squeezing out infantry formations to western theater, Pray tell me from where 50K or 150K trained troops will be provided ?
There is a major shortage of officers in army, not only due to martyrdom, but also due to expansion of new formations. There was thread on this forum that Paying Cadets of technical arms will now have to serve 3 years term as Captains in army and then can leave without medical benefits or pension. Thats true because the shortage is real. The day Pakistani troops would have left for Yemen, not one Uri or Pulwama, but hundreds more would have taken place. you know why ? because India would look for an excuse to invade Pakistan on LOC due to thinning out of troops. This would have been an excellent opportunity for enemy to strike Pakistan internally also due to shortage of troops inside Pakistan. India has tried in 2001/2, 2008, 2015, 2018, now 2019. You are naive if you think that USA will tell India to back off. USA needs India against China. USA is concerned about China way much more than Pakistan.
Now looping back to Military and money situation in Pakistan. How has that solved Pakistan's problems in the past that it would have solved the financial situation now. It will never solve the economy problem of Pakistan neither will the new weapons bought from the $$$ bring out a fruitful outcome of next war. You think Pakistan needs Tanks, Artillery, Twin engined heavy strike fighters, Frigates and submarines in abundance with modern gadgetry ? To solve what ? to win a war against India ? to liberate Kashmir ?
Mate, Pakistan's meager weapons have kept India at bay and will continue to do so, and don't tell me the newer modern weapons will intimidate India and it will cower in a corner seeing 2000 Leopard 2A7, 500 SU-35, 50 New Frigates and 30 new Submarines. India will buy double or triple of all these. Then should Pakistan wait for another conflict in the mid-east to boost its Military ?
Pakistan and its people need to change. The system and nation's psychology has to change. Government has to take interest in Pakistan's internal affairs. Poverty has to be eradicated. Education has to be systemised, an educational system that produced R&D caliber minds. Opportunities have to be given to growing minds to flourish in all fields of education, so this generation and coming generations can devise systems and methods to alleviate Pakistan from a developing nation into a developed nation. The Saga of Crown jewel parties which take turns to come in Governance and eat up Pakistan like they own Pakistanis as their servants has to end. Above all, religious extremism has to finish for good and once in for all. Its a fuel which has burnt Pakistan to its core. If worthwhile changes in these sectors are made, then no expeditionary forces are required to be sent abroad. I am giving you an alternative for your idea, to build a concrete base for Pakistan's economy, a permanent solution. Not a makeshift opportunistic approach to grab a few billion dollars and then face the wrath of torment due to taking part in another war. Build Pakistan first, not through money, but through education, reforms, policies and a stable political system that favours Pakistan's economic growth.
Pakistan has likes of Korea, China, Taiwan etc in front of it. These nations have not just excelled in maintaining quality armies but also have developed good economic policies which have in turn made them hubs of strong industrial and commercial base.
You have example of JF-17 and AK in front of you. Had USA not thrown Pakistan under sanctions, these projects wouldn't have seen the light of the day. USA would be feeding Pakistani Government and its Military, just like it has been from time to time, similar to your idea of feeding on $$$ by being fed from Rich Gulf states, but never standing on own feet. It will take time and lots of effort, a vision along with a path is required.
My post won't fill your appetite. USA has surrounded Iran from the sea, you should invite Pakistani Military to invade Iran from east and the GCC to invade Iran from the west and north. Pakistan will definitely then get all the Billions of $$$ you are seeking for Pakistani Military. Ignore the threat of insurgency inside Pakistan which will escalate after participation in Yemen war. Ignore that the internal threat still exists and that has to be eradicated by utilizing all available resources which are available to Pakistan, not by sending troops abroad.
Mark my word, Pakistan would have got 100 Billion USD for yemen war but then lost 1 Trillion USD in damages to Pakistan through Iran-India-Afghanistan joint nexus openly attacking Pakistan. Then it wouldn't be 26th Feb only, it would be 6th March, 16th March, 26th March, then every week in April and finally a circus show of air intrusion on daily basis through one excuse or another. Don't worry, PAF would have got those 500 SU-35 to pound own cities first to curb insurgency, in fact Baluchistan would have been separated already by then through full Iran cooperation with India for all the times to come.
Give time for the wall to be built on Iran border also, the result on Durand line has shown lesser incidents in Pakistan. Its best to take on enemy, one by one and secure own cities and towns first.
Maybe you live in USA because you have given up on Pakistan and Pakistanis. I think its time to start throwing positive ideas to make Pakistan an economically stable country, instead of using Military's shoulder to fire your pellets into minds of youth here on PDF.
