Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[Zarvan]

That is robbery!

Well it's expensive but if manage to get it with TOT well price would get reduced I seriously think we may go for two types we may opt for total 800 Truck Mounted Artillery systems and induction of new weapons all suggest Army finally has come to sense and is developing a conventional answer to Indian cold start that NASR was never a good idea. We also need to go for few more MRLS.

 

[Path-Finder]

Here is a spanner in the mix. We need the complete body of the NORA B52 as it is protected from the elements with its armored cabin for the gunners. Another factor is that it's completely automated loading But we need the Denel Gun and Denel Ammo because it combined is the best gun on the market. Chassis hopefully Tatra. In an ideal world this would be the best solution. NORA with Denel Gun

Well it's expensive but if manage to get it with TOT well price would get reduced I seriously think we may go for two types we may opt for total 800 Truck Mounted Artillery systems and induction of new weapons all suggest Army finally has come to sense and is developing a conventional answer to Indian cold start that NASR was never a good idea. We also need to go for few more MRLS.

Hazrat Only NORA B52 can come with complete ToT, Denel wont give ToT for their best product either. Tatra can give ToT to make trucks in Pakistan infact I hope We go full Tatra both civil and military for trucks. There is NO way Nextar will give complete ToT either.

 

[Zarvan]

Here is a spanner in the mix. We need the complete body of the NORA B52 as it is protected from the elements with its armored cabin for the gunners. Another factor is that it's completely automated loading But we need the Denel Gun and Denel Ammo because it combined is the best gun on the market. Chassis hopefully Tatra. In an ideal world this would be the best solution. NORA with Denel Gun


Hazrat Only NORA B52 can come with complete ToT, Denel wont give ToT for their best product either. Tatra can give ToT to make trucks in Pakistan infact I hope We go full Tatra both civil and military for trucks. There is NO way Nextar will give complete ToT either.

Artillery are being tested with condition of TOT. This was the condition which was told to companies before we started trials

 

[Path-Finder]

Artillery are being tested with condition of TOT. This was the condition which was told to companies before we started trials

Hazrat Trials and ToT are two different things. What if for example Nexter beats Denel and NORA? Then they negotiate and Nexter declines ToT. We should keep Trials and Negotiations for manufacturing separate.

 

[Zarvan]

Hazrat Trials and ToT are two different things. What if for example Nexter beats Denel and NORA? Then they negotiate and Nexter declines ToT. We should keep Trials and Negotiations for manufacturing separate.

The companies were told that if there Artillery Guns with Pakistan gets them with TOT only when they agreed they were invited for trials

 

[Path-Finder]

The companies were told that if there Artillery Guns with Pakistan gets them with TOT only when they agreed they were invited for trials

What if they refuse ToT after the trials?

 

[Zarvan]

What if they refuse ToT after the trials?

They will be thrown out but South Africa and Nora both agreed. Getting TOT from South Africa is the most easy thing to do. They themselves offer TOT even if you don't ask

 

[Arsalan]

Caesar 155mm

Is it expected to arrive for Trials?
If so then perhaps the modified/improved Nora B52 didn't fared well either. Caesar is an excellent platform no doubt but it will surely be quite expensive as other deals suggest. T5-52 or Nora B52 IF THEY give satisfactory results in our high temperatures may prove to be better choice financially as well as because they will offer us the technology as well. Not sure NEXTER will do the same. (Although they offered atleast assembly to Saudia)

Anyway, it is a good platform as well and it is great news if we are going to evaluate this one too. I hope the best option is selected, our high summer temperatures and performance in these conditions is going to play the key role in selection here.

It will be interesting to note whether they come with this 6x6 chassis or the new TATRA 8x8!

TATRA 8x8 is becoming more and more relevant these days. I do hope that we sign some kind of deal with TATRA for some of there trucks (both for SPH as well as general logistics)
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)

 

[Path-Finder]

India trialed both Denel & Nexter but chose K9. Now we are possibly going to test Nexter as well. Why didn't they choose these guns? Turkish Fritna is K9 as well maybe we can trial that however it is clear that PA wants truck chassis since testing Chinese SH1 almost a decade ago and not tracked as M109 is in adequett numbers.

 

[Arsalan]

India trialed both Denel & Nexter but chose K9. Now we are possibly going to test Nexter as well. Why didn't they choose these guns? Turkish Fritna is K9 as well maybe we can trial that however it is clear that PA wants truck chassis since testing Chinese SH1 almost a decade ago and not tracked as M109 is in adequett numbers.

T5-52 and G6 by Denel, Caesar by NEXTER, B52 Nora are all WHEELED SPH.
K9 is a tracked system.

Different uses and applications.

Our current interest is in WHEELED SPH, the tracked ones might follow on at a later stage, the current immediate requirement/interest is only in wheeled SPHs.

 

[Path-Finder]

T5-52 and G6 by Denel, Caesar by NEXTER, B52 Nora are all WHEELED SPH.
K9 is a tracked system.

Different uses and applications.

Our current interest is in WHEELED SPH, the tracked ones might follow on at a later stage, the current immediate requirement/interest is only in wheeled SPHs.

No. What I am trying to say is that india didn't go for Denel or Nexter. that is what i am trying to find out.

 

[Arsalan]

No. What I am trying to say is that india didn't go for Denel or Nexter. that is what i am trying to find out.

They didn't selected a wheeled SPH rather opted for the tracked one in shape of K-9. The wheeled ones may come later plus with a good base for making these heavy chassis vehicles and lessons learned from K-9, they may roll out a wheeled version themselves.

 

[Imran Khan]

we have so much of tracked SPH we need wheeled now

 

[Zarvan]

No. What I am trying to say is that india didn't go for Denel or Nexter. that is what i am trying to find out.

If they tested Truck Mounted Artillery Guns and ended up selecting a tracked one than they need first do research and than decide what actually they want.

 

[Path-Finder]

If they tested Truck Mounted Artillery Guns and ended up selecting a tracked one than they need first do research and than decide what actually they want.

No they testd SP guns both wheeled and tracked. There was only one SP that was tracked K9 and two wheeled Denel & Nexter. Along with bofors as well and some dordo gun. They selected K9 and M777 will be domestically made.

We need to look at M777 equivelant as some stage.