Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[Super Falcon]

Pak should consider G 6 from denel far better faster and offer better protection and in tracked I think Chinese type 45 is far better another option join Turkish programe

Russia also can offer its latest artillery

 

[fatman17]

PA desired full SP Artillery capabilty due to its advantage since long as towed are bit difficult to rapidly deploy, so might be they are trying to achieve that.



Trackef has its advantages they are good in sindh and areas of punjab wheeled ones are good on roads but in dessert tracked ones are prefered.

wheeled SP guns can also be used along the LOC. Pakistan has good GLOCs along the LOC. this could be one reason for interest shown in NORA.

 

[Arsalan]

Pak should consider G 6 from denel far better faster and offer better protection and in tracked I think Chinese type 45 is far better another option join Turkish programe

Russia also can offer its latest artillery

T5-52 from SA and Nora B52 are being looked upon for future wheeled SPH procurement.

Chinese type 45

You mean PLZ45?
PLZ05 or its development PLZ52 are MUCH BETTER options. However i am not aware if we are currently looking at new tracked options. The current need and interest is in wheeled howitzers.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

That Czech Tatra truck used with the Denel T5-52 - i.e. Tatra T-815-7 - might also be worth manufacturing under license. The Pakistan Army could use it as a common platform for wheeled SPH, MLRS, transport, SAMs, SRBMs, etc. The thing has a payload of 24 tons.

 

[Path-Finder]

PA desired full SP Artillery capabilty due to its advantage since long as towed are bit difficult to rapidly deploy, so might be they are trying to achieve that.



Trackef has its advantages they are good in sindh and areas of punjab wheeled ones are good on roads but in dessert tracked ones are prefered.

The French who moved completely from tracked based howitzer to truck mounted Caesar is a great example which works better than tracked in the tropics and deserts of Africa and even in Iraqi desert right now they are shelling ISIS. Truck chassis is always lighter and faster than a tracked vehicle and with a big engine and electronics it can handle sand and mud better!

 

[ali_raza]

That Czech Tatra truck used with the Denel T5-52 - i.e. Tatra T-815-7 - might also be worth manufacturing under license. The Pakistan Army could use it as a common platform for wheeled SPH, MLRS, transport, SAMs, SRBMs, etc. The thing has a payload of 24 tons.

we can negotiate it with gun deal.might get a better deal

 

[Arsalan]

That Czech Tatra truck used with the Denel T5-52 - i.e. Tatra T-815-7 - might also be worth manufacturing under license. The Pakistan Army could use it as a common platform for wheeled SPH, MLRS, transport, SAMs, SRBMs, etc. The thing has a payload of 24 tons.

The problem is which institute will manufacture them? AND this is just one problem!
The best solutiin CAN be to get some private firm involved!

 

[Basel]

wheeled SP guns can also be used along the LOC. Pakistan has good GLOCs along the LOC. this could be one reason for interest shown in NORA.

They can be deployed in punjab and sindh too but strike units may not be prefered with wheeled ones., specially in dessert.

 

[Army research]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Arsalan
Basically PA is mega investing towards shoot and scoot wheeled sph, could it be that they would follow general trend of strategic depth defence as towed would be knocked out quick in modern wars, also this would leave tracked option for our strike corps in south ?

 

[Arsalan]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Arsalan
Basically PA is mega investing towards shoot and scoot wheeled sph, could it be that they would follow general trend of strategic depth defence as towed would be knocked out quick in modern wars, also this would leave tracked option for our strike corps in south ?

Plus it gives insight to the modern fire control, computerized targetting and MOST importantky MRSI. This is what we are after otherwise we do operate SH1 already.

For those who have been following the thread, they will know i am a big fan of MRSI on a personal level and explained tge reasons as well. To me it is big and it is what will keep artillery relevant in comming years as well.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The problem is which institute will manufacture them? AND this is just one problem!
The best solutiin CAN be to get some private firm involved!

Best to order the trucks in large numbers, and then ask Tatra to set up or invest in a subsidiary to manufacture in Pakistan. The Pakistani co-investor could be a split between the MoDP and a private company.

 

[Gryphon]

Plus it gives insight to the modern fire control, computerized targetting and MOST importantky MRSI. This is what we are after otherwise we do operate SH1 already.

Norinco SH-1 badly failed Pakistan Army trials. Reports mentioning sale of 90 howitzers to Pakistan are wrong.



There are rumours that PA is raising two new mechanized divisions. If true, most of the 500 SP howitzers to be acquired will go to these divisions.

Korkut SPAAG will be in Pakistan for trials according to Turkish officials.
There are also unconfirmed reports that Aerospace Long-March International (China) has offered an AD system to Pak.

 

[Path-Finder]

Norinco SH-1 badly failed Pakistan Army trials. Reports mentioning sale of 90 howitzers to Pakistan are wrong.



There are rumours that PA is raising two new mechanized divisions. If true, most of the 500 SP howitzers to be acquired will go to these divisions.

Korkut SPAAG will be in Pakistan for trials according to Turkish officials.
There are also unconfirmed reports that Aerospace Long-March International (China) has offered an AD system to Pak.

We now know that SH-1 failed the trials because we are testing Denel & Nora, But can now say that Panter failed the trials as well because there is nothing indicating that it is serving in any regiment?

 

[Super Falcon]

Hope we get soom

 

[fatman17]

We now know that SH-1 failed the trials because we are testing Denel & Nora, But can now say that Panter failed the trials as well because there is nothing indicating that it is serving in any regiment?

true on each count.