Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I like the sound of SLWH Pegasus we do need a light 155mm Howitzer for mountain troops on both eastern and western border.

Useless in siachin.. For western border even the Chinese built D30 series are enough..

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

now thats a weapon hope it is as reliable,durable and accurate as its counterparts.

Arty guns don't need any war to prove themselves ... All you gotta do is test them .. And decide on the basis of the result..

Chinese are making some excellent arty guns .. From PLZ-45 SPGs,SH-1 SPGs down to 105mm lightly arty guns .. Not to forget long range MLRS.

 

[Desertfalcon]

For a lightweight 155mm piece, it's hard to beat the M777 howitzer.

M777 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hell hound]

Arty guns don't need any war to prove themselves ... All you gotta do is test them .. And decide on the basis of the result..

Chinese are making some excellent arty guns .. From PLZ-45 SPGs,SH-1 SPGs down to 105mm lightly arty guns .. Not to forget long range MLRS.

do we any use of 155mm ultra light howitzer of any origin in any terrain.most our boarder is plane area so sp arty is much better then towed one in those areas.but what about mountainous region do we really need 155mm light system there.

I have .. They raised new units with those... Infact k was there when the first guns came to Arty School Nowshehra.

how many do we have and how was there performance.

 

[Path-Finder]

Useless in siachin.. For western border even the Chinese built D30 series are enough..

D30 as in 130mm? Man they are outdated and obsolete. PA announced in Kyani's tenure that all guns will be 155mm standardized. But yes D30 for western border is good choice

 

[Penguin]

D30 as in 130mm? Man they are outdated and obsolete. PA announced in Kyani's tenure that all guns will be 155mm standardized. But yes D30 for western border is good choice

D-30 is 122mm, IIRC.

Type 59-I, the Chinese version of the Russian M1954 (M-46) ordnance mated to the carriage of the Type 60 (copy of Russian D-74 122mm), is a 130mm gun in Pakiastan Army service. For 130mm ordnance, some options for upgrading to 155mm are available:

• Norinco (China North Industries Corporation) developed this upgrade package where the original barrel of the Type 59 is replaced by the 155/45 mm ordnance of the PLL01/WA021m a Chinese copy of the Denel GC-45. (Army Guide
  
• Soltam Systems Ltd, of Israel, now part of Elbit, also has an upgrade kit where the original barrel is replaced by a new model of 155/45mm (https://www.elbitsystems.com/elbitpr/files/Artillery.doc)
  
• Similar upgrade was available from the Netherlands (from now defunct RDM Technology Army Guide and
  
• Yugoslavia (today Serb republic UPGUNNING OF 130mm M46 GUN TO 155mm/45 CALIBRE GUN | SDPR - Yugoimport

 

[Zarvan]

@fatman17 Will SH-1 SP Artillery be shown during this year parade ?

 

[fatman17]

@fatman17 Will SH-1 SP Artillery be shown during this year parade ?

Have we inducted it? To me it's a big Q?

 

[Zarvan]

Have we inducted it? To me it's a big Q?

Wait a minute !!! it was you who first gave this news and even said that most of them have arrived in Pakistan. So what changed your views now ?

 

[Stimpy75]

Sry typo

 

[Inception-06]

Arty guns don't need any war to prove themselves ... All you gotta do is test them .. And decide on the basis of the result..

Chinese are making some excellent arty guns .. From PLZ-45 SPGs,SH-1 SPGs down to 105mm lightly arty guns .. Not to forget long range MLRS.

I thought our 130mm inventory was upgraded to 155mm by China ?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I just feel these artillery weapon is obsolete considering the availability of Helicopter gun ships and stealth cruise missiles

Mobility and rate of fire factor improvements is worth it but I just don't feel tanks and these artillery weapons impact much if you are facing an enemy that has ample Gunships

It would have been ideal had these artillery units were protected with locally produced SAM systems and then ample Anti Aircraft weapons

 

[Inception-06]

@DESERT FIGHTER @fatman17

122 mm How D-30 A-Gun- incl Braking Sys- 36 -US$ 5.476 M

Sipri also reports that we have bought additional 122mm artillery guns may be because of their excellent mobility in the ongoing operations in the mountains. I think from the point of mobility the 122mm D-30 howitzer is the best gun in our inventory.

With its striking three-leg mounting, the D-30 can be rapidly traversed through 360 degrees and the low silhouette of the piece, its wide and rapid top-traverse and its shield, simple to handle and maintain,suitable for all conditions that howitzer is a excellent low price gun for the Pakistani mountain Troops.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The only way such Artillery units make an impact is if these area are protected by a SAM , made in Pakistan and network of radars that protect from Ariel threats so these ground units can maintain point attack and prevent progress of enemy units on grounds.

With out a proper SAM system to protect these Military units a column of 2-16 Helicopter gunships can disrupt the function of these units on ground

The raw guns / artillery are just too crude of weapon out of place and reminder of WW2 level weaponry

With out radars & Missile systems , the Artillery units are vulnerable

Artillery bombardment is only impactful , if it itself has ample protection from Air

• Since Pakistan does not have Gunship helicopters
  
• Since Pakistan does not have proper locally build Radar & SAM system

In a real conflict the modern smart bombs would make short work of artillery units does not matter if its 100 units or 1000 Units as these would be sitting ducks on ground


Also mobility units also need improvement
While it may be questionable if we have ability to transport these over mountains or tight road areas but still we need some of these babies

 

[Inception-06]

Kargil war 1999: The best Idea was to build Artillery positions very near the rivers and on the little islands in the river (only a enough place for a artillery gun), so it was more difficult to locate the gun for the indians, would you expect 130mm artillery guns in the river ?

notice the water is surrounding the little island and the empty ammo boxes were used to build the shelters for the Guns, just brilliant !

@Quwa Sir wold you like to comment that Artillery position in this picture (its from the Kargil war)