Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[Quwa]

like i have said, saab-2000 mpa is just a concept at the moment and could envolve into a multi-role armed version with RBS-15 and torpedoes as Swed would like to have a dedicated AShW and ASW MPA system of their own.
lets not for sake of winning the argument downplay other systems.

one other worthy of notice. P-3C upgrade III should have 20+ years of service in PN but atlantique is what we should be expecting to be replaced by either ATR-72 or saab-2000 MPA in near future. and i think Saab-MPA could have a better chance if they come up with AShW ASW multi-role system and that PN choices Erieye.

There may be possibilities, however the Saab MPA cannot be counted as an alternative to ATR-72, P-8, P-3, etc, until we know for certain it will have AShW and ASW capabilities. However the Saab 2000 MPA might be a potential replacement system for the Fokker aircraft, as their roles match up pretty closely.

Normally the need to know issues are settled even at the conceptual stages. You might speculate what radar the aircraft could use, but its missions roles are always settled during development. For example with the Kawasaki P-1, its mission parameters - such as AShW and ASW - were disclosed when they revealed the concept.

Regarding P-3C's life, I'm a bit unaware of how many years it can last, if you can shed light on it, that'd be great. The PN will operate them for at least another decade, but will begin looking for a replacement soon after 2019. The aircraft themselves may not be replaced until 2029.

 

[JK!]

What about using the Indonesian CN 235 as the basis for these specialist aircraft?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

There may be possibilities, however the Saab MPA cannot be counted as an alternative to ATR-72, P-8, P-3, etc, until we know for certain it will have AShW and ASW capabilities..

wait, you do know.
ATR-72MP/ ATR-42MP, EADS C-295MPA/C-235MPA, Dassault's Falcon 900MPA Embraer P-99A are medium range MPA
P-3C P-8 P-X A-319 MPA etc are heavy range MPA

When Sweden revealed "Erieye" system, it was only "AEW" but later it was evolved into "CS" for costomers. Even Pakistan requested diffrent systems for its platform which was not even revealed in original "Saab-340 AEW" and even the platform was diffrent for PAF.
Just alone the Saab-2000 platform has more potential for MPA role then ATR-72. the wheel carage is not underbelly thus it can adopt "armament bay" for missiles and torpedos like P-3 or P-8 while ATR-72 has only 4 hardpoints.

Regarding P-3C's life, I'm a bit unaware of how many years it can last, if you can shed light on it, that'd be great. The PN will operate them for at least another decade, but will begin looking for a replacement soon after 2019. The aircraft themselves may not be replaced until 2029

lindsyebanks is probibly the most reliable sourse outside PN officials that we know of. Our P-3 fleet are fairly young they were the last batch to come out of the assambly line. lets see if we can get hold of her again as she will answer this question more factually.
ok lets just assume that these 10 P-3 are to be replaced by 2025-30, you think a medium role MPA ATR-72 will be suitable to replace heavy MPA P-3? by 20 years the MPA world would be very diffrent we could have other systems in the market. probibly Airbush-319 MPA should be of PN's interusts to replace P-3.
ATR-72MPA is currently running a competition for Indian navy "medium range MPA" and if its chosen then the chances are none for PN!

 

[Myth_buster_1]

What about using the Indonesian CN 235 as the basis for these specialist aircraft?

CN-235 have limited MPA capability however the larger version "CN-395"
MPA version comes with an advanced surveillance system, and can carry torpedoes and AShM, though it does not carry any sonobuoy launchers. so it has limited anti-sub capability.

 

[Quwa]

wait, you do know.
ATR-72MP/ ATR-42MP, EADS C-295MPA/C-235MPA, Dassault's Falcon 900MPA Embraer P-99A are medium range MPA
P-3C P-8 P-X A-319 MPA etc are heavy range MPA

Yeah I know, but the issue at that point was the capability to deploy weapon-systems and mission profile. The ATR-72 MPA and Saab 2000 MPA are being pitched for different needs.

When Sweden revealed "Erieye" system, it was only "AEW" but later it was evolved into "CS" for costomers. Even Pakistan requested diffrent systems for its platform which was not even revealed in original "Saab-340 AEW" and even the platform was diffrent for PAF.

They changed the platform and upgraded the radar & suite...what does this have to do with an aircraft's physical payload?

Just alone the Saab-2000 platform has more potential for MPA role then ATR-72. the wheel carage is not underbelly thus it can adopt "armament bay" for missiles and torpedos like P-3 or P-8 while ATR-72 has only 4 hardpoints.

We'll see, right now Saab 2000 is being offered for a different set of requirements - seemingly closer to PN's Fokkers. It's strange that after going all out on Gripen NG, Saab doesn't like to tell customers the -2000 MPA's full-range of potential as you're implying.

lindsyebanks is probibly the most reliable sourse outside PN officials that we know of. Our P-3 fleet are fairly young they were the last batch to come out of the assambly line. lets see if we can get hold of her again as she will answer this question more factually.

I'll take your word for it, thanks for the author (I'll find something from her)

ok lets just assume that these 10 P-3 are to be replaced by 2025-30, you think a medium role MPA ATR-72 will be suitable to replace heavy MPA P-3? by 20 years the MPA world would be very diffrent we could have other systems in the market. probibly Airbush-319 MPA should be of PN's interusts to replace P-3.

We'll see, right now the ATR-72 actually secured orders and the A319/320 MPAs are yet to do so. However to be fair to Airbus, they're not planning on any heavy marketing until the 2010-2020 decade starts.

 

[Arsalan]

sorry for being off the topic

kindly do visit:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/wmd-missiles/20716-surface-air-missile.html

and share you knowledge

thankyou for your co-operation

 

[Myth_buster_1]

We'll see, right now the ATR-72 actually secured orders and the A319/320 MPAs are yet to do so. However to be fair to Airbus, they're not planning on any heavy marketing until the 2010-2020 decade starts.

when PN decides to phase out P-3, the A-319 should be ready by then.
ATR-72 or even a "armed" version Saab-2000 MPA wont be a suitable choice to replace more capable multi-role P-3 in PN, infact it would be great if either platform are inducted much quicker to replace aging atlantiques.
but what chance would ATR have if for say india selects them.

 

[chirag.s]

hi guys just found these not sure if its posted earlier

continued

 

[chirag.s]

hi guys got 2 more ,here it is

not dure if its posted earlier anyways enjoy

thank you

 

[Arsalan]

Thankyou chirag.s for your informative post.

it was quite difficult to read some parts of it due to its size.

can you please provide its link.

 

[chirag.s]

sorry but i don't have the link got it from my friend maybe you can try the saab website but you can download it from the link below anyway

guys earlier i tried to post the original ones but they are REALLY BIG so i resized them if you have problems in reading im uploading on ZSHARE u can download the originals in 1186x1600 resolution here is the link

zSHARE - saab erieye by chirag.rar

thank you

 

[PAFAce]

I am seeing different figures in different places. Can anyone tell me how many SAAB 2000s and ZDK-03s we have ordered? On Wikipedia it says five of each, which is what I had previously believed to be true. Is this the case?

Also, what exactly is the difference between the KJ-2000 and the ZDK-03, as the latter is based on the former. (this may have been posted before but I couldn't find it)

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I am seeing different figures in different places. Can anyone tell me how many SAAB 2000s and ZDK-03s we have ordered? On Wikipedia it says five of each, which is what I had previously believed to be true. Is this the case?

Also, what exactly is the difference between the KJ-2000 and the ZDK-03, as the latter is based on the former. (this may have been posted before but I couldn't find it)

4 Erieye AEW&CS + 1 Saab-2000 "trani"
4 ZDK-03 improved platform with better crew comfort.

 

[hj786]

Agree with the above post by PC.

Also, what exactly is the difference between the KJ-2000 and the ZDK-03, as the latter is based on the former. (this may have been posted before but I couldn't find it)

No no no, ZDK-03 is based on KJ-200, but improved according to PAF's requirements.

KJ-2000:
KJ-2000 Airborne Warning & Control System - SinoDefence.com

ZDK-03 aka KJ-200, notice the radar is similar to Erieye:
"Gaoxin Project" - Y-8 Electronic Warfare Aircraft - SinoDefence.com (scroll down)

 

[PAFAce]

Agree with the above post by PC.

No no no, ZDK-03 is based on KJ-200, but improved according to PAF's requirements.

ZDK-03 aka KJ-200, notice the radar is similar to Erieye:
"Gaoxin Project" - Y-8 Electronic Warfare Aircraft - SinoDefence.com (scroll down)

Thank you for clearing that up. KJ-200 is currently under development, so this will be difficult to answer, but where will KJ-200/ZDK-03 stand in comparison to the other Chinese AWACS and the Erieye. Seeing that it is under development and Pakistan has a say in the design of the ZDK-03, I assume they will try to match it to the Erieye.