Pakistanis need to be Honest

[hussain0216]

Another crying moment from a sand dweller.

We are not brothers of Saudis, we never will be brothers of Saudis.

Saudis were Rapist and pillagers those who attacked caravans and finally got in bed with the British to stab the ottomans in the back and were rewarded with a fake state.

Pakistanis are diverse and some of us are proud of our heritage, our heritage is not Arabic we have our great civilizations and history, so we were and still are the same before and after Islam.

Historically Arabs have been inferior to Iranians and always will be, oil can't buy you great heritage nor can it buy you courage, you are born with it or not and Iranians are born with it.

Why should Pakistan help you?, when ever did you help us, you look down on our people yet you don't realize we look down on you and your Semitic heritage.

What the hell are you talking about

 

[Fracker]

And who gave you the right to talk for what most of Pakistani's think? No body is talking against KSA, but the reality is something we can't run from. How exactly is Mecca and Madina under threat by Houthis or Iran? Last time I checked both were muslims or we are supposed to believe some wahabi myth which declares them as heretics, who are we to decide. The biggest threat to Islam and muslim history originates from one place and once place only, Wahabi ideology which is hell bent on destroying all elements of Islamic history and most recently the leaked paper discussing moving of grave of prophet PBUH.

I don't need you to know what Pakistanis think and what is Pakistanis stand. Go and on the road, 78% of Pakistanis do support the idea of protecting KSA against everyone, whether Israel, Houthis or Irani. We did many operations in KSA against all forces include which you call Muslims. And even this time Pakistani stand is to protect KSA rather then go offensive. If you are sleeping in stupid idea that we are only against non Muslims attacking KSA not Muslims then its your fault.

I support my country's stand unlike you who support some other country's stand.

 

[macnurv]

I don't need you to know what Pakistanis think and what is Pakistanis stand. Go and on the road, 78% of Pakistanis do support the idea of protecting KSA against everyone, whether Israel, Houthis or Irani. We did many operations in KSA against all forces include which you call Muslims. And even this time Pakistani stand is to protect KSA rather then go offensive. If you are sleeping in stupid idea that we are only against non Muslims attacking KSA not Muslims then its your fault.

I support my country's stand unlike you who support some other country's stand.

On which roads? Roads of Oman or ask those who are actually working in GCC, since they are obviously biased towards helping them at the cost of my countrymen. Please show how did you reached 78% figure, or you pulled it out of thin air? Or in your mind you believe all Sunnis owe some debt to house of saud?

Yes we did operation in KSA, and the particular one you might be referring to was done against a extremist Wahabi cleric and his followers. I am also fully aware of the Pakistan Army's deployment in KSA and also protecting the Saudi royals. Your'e the one who is clearly stupid here, cause I don't see any other country jumping to defend of another country by sacrificing its own blood.

So which one is your country? One of GCC it seems, cause you're trying to be a champion for their cause not that of Pakistan. I have an idea, since you are so eager to help GCC fight, Oman is just next to Yemen. Please volunteer for joining their army and ask them to send you to fight with Houthis. We already have a surplus of people who have stopped using their brains.

Another crying moment from a sand dweller.

We are not brothers of Saudis, we never will be brothers of Saudis.

Saudis were Rapist and pillagers those who attacked caravans and finally got in bed with the British to stab the ottomans in the back and were rewarded with a fake state.

Pakistanis are diverse and some of us are proud of our heritage, our heritage is not Arabic we have our great civilizations and history, so we were and still are the same before and after Islam.

Historically Arabs have been inferior to Iranians and always will be, oil can't buy you great heritage nor can it buy you courage, you are born with it or not and Iranians are born with it.

Why should Pakistan help you?, when ever did you help us, you look down on our people yet you don't realize we look down on you and your Semitic heritage.

You do realize, Persians have a very myopic idea of Persian Nationalism and Heritage and sub-continent is not a part of that?
Saudis were rapists and pillagers? Really must have been in some alternate universe, perhaps the Star Wars one.

 

[Strigon]

Seeing the numerous threads and posts slaming the saudis, the gulf and the sheer bubbling racism underneath i think it's safe to say there is nothing common between the gulf and pakistan save religion and even that is in question.

However what is needed from pakistan is a bit of honesty. As they say in surah kafiroun. You go your way and i shall go my way. If pakistan wants to look east or china that's not a problem. What is a problem is the double faced game pakistan loves to play. The guy who always turns up at everyone's wedding.

We arabs would love it and actually respect pakistan if they said look we dont want you or no longer need you or we decide to forge ahead our own path. But please spare us the pretense of friendship. As they say, it's better to a have an enemy in front of you than a mock friend behind you

One doesn't necessarily need to be a friend and is always expected to take part in someone's wars. I think you are confusing friend, slave, bait.

We have already told arabs to get off their lazy arse and fight if they itch for bloodshed. And call upon us when you have a REAL fight on your hands, Dropping bombs on civilians mixed in with their targeted people, yeah that's something requiring an experienced military force.

When arabs are told no, why do they still keep coming back to request every way possible.

Also I have noticed, Turkey also denied and it faces little to no heat. Oman, an arab country denied. Granted their military force is minuscule, but anything they have is an upper-hand over rag tag rebels fighting with soviet era weapons.

You see, problem is that Arabs had these imaginary fantasies and hopes that whenever we want to punch someone we'll punch him and run behind Pakistan. This is not a friend but a coward back stabber undeserving of a friend status with Pakistan.

So keep your preaching to your self and dont initiate wars if you cant handle bunch of no bodies. Its not the right game for you.

 

[Fracker]

On which roads? Roads of Oman or ask those who are actually working in GCC, since they are obviously biased towards helping them at the cost of my countrymen. Please show how did you reached 78% figure, or you pulled it out of thin air? Or in your mind you believe all Sunnis owe some debt to house of saud?

Yes we did operation in KSA, and the particular one you might be referring to was done against a extremist Wahabi cleric and his followers. I am also fully aware of the Pakistan Army's deployment in KSA and also protecting the Saudi royals. Your'e the one who is clearly stupid here, cause I don't see any other country jumping to defend of another country by sacrificing its own blood.

So which one is your country? One of GCC it seems, cause you're trying to be a champion for their cause not that of Pakistan. I an have idea since you are so eager to help GCC fight, Oman is just next to Yemen. Please volunteer for joining their army and ask them to send you to fight with Houthis. We already have a surplus of people who have stopped using their brains.

Lol, if Pakistani foreign policy states to protect Saudis then which country would I support? And Pakistani policy is not to go in Yemen so why would I ask my army to go? Its you who are mixing both.

And I do roam around on the streets of Lahore Mardan which are my cities, and I know what they talk about KSA. What they say about army going to help Imam Mehdi, one Pakistani Atom bomb is actually Islamic bomb. You are lost, get reality checked again.

 

[macnurv]

Lol, if Pakistani foreign policy states to protect Saudis then which country would I support? And Pakistani policy is not to go in Yemen so why would I ask my army to go? Its you who are mixing both.

And I do roam around on the streets of Lahore Mardan which are my cities, and I know what they talk about KSA. What they say about army going to help Imam Mehdi, one Pakistani Atom bomb is actually Islamic bomb. You are lost, get reality checked again.

Stating policy and acting on it are two different things. We stated Pakistan will ensure territorial integrity of KSA, not helping it with invasion, it seems you are a confused fellow since your cant seem to make distinction between that.
Secondly roaming on the roads makes you an expert to come up with statistical numbers, I guess just because I can drive a car makes me an auto engineer or since I drive it on roads, I must be a civil engineer. Complete lack of sense there.

Islamic Bomb? You are beyond absurd. I guess then US should call their Atomic Weapons as Christian Bomb or India should rename their nukes to Hindu Bombs. If to you those sound ridiculous, good news you still have some sanity left but if your answer is they are, congrats a potato have more acumen compared to you my friend.

 

[Fracker]

Stating policy and acting on it are two different things. We stated Pakistan will ensure territorial integrity of KSA, not helping it with invasion, it seems you are a confused fellow since your cant seem to make distinction between that.
Secondly roaming on the roads makes you an expert to come up with statistical numbers, I guess just because I can drive a car makes me an auto engineer or since I drive it on roads, I must be a civil engineer. Complete lack of sense there.

Islamic Bomb? You are beyond absurd. I guess then US should call their Atomic Weapons as Christian Bomb or India should rename their nukes to Hindu Bombs. If to you those sound ridiculous, good news you still have some sanity left but if your answer is they are, congrats a potato have more acumen compared to you my friend.

That is the issue if you don't walk on the roads or speak to people on the road.otherwise you would know what I am saying. Is true at least for Islamic bomb. You can make as much fun of it, but that will not change the fact.

Also when did I said Pakistan should go in Yemen? Use glasses. Otherwise its useless to speak to you.

 

[macnurv]

That is the issue if you don't walk on the roads or speak to people on the road.otherwise you would know what I am saying. Is true at least for Islamic bomb. You can make as much fun of it, but that will not change the fact.

Also when did I said Pakistan should go in Yemen? Use glasses. Otherwise its useless to speak to you.

I fail to understand that how your claim to walking on the street some how provides credibility to your earlier claim of 78% support.
You are flip flopping with your statements, GCC wants our troops to be sent at their disposal and that is the whole premises of the poster of this topic and the states of GCC as well. Pakistan have stated we will defend KSA's territorial integrity, when challenged. But that is not what GCC wants, if that was enough there wont be further debate on this issue. You need to clarify your mind on this issue, because all I see are contradictions in your statement.

Pakistans nuclear weapon is not a Islamic Bomb, because those who like to call it as only provide to the claims made by detractors of probability of Pakistans nuclear arsenal falling in hands of extremists. I am not responsible for your choice to be ignorant.

 

[Fracker]

I fail to understand that how your claim to walking on the street some how provides credibility to your earlier claim of 78% support.
You are flip flopping with your statements, GCC wants our troops to be sent at their disposal and that is the whole premises of the poster of this topic and the states of GCC as well. Pakistan have stated we will defend KSA's territorial integrity, when challenged. But that is not what GCC wants, if that was enough there wont be further debate on this issue. You need to clarify your mind on this issue, because all I see are contradictions in your statement.

Pakistans nuclear weapon is not a Islamic Bomb, because those who like to call it as only provide to the claims made by detractors of probability of Pakistans nuclear arsenal falling in hands of extremists. I am not responsible for your choice to be ignorant.

That's not the topic. Go and read what OP has said. He said about abusing KSA and Arabs, and I am with on this . and I also mentioned in my first post Pakistan can't send army in Yemen since since there is war in Pakistan. But we will protect KSA if someone attacks which is Pakiatan's stand.

78% since almost all people said about supporting KsA.and I had many discussion with many people who are mass, unlike seculars or shias who don't want Pakistan helping KSA in any case.

Islamic bomb name was given by CNN 1998, when Pakistan done the tests.

 

[Engineer Paad]

i think your an indian... not an arab.... arabs understand the relationship between pakistan and the gulf states.

Not only an Indian but a hindu bro. He did blasphemy after questioning Pakistan intention. Label him and stone him to death.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Another crying moment from a sand dweller.

We are not brothers of Saudis, we never will be brothers of Saudis.

Saudis were Rapist and pillagers those who attacked caravans and finally got in bed with the British to stab the ottomans in the back and were rewarded with a fake state.

Pakistanis are diverse and some of us are proud of our heritage, our heritage is not Arabic we have our great civilizations and history, so we were and still are the same before and after Islam.

Historically Arabs have been inferior to Iranians and always will be, oil can't buy you great heritage nor can it buy you courage, you are born with it or not and Iranians are born with it.

Why should Pakistan help you?, when ever did you help us, you look down on our people yet you don't realize we look down on you and your Semitic heritage.

Astaghfirullah. You don't have to be a racist to take pride in your heritage.

On topic: Friendship has its limits.

 

[macnurv]

That's not the topic. Go and read what OP has said. He said about abusing KSA and Arabs, and I am with on this . and I also mentioned in my first post Pakistan can't send army in Yemen since since there is war in Pakistan. But we will protect KSA if someone attacks which is Pakiatan's stand.

78% since almost all people said about supporting KsA.and I had many discussion with many people who are mass, unlike seculars or shias who don't want Pakistan helping KSA in any case.

Islamic bomb name was given by CNN 1998, when Pakistan done the tests.

Again, 78% of Pakistani's account for around 150 million people, that is why I asked for the source. Your perception does not means that the number is real. Original poster appears to be aloof of what Pakistan have stated, majority of people across Pakistan are not against Arabs but not arab lovers as well. But accusing us of being racist is like pot calling kettle black. Just today 5 Pakistanis burned to their deaths and the Saudi media reported the story as 5 asian workers died in a fire, could this be their prejudice against Pakistan and its citizen. The OP also seems to be oblivious to the arrogant mark and naked threat made by UAE minister towards us, when you threaten some one dont expect love in return.

If we are so keen on taking on and accepting the terms used by CNN and other western media than we must accept the terms they use to describe us, leading one Pakistan being a failed state. The whole agenda of calling Pakistan Nuclear Arsenal as Islamic bomb is to delegitimise our right to protect ourselves against a hostile India and portraying us as a threat to world peace. Dont be so eager to accept their calls.

 

[utraash]

Seeing the numerous threads and posts slaming the saudis, the gulf and the sheer bubbling racism underneath i think it's safe to say there is nothing common between the gulf and pakistan save religion and even that is in question.

However what is needed from pakistan is a bit of honesty. As they say in surah kafiroun. You go your way and i shall go my way. If pakistan wants to look east or china that's not a problem. What is a problem is the double faced game pakistan loves to play. The guy who always turns up at everyone's wedding.

We arabs would love it and actually respect pakistan if they said look we dont want you or no longer need you or we decide to forge ahead our own path. But please spare us the pretense of friendship. As they say, it's better to a have an enemy in front of you than a mock friend behind you

Bro I m not Pakistan but just tell me one thing ..... Why arabs cant fight their own fight ? What they lack? Arab is not tiny piece of land of few thousand population.... Why arabs are seeking Pakistan full fledged involvement into a war ....?
Or arabs want to avoid embarrassment of losing of war at the hands of handful houthis rebellions ?
Sorry to say but seeing the nervousness of arabs we tend to jump to a conclusion "coward-ness has no medicine"....

 

[Fracker]

Again, 78% of Pakistani's account for around 150 million people, that is why I asked for the source. Your perception does not means that the number is real. Original poster appears to be aloof of what Pakistan have stated, majority of people across Pakistan are not against Arabs but not arab lovers as well. But accusing us of being racist is like pot calling kettle black. Just today 5 Pakistanis burned to their deaths and the Saudi media reported the story as 5 asian workers died in a fire, could this be their prejudice against Pakistan and its citizen. The OP also seems to be oblivious to the arrogant mark and naked threat made by UAE minister towards us, when you threaten some one dont expect love in return.

If we are so keen on taking on and accepting the terms used by CNN and other western media than we must accept the terms they use to describe us, leading one Pakistan being a failed state. The whole agenda of calling Pakistan Nuclear Arsenal as Islamic bomb is to delegitimise our right to protect ourselves against a hostile India and portraying us as a threat to world peace. Dont be so eager to accept their calls.

You do sampling, in this regard, not go and ask 150 million people. I did that,.

lol so now 3 Pakistanis burnt blame also goes against Saudis. Such a racism, hatred don't make you a speaker or representative of Pakistan. Around 1% of Pakistanis work in KSA, largest among any country in the world. And here indians lobby is strong, but blame goes to Pakistanis who are not united. If some Pakistan gives his resume for Job, Pakistanis try to be neutral while Indians clearly use their card. Which is why Pakistani lobby is weak. When I joined, everyone thought Pakistanis are only good as normal workers, or Doctors or Power Engineers, but I really change the mindset of many Omanis, now they thing Pakistanis are much better then Indians, Only Omani choose a Pakistani against Indian Lobby.

Bro I m not Pakistan but just tell me one thing ..... Why arabs cant fight their own fight ? What they lack? Arab is not tiny piece of land of few thousand population.... Why arabs are seeking Pakistan full fledged involvement into a war ....?
Or arabs want to avoid embarrassment of losing of war at the hands of handful houthis rebellions ?
Sorry to say but seeing the nervousness of arabs we tend to jump to a conclusion "coward-ness has no medicine"....

Their Army is weak, they have money, stay in luxuries life through the history, which made them lazy. Through the history Pakistan help them in many operation inside KSA, in war against Israel. So they automatically assumed Pakistan will help them, but they are wrong in this regards. Pakistan cannot help them, unless UN interfere.

KSA also knows, in 1968, many Egyptian died in fight against same tribe so they can't go risk of sending ground force against them.

 

[macnurv]

You do sampling, in this regard, not go and ask 150 million people. I did that,.

lol so now 3 Pakistanis burnt blame also goes against Saudis. Such a racism, hatred don't make you a speaker or representative of Pakistan. Around 1% of Pakistanis work in KSA, largest among any country in the world. And here indians lobby is strong, but blame goes to Pakistanis who are not united. If some Pakistan gives his resume for Job, Pakistanis try to be neutral while Indians clearly use their card. Which is why Pakistani lobby is weak. When I joined, everyone thought Pakistanis are only good as normal workers, or Doctors or Power Engineers, but I really change the mindset of many Omanis, now they thing Pakistanis are much better then Indians, Only Omani choose a Pakistani against Indian Lobby.

LOL, Thanks for telling me you took an adequate sample size with 95% CI and a validated questionnaire. Care to share you materials and methods along with results, hahaha. I am just messing with you.

I fail to understand this Indian lobby being stronger, if that is the case Arabs should feel closer and comfortable with Indians they should ask them to send their army, after all India does have professional battle tested military. Arabs havent respected us, and with this attitude of ours they never will. As long as they know we are dependent on them for our economic growth we will never grow. Not a single country have developed into something by being economically dependent on others.
Burning of 3 Pakistani's is not something unique or isolated. maltreatment of Pakistanis is rampant in GCC, particularly in Kuwait, KSA and Qatar. What I find irritating is accusation by Arabs where they label us as racists, when in reality its the other way around.