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You people call it east pakistan or not may be a metter of debate. But matter of fact is that Indian bengal is still called as "West" bengal which effectively makes bangladesh as "East" bengal. Even after so much demands, GOI has refused to rename WB as simply bengal.

Similarly, supreme court of India thrashed a petition which seeks to remove the reference of "Sindh" from the national anthem as it belongs to pakistan. So effectively Sindh is still in India as per the national anthem. And GOI and judiciary refuse to ammend it.

Something to ponder upon.
very very retarded line of argument. West Bengal may be referred so just as a matter of it geographic location and why does calling something West Bengal equate to the other one being called East Pakistan?

Pakistan has accepted Bangladesh as an independent country. There is not a single political party that wants any sort of remerger, we just want good ties with them.
 
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BBC NEWS | South Asia | Bangladesh's unwanted people

Bangladesh's unwanted people


At first glance, Geneva Camp could be any of Dhaka's overcrowded and ****** slums.

But above it flies Pakistan's green flag, with a red strip sewn on the side to represent, I was told, the suffering of the people there.

In the camp's school, the children first sing the Bangladesh national anthem at assembly, and then, after prayers, they belt out Pakistan's. Loyalties are divided.

"When I grow up I want to stay in this country and become a teacher," one girl tells me. But her classmate wants to go to Pakistan. " My grandmother lives in Karachi so I really want to go there," she says.

When I ask a group of youths which cricket team they supported when Pakistan recently played Bangladesh they all replied, "Pakistan".

But did they want to live there? "No, it is far too dangerous. Bangladesh is a peaceful country. We don't have any Taleban here," they said.

'Huge mistake'

Their lessons are in the local language Bengali, but their mother tongue is Urdu, the language of north Indian Islam, which their great-grandparents brought to Bangladesh in 1947 when it was then the eastern wing of Pakistan.

During the partition of India along religious lines, several hundred thousand Muslims, mostly from the Indian state of Bihar, came with them.

They were given houses and jobs by the government, but because they could not speak Bengali, they spent most of their lives apart from their countrymen.

The camp where Pakistanis live in Bangladesh


The school's headmaster, Shawkat Ali, has a framed portrait of Pakistan's founder Mohammed Ali Jinnah above his desk.

He says that his grandfather's decision to listen to Jinnah and leave India in 1947 was a huge mistake.

"Our family lost everything when we moved to Pakistan. We lost in India, then we lost in Pakistan, and now we are in Bangladesh," he said.

"We are the beggars on the footpath. Our people are leading a horrible life."

East Pakistan came to a bloody end in 1971 when the Bengali majority demanded greater autonomy for their province and then won a national election.

Pakistan responded by sending in its army. Nine months and a reported three million deaths later it pulled out and Bangladesh became an independent country.

Most Urdu-speakers had supported Pakistan, and some joined the militia responsible for atrocities. Thousands of Urdu-speaking civilians were also killed.

After the war, they were forced to abandon their homes and businesses, and herded into 70 Red Cross camps, awaiting repatriation to Pakistan.

But it only took in about half of them, and today there are 250,000 to 400,000 people still living in these same camps.

Several generations, and often several families, now share the small rooms each was originally given.

Bangladeshis in all but name

Shawkat Ali, the headmaster, is also one of the leaders of the Stranded Pakistanis General Repatriation Committee which calls for Pakistan to take in everyone who wants to go there.

"Our fathers and forefathers gave their blood for the creation of Pakistan. We have opted to go to Pakistan, and we should go there at the earliest," he said.

But many of the younger generation believe that Bangladesh will not help them if they continue to insist they are Pakistanis, and that the calls for repatriation have only made their lives harder.



Pakistan meanwhile says that it has taken in everyone it had agreed to following the war. It might accept more, but only on "humanitarian grounds".

In any case, many of the younger Urdu-speakers say they are Bangladeshis in all but name.

"There is no question of returning us to Pakistan. We haven't seen that country, we don't know that country, we were born and brought up here and we want to die here in dignity," Sadakat Khan, a community leader said.

He now hopes things will pick up for the Urdu-speakers after winning a historic victory in Bangladesh's Supreme Court last month.

The court ruled that anyone born in the country who did not refer to himself or herself as a "Stranded Pakistani", could vote in this year's upcoming elections.

And if they have the right to vote, Mr Khan says, the Urdu-speakers will then have the right to citizenship, government jobs, medical care, education, land ownership and foreign travel.

"We were deprived of the rights of a state for 36 years, but now we are getting them," he said. "With this ruling, the future of our children has been saved."

He hopes that nearly four decades of life as a stateless, unwanted people has finally come to an end.

Biharis Stranded in Bangladesh

 
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wow i cant believe it that a bangladeshi is saying this, your raising a question on your own country in the pretext of weakening Islam.

To understand where I am coming form, You have to born Muslim....:)

Either you did not witness the sacrifices that were given by your fellow country men to achieve freedom or religion is crowding your view. Very sad indeed.

Actually we got our home land in 47. Bangladesh is just new name for East Pakistan.
 
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A Bangladeshi’s Visit to Pakistan

Fariha writing on her trip to Pakistan with such heartfelt emotion and sincerity. I must thank my friend AJ for pointing out this excellent piece.

“ Apko kia pata, ke humara dil apke liye kitna rota hai. Jab aap logo ko koi taklif hota hai to humain lagta hain k taklif humain ho raha hai. Bohot pyar karte hai hum aap se. alag ho gaye to kya hua. Bhai to bhai hota hai. Bangladeshi to humare bhai hai.”
Rafe, 60-something, Bus-driver, Lahore

I’ve met people from different parts of the world and traveled to a few places myself. But never, not once, in any of my interactions or travels, have I ever come across a race of people who have made me feel so proud of my nationality: Bangladeshi. But then, I visited Pakistan. I was born in an independent Bangladesh. I’ve never had to struggle to get my voice heard, I was allowed to vote (till quite recently) and I’m allowed to speak my mind. Until my trip to Pakistan, I had never realized how precious all these things are. I had always regarded Pakistan, a distant country, as a bitter chapter in our history. But only after meeting the people did I realize how close we could be and how much my heritage means to them. Never before have I received so much respect for just being Bangladeshi.

Till quite recently, I had never visited Pakistan. Neither had my parents. Since the only Pakistanis I’d met belonged to the educated bourgeoisie class, I had assumed that it was only this select lot who were aware of the atrocities committed in 1971. I had always believed that most Pakistanis believed that Bangladeshis were Kafirs who had let India take them over and regarded us with disdain. Don’t ask me why I thought all of this or what explanation I have for my notions. My notions had stemmed from the prevalent attitude of our pro-liberation buddhijibis, who have, through their own glorifications of our War of Liberation, somehow equated patriotism as anti-Pakistani feeling and instilled that in some of us. In fact, I still know people who think that to be a true patriot you would have to hate Pakistan, with all its institutions and people. Our elders in Bangladesh, somehow always let us think that Pakistanis don’t care about Bangladesh. I’m not blaming them for my ill-conceived ideas. I was partly to blame for judging a whole race simply on the basis of the half-truths I had heard. I am not proud of what I thought. But my recent trip to Pakistan has made me feel proud of who I am and I am proud of my newly acquired views. Though I think that I now face the threat of being termed a ‘****-lover’ or ‘Rajakar’, I am writing this because I think that our generation needs to know the other side of the story.

To be perfectly honest, upon our arrival at Islamabad, since the very first people we had met were bureaucrats, I didn’t buy into the whole “Pakistani-Bangladeshi bhai bhai” ideology they seemed to desperately convey to us. To me it seemed too forceful, too elaborate and too far removed from what we in Bangladesh have been led to believe about Pakistani attitude towards Bangladesh. If every shop-keeper, hotel-boy, porter, flight-attendant, bus-driver and almost everyone else I had met hadn’t echoed the same sentiments, I probably never would’ve believed that Pakistani people actually believe that we are still their brothers and they love us. It’s love that is rooted in our shared history, in our present day struggles to make our mark in this world, our efforts to rise above poverty and frustration at watching our neighbors grow at exponential rates as we combat the demons of corruption and bad governance.

“There are so many things we need to learn from Bangladesh. In fact, I personally think that your Caretaker Government system is very effective and we’re trying to emulate that”, an Additional Secretary told the ten-member media delegation from Bangladesh. Nothing was said, but their admiration for our achievements, including in establishing democracy and keeping it for 15 years, was apparent. In Karachi, an official of the Press Information Department under their Ministry of Information regaled the success of our homegrown micro-credit formula and it’s award-winning success. As far as the bureaucracy of Pakistan was concerned, everywhere we went we were greeted by praise and accolade. Even with 106 licensed private TV channels and 60 on-air channels, the Government of Pakistan marveled at how the journalists in Bangladesh are better trained and more sensitized. In a country where GEO News was closed down for violating State of Emergency rules, the Bangladeshi media received accolade from the Pakistani media for the courage demonstrated and the torture survived. In a media world now free of ‘press advise’ from intelligence agencies or foreign ministries, they marveled at the openness of our media. Peshawar Press Club gave the media delegates a reception and Express News threw a dinner. I am told that this is commonplace for all delegates from Bangladesh visiting Pakistan. But it most certainly wasn’t commonplace for me. No one had ever told me that this is how much respect these people have for us. All I have learnt from the learned, well-versed editors of our progressive newspapers is that Pakistan, the monsters who had killed our people in 1971 is now a failed nation. They forgot to mention the people of Pakistan, the warmth and hospitality they extend to all visiting Bangladeshis and the love and respect they still have for us. They never taught us how to help them or how to become friends with Pakistanis. Ulta, this was frowned upon. We weren’t told about how much they crave our friendship.

I had always believed that the atrocities committed in1971 by the Pakistani Military Hanadar Bahini, the genocide and the rapes would be a taboo topic for us in Pakistan. Taboo not just on the account us being invited by the Pakistan Government, but also because I had believed the Pakistani version of the events of 1971 to be different from ours. Therefore, you can imagine my shock when everyone I met mentioned our Liberation War (mind you, not the “Fall of Dhaka”) as ‘mistakes made by us in 1971, that shouldn’t have happened and we wish they hadn’t happened’. Rafe chacha, the man who drove our bus said to me, ‘beta, Bhutto ne jo kia, bohot galat kia. Mujhe to ootni talim bhi nahi hai, par itna to mujhe bhi pata hai’. Roughly translated, he meant that despite his lack of formal education, even he was aware of the atrocities committed by Bhutto (not just Yahya Khan, the executioner, but also the dictator) in 1971. Later on, he even explained to me how now that all of Pakistan is racially divided; they understand how Bangladesh must have felt. Rafe chacha even said to me how the people of Pakistan feel that political leadership in Bangladesh is much stronger than in Pakistan. ‘Benazir Bhutto jo thi, wo bhi zamindar ki beti thi. Oon ko kia pata k 3 din se mere ghar mei atta nahi hai. Aap k muluk mei to kitne acche admi hai, leaders hai. Humai aaj take k bhi sahi admi nahi mila. Aap ka jo dr.yunus hai, un ho ne garib o k barei mei socha, kuch kia. Humare yaha ek bhi aisa admi nahi mila’, he remorses. He said he echoed the sentiments of the rural working class who are always struggling to survive the repeated onslaughts of the political turmoil in the country. The ups and downs of power-play-who wins the elections or who looses, really never affects the common man. He knows that politics is not for him. He knows regardless of who wins the election, if there ever is one, at the end, he looses. Successive regimes have only helped to widen the rich and poor divide and people like Rafe chacha seek a program like micro-credit to improve their financial conditions. There are millions like Rafe chacha who would benefit from the models developed by our NGOs and civil society organizations that help the grassroots people. Even a PID official admitted that Sheikh Hasina is his favorite South Asian leader because she stands for the common man. The sectarian violence, the non-homogenous population and the increasing rich and poor divide has helped people like Rafe chacha and the likes of him realize and empathize with our plights pre-71. We, as Bangladeshis, as an independent, sovereign nation, with our certain successful social organization models are now in the capacity to help them and save them from the fate we had suffered.

“Baji aap Bangladesh se hai? Arre kia baat hai. Phir to aap hamare mehman hai. Aap ko kia pilau? Paani yia Cola? Aap meri puri dukan le jao koi masla nahi. Mehman hai aap humare’. I got tired of hearing these lines. I heard the same lines in Islamabad, in Murree, in Karachi and even in Peshawar. A pukhtun shopkeeper abandoned his shop in the evening, in a jomjomat bazaar just to show a few lost Bangladeshi journalists the way to another bazaar. In fact, the Pathans made these guys have dinner with them, saying that Bangladeshis were not just guests but brothers.I have never received so much love and respect anywhere else in the world, for simply being Bangladeshi. Everywhere I went, everyone I met, somehow managed to show this chit of a Bangladeshi girl, with her uncovered head and bare arms, an amazing display of camaraderie and respect. I really don’t know what I have in common with the man from Waziristan who dragged my luggage across the streets of Saddar in Peshawar or the teachers of Peshawar University who were going berserk trying to find an old picture of my grandfather which could’ve been anywhere in Pakistan. They didn’t have to do any of that. They are not answerable to any government, theirs or mine. They didn’t know me. They belong to a different nation, a different culture and an altogether different world. But somehow, they were able to relate to me before I could relate to them. They called me a sister even before I would consider them friends. They made the first move, they extended their hand of friendship and their love and hospitality. They gave me love because they believed that their leaders had wronged us in ’71, but we have survived and grown stronger, and more successful than them. We have greater literacy rates and more female participation in all sections of the socio-economic system. From Islamabad to Peshawar and in Karachi, all they gave us was love and respect and all they wanted from us was knowledge. They humbly expressed remorse for 1971 for the actions of the Pakistani military. In every action of theirs, I saw a call for help and solidarity. I felt that this nation, once so known to our forefathers, now completely alien to us, needs us to cooperate with them, help them up, just like one brother (even an estranged one) would help another. They made me feel strong and powerful. They made me feel proud of our achievements—all the things that we take for granted at home. This wasn’t the kind of pride you feel when you defeat another team in cricket or when you realize someone else is worse off than you. This was the first time in my life a foreign country and people, by their own good actions, had made me feel so proud of my Bangladeshi heritage.

In war-ravaged NWFP, where the local government is still struggling to accommodate the refugees, ensure minimum security and attain a minimum standard of living for its entire populace, we were perhaps best received. The governor of NWFP, Mr. Owais Ghani only reinstated Pakistan’s new attitude towards Bangladesh, ‘Let us not be prisoners of our past. Let us learn from our past and now look forward’.

In my humble opinion and still limited purview of the world, I feel that Bangladesh and our hard-earned independence have been vindicated. We have proven to Pakistan, home to our military oppressors and bloodthirsty dictator of 1971, that we have survived and we’ve only gotten better. Now, it’s time to show them just strong we are by sharing some of our strengths with them and helping them out in their struggles.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. If we now close our doors to Pakistan, we will be shutting out a friend. The people of Pakistan have nothing but respect for Bangladesh. They want to learn. They want to know. But what will be our call? Will we play into the hands of those who have used the sentiments of 1971 to progress their own vested interests or should we promote our inherently peaceful and progressive way of life to a nation that looks up at us with hope and an offer of friendship. Again, at the risk of being labeled, I dare suggest that perhaps, it’s time to call truce and move on. We will never forget 1971, but then taking pride in our history should not be analogous to hating the people of another country, who were also victims of their circumstances and military oppressors.
 
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Has ever US apologizes to Japan for worst ever attack on civilians in human history, but still both nations are friends and business partners.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. If we now close our doors to Pakistan, we will be shutting out a friend. The people of Pakistan have nothing but respect for Bangladesh. They want to learn. They want to know. But what will be our call? Will we play into the hands of those who have used the sentiments of 1971 to progress their own vested interests or should we promote our inherently peaceful and progressive way of life to a nation that looks up at us with hope and an offer of friendship. Again, at the risk of being labeled, I dare suggest that perhaps, it’s time to call truce and move on. We will never forget 1971, but then taking pride in our history should not be analogous to hating the people of another country, who were also victims of their circumstances and military oppressors.
 
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To understand where I am coming form, You have to born Muslim....:)



Actually we got our home land in 47. Bangladesh is just new name for East Pakistan.

I hope you know that I am a muslim, so please dont tell me what Islam is. I am sick and tired of people claiming to be the flag bearers of Islam. It is what that causes all the problems in the first place.

Your attitude towards your own country is sad, people who fought for just the name would be dejected by the fact that people view Bangladesh as just a "New name “for East Pakistan. Very sad indeed, Apologies from my side to all Bangladeshi's who pride being Just Bangladeshi's and not an acronym for East Pakistani's. The nation comes first, everything else is after it.
 
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Yes you are muslim great but I have come across dozens of Indian muslims that are proud to be Indians and friends of hindus. That is why in the Hadees it is stated that there will be groups of muslims that will be proud to be the partners of non-believers and see that happening today. Though you may not be that and I cannot judge you.
 
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Yes you are muslim great but I have come across dozens of Indian muslims that are proud to be Indians and friends of hindus. That is why in the Hadees it is stated that there will be groups of muslims that will be proud to be the partners of non-believers and see that happening today. Though you may not be that and I cannot judge you.

i dont believe in the term "Non believers", it is thinking like this that is causing all the problems in the first place. The world now is a mosaic of different religions and cultures, saying that my god is better than yours is the root cause of all problems. I believe in Allah as much as or more than you but i don't not believe that by calling other non-believers it makes me a better Muslim in any way.
 
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i dont believe in the term "Non believers", it is thinking like this that is causing all the problems in the first place. The world now is a mosaic of different religions and cultures, saying that my god is better than yours is the root cause of all problems. I believe in Allah as much as or more than you but i don't not believe that by calling other non-believers it makes me a better Muslim in any way.

very well said.......
 
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Pakistan was conceived as a homeland for the Muslims of South Asia, not as a homeland that excluded Hindus.

"You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State."


- Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
August 11, 1947


Just leave your patriotism/religion aside for a moment and then think rationally.. Do you really think if this was the case why then partition was needed... If Muslims can go to Mosque in India and Hindus can go to Temple in Pakistan then why there was a separate homeland was required for Muslims.. while there was no proper logic applied... How a Tamil muslim can gel up with Punjabi or Bengali Muslim in separate homeland of Muslims..

This was purely a power game of few handful politicians that time who got manipulated by Britishers as well... And today we are still living with the religious hatred because of that..

Believe it or not .. We south asians are nothing but a simple mob who is simply run by few clever politicians and whenever they talk about our profit (short term only... not long term) we start moving with them..sad but true..
 
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well i don't know if the pakistani goverment will apologize or not, but i as a pakistani sincerly apologize to all the bangladesh famalies who lost loved ones because of pakistani army. I apologize.
 
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1. The article talks about Pakistanis not official stand of Pakistan govt. to show the world.

2. We are talking about large number of people in Pakistan who still thinks BD as "East Pakistan".

3. Its People's Republic of Bangladesh, get yourself corrected.

thanks

Mr. Justin how many times do you visit Pakistan?. I bid non. so your whole statement is a crap and Bull ****.

And one more thing don't post crap without evidence which in current situation you don't have.
 
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BBC NEWS | South Asia | Bangladesh's unwanted people


He now hopes things will pick up for the Urdu-speakers after winning a historic victory in Bangladesh's Supreme Court last month.

The court ruled that anyone born in the country who did not refer to himself or herself as a "Stranded Pakistani", could vote in this year's upcoming elections.

And if they have the right to vote, Mr Khan says, the Urdu-speakers will then have the right to citizenship, government jobs, medical care, education, land ownership and foreign travel.

"We were deprived of the rights of a state for 36 years, but now we are getting them," he said. "With this ruling, the future of our children has been saved."

He hopes that nearly four decades of life as a stateless, unwanted people has finally come to an end.


I hope you read the above lines.Well to back you up,Now these people are Bangladeshi citizens and they voted in the last election.Also have their own representative.

And as for their living condition,it isn't much different than "Bengalis" living in slums in Bangladesh.When we have millions of people living in a poor condition,it really sounds absurd when one talks about "Bihari people's right".
Ask the Bangladeshis in slums,how many rights they can enjoy.

So no point in saying we treat them badly because they are Biharis.

And since it seems you care for these people,I think you should know that these people were supposed to be taken back to Pakistan.Just like we brought back the Bangladeshis who wanted to come back.
Instead of shedding tears,you should have taken these people back completely.

But now they are granted BD nationality,so let us worry about our people now.



P.S:Oh..didn't notice you were banned.
 
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