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Pakistanis' faith is deeper than that of many other Muslim countries: Ayatollah Khamenei

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Iran we are with you as neighbors , friends and brothers its others that try to divide us inshallah we shall share our friendship and brotherhood further so help us ALLAH. My family blood line even leads to Iran one day I shall visit !!
Thanks brother, we feel the same as well. God bless you

But it feels like those 'others' that you mentioned are trying to devide us, are progressively advancing their goal

Look at this thread for example, although its about the praising of Iran's most respected leader, pakistanis in this thread are mostly talking hatred which is very confusing

Inshaallah we'll be alright though

Because faith for an ancient Aryan warrior race is hardwired into their blood.

And Islam came to them from an enemy race. To be blunt, not really an enemy. But a people they still see as a lesser race.

They are deeply conflicted.

And their internal conflict grows. As their non Persian mullahs get even edgier.

Cheers, Doc
Thanks for the educated response. We all feel we've learnt new things from that post
Dumass

Multiple cheers in a row, Doc
 
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Thanks brother, we feel the same as well. God bless you

But it feels like those 'others' that you mentioned are trying to devide us, are progressively advancing their goal

Look at this thread for example, although its about the praising of Iran's most respected leader, pakistanis in this thread are mostly talking hatred which is very confusing

Inshaallah we'll be alright though


Thanks for the educated response. We all feel we've learnt new things from that post
Dumass

Multiple cheers in a row, Doc

Please open your eyes.

It's been long enough.

Third cuzin, far removed ....

Cheers, Doc
 
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Please open your eyes.

It's been long enough.

Cheers, Doc
I think this world has enough of people like you my dear. It has enough open eyes who are fighting to make a change based on love and respect

I'd rather be blind and let smart people such as yourself run this world

God bless, Doc.
 
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I think this world has enough of people like you my dear. It has enough open eyes who are fighting to make a change based on love and respect

I'd rather be blind and let smart people such as yourself run this world

God bless, Doc.

Cheers bro.

May Ahura Mazda continue to watch over you.
 
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I will agree Partly with Mr Khamenei regarding the truth about wahabi influenced groups and whatever sugar coating they do to themselves. They cannot coexist peacefully with any other ideology. They will fight on a new issue everyday till there ideology is eradicated.
But i beg to disagree on the advice of SHIAs getting united and COORDINATING with NONSHIA.
We have enough of this sectarian shit in our country. We are dreaming a country where it doesn't even matter if your Surname is Abbas or Abu Abdullah or Chishti. Sectarian unity is based on hatred toward the other sect one way or the other. And Irani Establishment should start seeing Pakistan as a unified nation with a strong national identity with the tag PAKISTANI as above everything and stop being a patron of Pakistani Shias.They are our brothers in arms who pledge there allegiance to Pakistan as much as any other Pakistani and through out history Starting from Quid e Azam To many notable Pakistanis. We are proud of our Shia Community.

InshALLAH We will crush the Wahabi/Deobandi Takfirism from Pakistan and then integrate into a purely National Centric Country with highest moral values. May Allah help us in this aim Ameen
 
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No, you can't package it on your own desire.
You have to follow as it is what has been commanded.

We have been commanded to always take the middle path. moderation

No, the basis is not democracy because Muslims didn't vote to take Mecca in a election, they conquered it.

So again, why would Muslims who conquered a land on a religious basis give land back to non-Muslims in a democratic election?

Answer is they won't, because Islam is not democratic. No religion is democratic. So stop fooling yourself with your falsehood that Islam and Democracy are compatible.

I am not fooling anyone.
Islam and Democracy are totally compatible. Why are you so extremist that you cannot even respect other peoples opinion?

Well, without our pure religion, we have to surrender to west and their wills and lose our honor like the rst of world
Why are we bearing sanctions from the first days of our revolution? Palestine, why?
Because they are Muslims being killed in the hands of Zionists
Minitank is right, Pakistanis can bring a fine leadership for prophet's Ummah also Iranians without mentioning their religious differences.
Islamic lands are rich, imagine what happens if they come together. Sunni world respects Pakistan and it's good, i want good relations with Pakistan as the strongest and influential member of Sunni concept.
Let's forget about majoosi Iranians and bad Pakistanis
We need to revive Ummah

find yourself another hobby.
Mosadeq agrees
 
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Well it depends on yourself, i have no doubt you haven't read the article. Your answer is among the paragraphs.
Do me a favor and don't talk before reading the article.
You can make threads, as everyone else do. No one is stopping you from

LOL, hahha that's not an Islamic law. That's an invention, again i have no doubt you haven't read a single word from Quran. Don't talk about Islam before reading Quran.

There is/was no Shia Sunni war. There will be non
It's a fight between USA's lackeys and Muslims, you just need a little بصیرت

Why don't you read the article guys? Damn! he is talking about ordinary citizens, all of them.
And why would i be worried about our Sunnis?
They approve our fight against ISIS and Al-Nusra.
Don't interfere in our internal matter, now you know what i am talking about. Our country our people and our rules. Respect that as we respect you guys. Brotherhood is good and we love you guys as well but this is our house and don't try to create difference between our brothers. We are Muslims and then Pakistani's. You guys if says both sunni and shia's even then i will give same call. Respect our freedom and we are after Muslims we are more Pakistani then Sunni and Shia.

Thanks.

I think people are too narrow minded in understanding Islam as they see Islam in light of Christianity which is an organised religion.
Brother i bit you don't know Christianity and Islam is most organized religion in the world. Since we don't know things about our religion so your post is obviously understood by me. If you have spare time just read history of Roman Catholics and Protestant. Also read the reason behind church of England creation.

Please do and disappoint yourself ... I am a Sunni Iranian Turk.

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So if you are doing for others then it is ok and for Iran it is not correct. Hypocracy at its best. We are Muslims and Pakistani first and then something else. Stay away and respect us as we do to you
 
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Pakistanis' faith is deeper than that of many other Muslim countries: Ayatollah Khamenei

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I believe that the faith of the Pakistani people is deeper than that of many other Muslim countries, or perhaps better say almost all other Muslim countries; I can argue on that.
Matters regarding Pakistan are by no means separated from Muslims, in general, and Islamic goals and issues. There has always been a special relation between the Iranian nation and the Pakistani nation; God willing this relationship will grow stronger, day by day. In fact, the Pakistani nation and their sincere Islamic country men have always been a source of support for our nation, when it comes to matters surrounding the Revolution; it has been so, since the early days after the Revolution; it continues to be so and it will keep going - God willing.

In Pakistan, the enemies of Islam have great influence. There are roots of colonialism, left since British colonization of the nation, which was later transferred to the U.S. and other agents among those arrogant powers. Hence, although the Islamic movement in Pakistan is in full blossom and delight, it faces complicated problems too; and you are feeling the dilemmas there. We observe those dilemmas from a far, while you feel it within your own flesh and bones.

We believe the basis behind these measures are carried out is to sow discord, under the slogan of “divide and conquer” upon which the British acted, since the first day of stepping onto the peninsula.

Shias and Sunnis have always lived together in peace on this Peninsula; and it has been the same for Pakistan. They are putting Shias under pressure, by classifying them as a minority. You can feel this pressure in Pakistan. Pakistanis have also had martyrs, for the same reason: the late martyr Aqa Seyyed Arif, was a prominent martyr of a conspiracy created by the enemies.

Therefore, it is necessary to pay attention to two fundamental measures:

Firstly, strengthening the Shias: the 25 percent of Shias who live in Pakistan should unite, as much as possible. Regardless if the unity is not achieved at 100 percent, unity at 100 percent should be the target. If presumably the 100 percent goal is not achieved -because some remain indifferent or stay away from it- the totality of the Shias should stay together. They should establish a bond that would strengthen them: so they may move with the movement, take action and have an identical direction; there should be no discord among Shias themselves. Different groups with different names should not stand out. "Discord among Shias can bring about much harm"; I stressed this point on a trip to Pakistan, 6-7 years ago, to the late Aqa Seyyed Arif, the late Aqa Seyyed Safdar, along with other scholars who were present; and on every visit they made to Iran, I reminded them of this point. Thus, Shias must make an attempt to establish a strong and solid entity, so that they cannot be gobbled up by the enemy.

Secondly, this single and united entity should commit themselves towards establishing more relations with non-Shia groups, except for those who are determined to practice animosity, like Wahabbi groups who show animosity towards Sunnis as well. If, for one day, we seek refuge in God, and Shi’ism does not exist any longer nor is there a Shia entity, they (Wahabbi) will sow discord among Sunnis; because, those who direct them fear the unity of Muslims. Of course, the ordinary members of these takfiri groups may not realize what they are doing; they are ignorant and malevolent people, who only do evil; but those who direct them (even if there was no Shia) would sow discord among non-Shias too! This is why in Pakistan, with a population of hundred million believing Muslims, they do not allow the Islamic potency to grow.

I believe that the faith of the Pakistani people is deeper than that of many other Muslim countries, or perhaps better say almost all other Muslim countries; I can argue on that. Despite the British rule over Pakistan, for many years, and all those areas, which were once under the control of the British (who tried their best to secularize them): what remains, after so much pressure there, is witnessed in Pakistan; the consolidated Islamic belief with Islamic enthusiasm and passion.

If all the efforts made by the British in Pakistan were carried out in a different country, possibly, it could be argued that there would be no trace of Islam left there.

It is clear that the people of Pakistan are stronger, in their belief, due to their spiritual and mental complexion; and the enemy knows that. The psychology of the people is known and controlled by the enemy. The enemy wants to perish this strong faith by any means possible; that is why they make their attempts to cause discord. In my opinion, if a strong coordinated effort is made, then future relations with all non-Wahhabi groups can be established; I assume, the groups of brothers in various Shia communities (in Pakistan), can make this all-embracing and strong effort together.

The Almighty God and the Prophet have promised us that if we move on the path of God, those with Satan will practice animosity towards us: we should embrace this animosity; If efforts and following up on tasks are carried out, God willing, victory will be achieved in the face of truth.


Ayatollah Khamenei's statements made during a gathering with a group of Pakistani Shias; January 06, 1992



@Amulet @Awan68
Ironically in Iran, there is less faith. Of the Iranians that I have had the pleasure to meet, most of them acted like non Muslims save their names. It seems many do not like the Mullah's who rule in Iran.

He should stop acting like god father of Pakistani Shia and start using Iranians for its proxy wars.
He should also be more concerned with improving the lot of Sunnis of Iran than the Shias of Pakistan.

We have been commanded to always take the middle path. moderation



I am not fooling anyone.
Islam and Democracy are totally compatible. Why are you so extremist that you cannot even respect other peoples opinion?



find yourself another hobby.
Mosadeq agrees
Except that the Lord God is Sovereign not the People or Parliament or State. That is one difference between the commonly accepted notion of today's democracy and Islam.
 
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Pakistanis' faith is deeper than that of many other Muslim countries: Ayatollah Khamenei

8557.jpg

I believe that the faith of the Pakistani people is deeper than that of many other Muslim countries, or perhaps better say almost all other Muslim countries; I can argue on that.
Matters regarding Pakistan are by no means separated from Muslims, in general, and Islamic goals and issues. There has always been a special relation between the Iranian nation and the Pakistani nation; God willing this relationship will grow stronger, day by day. In fact, the Pakistani nation and their sincere Islamic country men have always been a source of support for our nation, when it comes to matters surrounding the Revolution; it has been so, since the early days after the Revolution; it continues to be so and it will keep going - God willing.

In Pakistan, the enemies of Islam have great influence. There are roots of colonialism, left since British colonization of the nation, which was later transferred to the U.S. and other agents among those arrogant powers. Hence, although the Islamic movement in Pakistan is in full blossom and delight, it faces complicated problems too; and you are feeling the dilemmas there. We observe those dilemmas from a far, while you feel it within your own flesh and bones.

We believe the basis behind these measures are carried out is to sow discord, under the slogan of “divide and conquer” upon which the British acted, since the first day of stepping onto the peninsula.

Shias and Sunnis have always lived together in peace on this Peninsula; and it has been the same for Pakistan. They are putting Shias under pressure, by classifying them as a minority. You can feel this pressure in Pakistan. Pakistanis have also had martyrs, for the same reason: the late martyr Aqa Seyyed Arif, was a prominent martyr of a conspiracy created by the enemies.

Therefore, it is necessary to pay attention to two fundamental measures:

Firstly, strengthening the Shias: the 25 percent of Shias who live in Pakistan should unite, as much as possible. Regardless if the unity is not achieved at 100 percent, unity at 100 percent should be the target. If presumably the 100 percent goal is not achieved -because some remain indifferent or stay away from it- the totality of the Shias should stay together. They should establish a bond that would strengthen them: so they may move with the movement, take action and have an identical direction; there should be no discord among Shias themselves. Different groups with different names should not stand out. "Discord among Shias can bring about much harm"; I stressed this point on a trip to Pakistan, 6-7 years ago, to the late Aqa Seyyed Arif, the late Aqa Seyyed Safdar, along with other scholars who were present; and on every visit they made to Iran, I reminded them of this point. Thus, Shias must make an attempt to establish a strong and solid entity, so that they cannot be gobbled up by the enemy.

Secondly, this single and united entity should commit themselves towards establishing more relations with non-Shia groups, except for those who are determined to practice animosity, like Wahabbi groups who show animosity towards Sunnis as well. If, for one day, we seek refuge in God, and Shi’ism does not exist any longer nor is there a Shia entity, they (Wahabbi) will sow discord among Sunnis; because, those who direct them fear the unity of Muslims. Of course, the ordinary members of these takfiri groups may not realize what they are doing; they are ignorant and malevolent people, who only do evil; but those who direct them (even if there was no Shia) would sow discord among non-Shias too! This is why in Pakistan, with a population of hundred million believing Muslims, they do not allow the Islamic potency to grow.

I believe that the faith of the Pakistani people is deeper than that of many other Muslim countries, or perhaps better say almost all other Muslim countries; I can argue on that. Despite the British rule over Pakistan, for many years, and all those areas, which were once under the control of the British (who tried their best to secularize them): what remains, after so much pressure there, is witnessed in Pakistan; the consolidated Islamic belief with Islamic enthusiasm and passion.

If all the efforts made by the British in Pakistan were carried out in a different country, possibly, it could be argued that there would be no trace of Islam left there.

It is clear that the people of Pakistan are stronger, in their belief, due to their spiritual and mental complexion; and the enemy knows that. The psychology of the people is known and controlled by the enemy. The enemy wants to perish this strong faith by any means possible; that is why they make their attempts to cause discord. In my opinion, if a strong coordinated effort is made, then future relations with all non-Wahhabi groups can be established; I assume, the groups of brothers in various Shia communities (in Pakistan), can make this all-embracing and strong effort together.

The Almighty God and the Prophet have promised us that if we move on the path of God, those with Satan will practice animosity towards us: we should embrace this animosity; If efforts and following up on tasks are carried out, God willing, victory will be achieved in the face of truth.


Ayatollah Khamenei's statements made during a gathering with a group of Pakistani Shias; January 06, 1992



@Amulet @Awan68
I hope this means a new era of brotherly bilateral relation between Pakistan and Iran specially on issues of regional strategic depth..
 
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It seems there is a shortage for cannon fodders now towards the expansion of Persian empire in ME in guise of shiaism.

Has the state of Pakistan put its foot down on the recruitment from Parachinar?
 
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Iranians were recruiting Pakistani Shia's from parachinar to die for them in middle East conflict. There were training centers run by iranian agents. This was stamped by Pakistani law enforcement agencies.

I seems the Iranian Mullahs are feeling the pinch now, with no fresh cannon fooders available for their wars.
 
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Iranians were recruiting Pakistani Shia's from parachinar to die for them in middle East conflict. There were training centers run by iranian agents. This was stamped by Pakistani law enforcement agencies.
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Do You mean the volunteer shrine defenders?

centers run by iranian agents
That's a lie, we have no agents in Pakistan
 
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