Pakistanis' faith is deeper than that of many other Muslim countries: Ayatollah Khamenei

[Well.wisher]

Why you wearing a tyre?
It consists of unhealthy chemicals



Everything has an end.
That's what the point is.
The ultimate reality Death

User @Muhamed told me to get baseerat so i got a tire on my head like his ayatollahs so he may not think me as a baseerat less person .

 

[Muhammed45]

Please talk in a simple language we cannot understand your conversation , my tire is moving up and down and shaking as baseerat there got mixed reading this all .

يُقَلِّبُ اللَّهُ اللَّيْلَ وَ النَّهارَ إِنَّ في ذلِکَ لَعِبْرَةً لِأُولِي الْأَبْصارِ44.
That word is a Quranic word, so please stop making fun with it

 

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Pakistanis' faith is deeper than that of many other Muslim countries: Ayatollah Khamenei

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I believe that the faith of the Pakistani people is deeper than that of many other Muslim countries, or perhaps better say almost all other Muslim countries; I can argue on that.
Matters regarding Pakistan are by no means separated from Muslims, in general, and Islamic goals and issues. There has always been a special relation between the Iranian nation and the Pakistani nation; God willing this relationship will grow stronger, day by day. In fact, the Pakistani nation and their sincere Islamic country men have always been a source of support for our nation, when it comes to matters surrounding the Revolution; it has been so, since the early days after the Revolution; it continues to be so and it will keep going - God willing.

In Pakistan, the enemies of Islam have great influence. There are roots of colonialism, left since British colonization of the nation, which was later transferred to the U.S. and other agents among those arrogant powers. Hence, although the Islamic movement in Pakistan is in full blossom and delight, it faces complicated problems too; and you are feeling the dilemmas there. We observe those dilemmas from a far, while you feel it within your own flesh and bones.

We believe the basis behind these measures are carried out is to sow discord, under the slogan of “divide and conquer” upon which the British acted, since the first day of stepping onto the peninsula.

Shias and Sunnis have always lived together in peace on this Peninsula; and it has been the same for Pakistan. They are putting Shias under pressure, by classifying them as a minority. You can feel this pressure in Pakistan. Pakistanis have also had martyrs, for the same reason: the late martyr Aqa Seyyed Arif, was a prominent martyr of a conspiracy created by the enemies.

Therefore, it is necessary to pay attention to two fundamental measures:

Firstly, strengthening the Shias: the 25 percent of Shias who live in Pakistan should unite, as much as possible. Regardless if the unity is not achieved at 100 percent, unity at 100 percent should be the target. If presumably the 100 percent goal is not achieved -because some remain indifferent or stay away from it- the totality of the Shias should stay together. They should establish a bond that would strengthen them: so they may move with the movement, take action and have an identical direction; there should be no discord among Shias themselves. Different groups with different names should not stand out. "Discord among Shias can bring about much harm"; I stressed this point on a trip to Pakistan, 6-7 years ago, to the late Aqa Seyyed Arif, the late Aqa Seyyed Safdar, along with other scholars who were present; and on every visit they made to Iran, I reminded them of this point. Thus, Shias must make an attempt to establish a strong and solid entity, so that they cannot be gobbled up by the enemy.

Secondly, this single and united entity should commit themselves towards establishing more relations with non-Shia groups, except for those who are determined to practice animosity, like Wahabbi groups who show animosity towards Sunnis as well. If, for one day, we seek refuge in God, and Shi’ism does not exist any longer nor is there a Shia entity, they (Wahabbi) will sow discord among Sunnis; because, those who direct them fear the unity of Muslims. Of course, the ordinary members of these takfiri groups may not realize what they are doing; they are ignorant and malevolent people, who only do evil; but those who direct them (even if there was no Shia) would sow discord among non-Shias too! This is why in Pakistan, with a population of hundred million believing Muslims, they do not allow the Islamic potency to grow.

I believe that the faith of the Pakistani people is deeper than that of many other Muslim countries, or perhaps better say almost all other Muslim countries; I can argue on that. Despite the British rule over Pakistan, for many years, and all those areas, which were once under the control of the British (who tried their best to secularize them): what remains, after so much pressure there, is witnessed in Pakistan; the consolidated Islamic belief with Islamic enthusiasm and passion.

If all the efforts made by the British in Pakistan were carried out in a different country, possibly, it could be argued that there would be no trace of Islam left there.

It is clear that the people of Pakistan are stronger, in their belief, due to their spiritual and mental complexion; and the enemy knows that. The psychology of the people is known and controlled by the enemy. The enemy wants to perish this strong faith by any means possible; that is why they make their attempts to cause discord. In my opinion, if a strong coordinated effort is made, then future relations with all non-Wahhabi groups can be established; I assume, the groups of brothers in various Shia communities (in Pakistan), can make this all-embracing and strong effort together.

The Almighty God and the Prophet have promised us that if we move on the path of God, those with Satan will practice animosity towards us: we should embrace this animosity; If efforts and following up on tasks are carried out, God willing, victory will be achieved in the face of truth.


Ayatollah Khamenei's statements made during a gathering with a group of Pakistani Shias; January 06, 1992



@Amulet @Awan68

I think what he means is that the pakistani shia are more likely to kick their boots and kiss the Iranian Mullah behinds.

I think it's more to do with the Pakistani trait of personality worship (I.e blind support).

This isn't just an exclusive trait of the Pakistani shia... rather it's across the spectrum.. Even Pakistani Sunnis who are more likely to worship the Saudis if they are Wahabbi inclined... or their own Sheiks or Saints if they are Sufi inclined... and likewise their political leaders if they are corrupt inclined..

That's probably why we also make such good solders... looking at it from a glass half full point of view.

Few.... Like me ... are free thinkers.

 

[El Sidd]

Can a non-believer become a Khalifa of Muslim country?

Can a non-Muslim become the custodian of Mecca?

Can a non-Muslim become a judge of a Shariah court?

No! And I assume that is your answer too. Because Islam is a religion and does not allow non-adherents those rights.





I'm making a comparison here. Buddhism is probably the least organized of any religion.

A religion is considered organized when it's adherents are expected to follow specific guidelines.

For example, a Muslim cannot give partners to Allah, which is considered the biggest sin of Islam. Thus making Islam an organized religion.

Also, you are wrong about Christianity because anyone can become a Christian. Judaism is less flexible in this regard.

Yes non Muslims cannot hold these offices by the decision of majority who have decided not to let them.

This has practical reasons not theological.

I don't know if Jesus preached to gentiles when Bible before it's refinement by humans calls them names.

Monotheism vs polytheism is a debate not for me. It's not natural and thus not my concern.

User @Muhamed told me to get baseerat so i got a tire on my head like his ayatollahs so he may not think me as a baseerat less person .

Did it help?

يُقَلِّبُ اللَّهُ اللَّيْلَ وَ النَّهارَ إِنَّ في ذلِکَ لَعِبْرَةً لِأُولِي الْأَبْصارِ44.
That word is a Quranic word, so please stop making fun with it

I thought it was Arabic

 

[Well.wisher]

يُقَلِّبُ اللَّهُ اللَّيْلَ وَ النَّهارَ إِنَّ في ذلِکَ لَعِبْرَةً لِأُولِي الْأَبْصارِ44.
That word is a Quranic word, so please stop making fun with it

يُقَلِّبُ اللَّهُ اللَّيْلَ وَ النَّهارَ إِنَّ في ذلِکَ لَعِبْرَةً لِأُولِي الْأَبْصارِ44.
That word is a Quranic word, so please stop making fun with it

Astaghfirullah . Don't involve quran here .
I took the baseerat as a general wordly knowledge .

 

[drmeson]

pakistanis in this thread are pissed that why our old man praised pakistanis for their faith 25 year ago ??? does that make sense to anyone ?

 

[Well.wisher]

Yes non Muslims cannot hold these offices by the decision of majority who have decided not to let them.

This has practical reasons not theological.

I don't know if Jesus preached to gentiles when Bible before it's refinement by humans calls them names.

Monotheism vs polytheism is a debate not for me. It's not natural and thus not my conce


Did it help?

ic

Yes . It's still in progress ...

 

[El Sidd]

I think what he means is that the pakistani shia are more likely to kick their boots and kiss the Iranian Mullah behinds.

I think it's more to do with the Pakistani trait of personality worship (I.e blind support).

This isn't just an exclusive trait of the Pakistani shia... rather it's across the spectrum.. Even Pakistani Sunnis who are more likely to worship the Saudis if they are Wahabbi inclined... or their own Sheiks or Saints if they are Sufi inclined... and likewise their political leaders if they are corrupt inclined..

That's probably why we also make such good solders... looking at it from a glass half full point of view.

Few.... Like me ... are free thinkers.

And some like me see them as powerful opportunists who now sit in a prime position to rule the known Muslim world.

So there is another half full half empty thing

Lol

Yes . I'm still in progress ...

Maybe you have to tilt it westwards to trigger the metaphysical energy flow.

Disney printed a manual for that too

 

[El Sidd]

pakistanis in this thread are pissed that why our old man praised pakistanis for their faith 25 year ago ??? does that make sense to anyone ?

Lol

No man.

We are just tired of his games.

Mr. Obvious is lets say 1992 hmmm 1947.. some 45 years too late to realise that.

Ask the Shah. He cleverly understood that long time ago

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The biggest lie ever invented [or close to] is the idea that sovereignty can invested in god. It can't for the simple reason that we have no way of recieving/interacting with god. Therefore what is called as investment of sovereignty in god amounts to sovereignty being invested in persons who act on self appointment as gods regents. What you end up with is bunch of people claiming they act on behalf of god. I have no idea what can be a bigger fraud then this. At least a regent is appointed by a entity to represent it. In this case there is no way god has appointed these self declared regents. They have.

This a recipe for disaster as the self declared regents can do anything they think and declare their wishes as "god wishes". That is releasing tyranny and the jouney to purgatory.

Investment of sovereignty in god > Investment in bunch of people claming to act on behalf of god.

 

[El Sidd]

So in your opinion if non-Muslims became the majority can they then elect to become Khalifa?

Or if large segments of Muslims decided to reform Islam and support a non-Muslim to become custodian of Mecca?



Well then why are you making the claim that Islam (a religion) is compatible with democracy?

Your entire argument has a theological basis.

Yes. Democracy is not to be interchanged with idealism.

And yes if non Muslims are in number they can choose their ways to deal with muslims their way.

For e.g. a muslim living in America is religiously bound to follow their Constitution.

 

[Muhammed45]

pakistanis in this thread are pissed that why our old man praised pakistanis for their faith 25 year ago ??? does that make sense to anyone ?

Well, i had seen many insults to Pakistanis in this forum from some of my countrymen, so i felt they need a reminder! and i God damn posted in our own section
They are not forced to believe or deny or .... They can read and move on

That's the defenition of Ummah, i have seen similar praises from our mullahs about Sunni Hashemites in Arabian peninsula. They are famous about their Iman and their hard work in Islamic issues. No boundaries for our leader

 

[drmeson]

Lol

No man.

We are just tired of his games.

Mr. Obvious is lets say 1992 hmmm 1947.. some 45 years too late to realise that.

Ask the Shah. He cleverly understood that long time ago

Our games work though, you gotta give the credit where its due. We rafidis/Mutah-farsis are clever kafirs, not just regular ones.

 

[El Sidd]

The biggest lie ever invented [or close to] is the idea that sovereignty can invested in god. It can't for the simple reason that we have no way of recieving/interacting with god. Therefore what is called as investment of sovereignty in god amounts to sovereignty being invested in persons who act on self appointment as gods regents. What you end up with is bunch of people claiming they act on behalf of god. I have no idea what can be a bigger fraud then this. At least a regent is appointed by a entity to represent it. In this case there is no way god has appointed these self declared regents. They have.

This a recipe for disaster as the self declared regents can do anything they think and declare their wishes as "god wishes". That is releasing tyranny and the jouney to purgatory.

Well that's why having it as part of state makes sovereignty belongs to god instead invested in God through a person.

Ending the dogma by making it a neutral entity.

Or do you see it otherwise?

 

[drmeson]

Well, i had seen many insults to Pakistanis in this forum from some of my countrymen, so i felt they need a reminder! and i God damn posted in our own section
They are not forced to believe or deny or .... They can read and move on

That's the defenition of Ummah, i have seen similar praises from our mullahs about Sunni Hashemites in Arabian peninsula. They are famous about their Iman and their hard work in Islamic issues. No boundaries for our leader

1) There is no Ummah

2) Ummah is a myth