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Sunday, 07 Feb, 2010

QUETTA: If Afghan Taliban fighters and their top leaders are roaming around this remote part of Pakistan as the US alleges, the police chief here says he hasn't seen them.


''Point them out to me,'' Capital City Police Officer Abid Hussain Notkani says. ''I will arrest them.''


Interviews with residents and officials in and around Quetta, a dusty frontier city of 1.2 million, reveal widespread skepticism that Pakistan's vast Balochistan province harbors Afghan Taliban commander Mullah Omar, his aides or their foot soldiers.


It's a disconnect that does not bode well for Washington-Islamabad relations – and America's already tattered reputation among Pakistanis – as Balochistan grows in strategic importance for the United States.


The US is pouring in thousands of additional troops across the border in southern Afghanistan, a surge that could make Balochistan an alluring refuge and recruiting ground for the Taliban. Balochistan also is home to one of the two main border crossings used to ferry supplies to US and NATO forces – a route that has come under attack.


The region also could figure prominently in another plan gaining support in the US – reaching out to Omar and his aides in the so-called ''Quetta Shura'' – or governing council – to negotiate peace.


Washington is so convinced that Afghan Taliban traverse this province that it has debated firing missiles in the area, a move that would certainly infuriate residents. The US hasn't helped its case, offering virtually no public proof to back its allegations that Omar and his aides operate here.


Pakistan denies Balochistan is a Taliban haven, perhaps because it wants to avoid further unrest in a province already gripped by separatist sentiments. It also may be trying to maintain cordial relations with the Taliban, in case the US abandons Afghanistan and the militants return to power there.


Balochistan is a rugged region with a lengthy and porous border with Afghanistan and Iran. Geographically, it is Pakistan's largest province, covering 44 per cent of the country. It is also the most sparsely populated, with some 6.5 million people. A driver can go for hours without seeing anyone else.


When the US invaded Afghanistan in 2001, many Taliban fled to Balochistan, finding cover among their fellow ethnic Pashtuns, a group that lives on both sides of the border. Communities of Afghan refugees have also lived in Baluchistan for decades.


''We wouldn't recognise them,'' said Ahmadullah Noorzai, 38, a shawl merchant in Quetta. ''How could we? I have a beard. Am I Taliban?''


A long-running insurgency by Balochis – ethnically distinct from Pashtuns – feeds off resentment against the central government, which they say exploits the resource-rich region but leaves them to wallow in poverty. That insurgency is not believed to be linked to the Taliban, but it has made Pakistan especially sensitive about keeping control of the province.


A US counterterrorism official told The Associated Press that Afghan Taliban leaders use Quetta as a base to plan attacks in Afghanistan. He requested anonymity, because he was not authorized to discuss intelligence publicly, and declined to provide evidence to back his assertions.


Candace Putnam, the head of the US consulate in the northwest Pakistani city of Peshawar, told local journalists in December last year that al-Qaeda leaders also use Quetta as a base.


If the Taliban are in Balochistan, they keep a low profile.


Pakistani officials say there are no signs of convoys ferrying fighters across the border, no training camps, not even much Taliban propaganda. Unlike Pakistan's northwest, where the army is actively battling militants, any Taliban groups in Balochistan avoid contacting the media.


Quetta, the provincial capital, lies some 60 miles (100 kilometers) from the border. It has a heavy military and intelligence presence, and a reporter's every move is tracked. In communities beyond Quetta, residents said they were not aware of Taliban fighters in their midst, though some reported seeing them four or five years ago.


''There might be Taliban coming and going back, but they have not created any problems for our local administration,'' said Mohammad Akbar, 39, a shopkeeper in the town of Pishin, some two hours drive from Quetta.


US missiles routinely target militants in Pakistan's tribal regions in the northwest in attacks that are deplored by many Pakistanis. Nearly all those interviewed in Balochistan said expanding US missile strikes to their province would promote sympathy for the Taliban.


''If such missile attacks happened, they would be harmful not only to our people, but for America as well,'' said Abdul Qayyum, 35, a pharmacy owner in Chaman, a border town where many supply trucks headed for US and NATO forces cross.


Despite the denials of any Afghan Taliban presence, a Pakistani intelligence official in Islamabad said that the CIA and Pakistani counterparts carried out 60 joint raids aimed at militants in Balochistan over the past few months. –AP
 
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Maybe the Police Chief Notkani didn't get the word from your defense minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar that they'd been destroyed-

Quetta Shura No Longer Poses A Threat-DAWN Dec. 9, 2009

EDIT: A link that worked one moment has also disappeared...in the blink of an eye. Hmmm...

Seems to be working again. Inexplicable...like so much else.

Fascinating to listen to the categorical denials of the Quetta Shura's existence for years only to awake one morning and read that they'd magically appeared and been destroyed in the blink of an eye.

As we say in America-If you believe that, I've some ocean-front property in New Mexico I'd like to sell to you.:lol:

Of course, I suspect the empty lands to the north between Quetta and Kandahar are outside of Police Chief Notkani's jurisdiction. If he were to look there, though, he might find this man-

America's New Nightmare-NEWSWEEK July 25, 2009

Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar. Omar is a figurehead and nicely sequestered in Karachi or some other equally comfortable locale. Baradar, OTOH, works the tiny villages and mosques in the open spaces north of Quetta towards the border and stays on the move.

Of course, given Lt. General Talat Masood's interesting admission in a very recent article written for the Jamestown Foundation-

Pakistan's Military Examines Its Options In N. Waziristan-Jamestown Foundation Feb. 4, 2010

"Islamabad does not want to antagonize the Afghan Taliban and other militant groups..."

The words of a leading strategic voice of your military right there.

Should America expect anything different in Balochistan? Of course not. So long as the Quetta Shura doesn't rock the boat, neither shall the P.A. as it's long understood that Omar's boys, along with Haqqani, Hekmatyar, and even your own citizens like Maulvi Nazir and Hafez Gul Bahadur represent a sharpened spear to be used against the Afghan government the day ISAF departs.

America? Dog chases tail in an act of political lunacy and plays nice-nice with the Pakistani army to assure supplies to fight against the minions of...the Pakistani army. Yup. Go figure. I sure as hell can't except to suggest that we hold out a forelorn hope that one day Pakistan will realize the fire with which it plays by foisting upon the afghan people that which it's rejected for themselves in SWAT, Buner and elsewhere despite the overwhelming evidence from the past of what, exactly, that means in untold misery to Afghans who've been there and done that.

Welcome to the board.

Thanks.:usflag:
 
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Pakistan denies Balochistan is a Taliban haven, perhaps because it wants to avoid further unrest in a province already gripped by separatist sentiments. It also may be trying to maintain cordial relations with the Taliban, in case the US abandons Afghanistan and the militants return to power there.
or perhaps because ...
The US hasn't helped its case, offering virtually no public proof to back its allegations that Omar and his aides operate here
 
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Quetta Shura No Longer Poses A Threat-DAWN Dec. 9, 2009
And no word since on the issue either.

In an exclusive interview with DawnNews, Defence Minister, Ahmad Mukhtar said security forces have taken on the Quetta shura and have damaged it to such an extent that it no longer poses any threat.

All we have from that article is a blurb of the DM's comment and no indication of whether the interviewer sought to seek clarification on whether the DM spoke correctly on a matter of such import.

The interview coincided with the South Waziristan Operations, and I'll maintain (pending clarifications supporting the view expressed by the Defence Minister) that he was referring to the TTP.

I am unaware of any military operations in Quetta recently, as I am sure are the residents quoted in the original article.
 
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"And no word since on the issue either."

The article stands on its own merits, I believe. U.S. officials went to great pains to elaborate and clarify SecDef Gates' comments about Blackwater while in Pakistan recently.

I've seen nothing from your MoD about this story to clarify Mukhtar's views from your officials. Have you? If so, could you provide the link please?

"The interview coincided with the South Waziristan Operations, I'll maintain (pending clarifications supporting the view expressed by the Defence Minister) that he was referring to the TTP."

Quetta's location in Balochistan on a map is clear and I doubt the defense minister needs reminding which region that would NOT include, i.e. S. Waziristan. Further the term "Quetta Shura" is long synonomous with the afghan taliban and has never been used to describe the TTP.

You hold to an odd position given your rationales.

Thanks.:usflag:
 
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Whats quetta shurqa?i live in quetta and dont know about that yes there are fudging taliban who are operating in waziristan from kuchlak ara and FC and police are raidng and arresting there @SSES from to time.And i think as my dads a comandant inF.C.B that there network is pretty much f,,,ed up and they are no longer active.
So these are just more speculations to pu pressure on Pakistan to DO-MORE while NATO is sitting on there arses in afghanistan scared shytless the operations conducted by Pakistan and the ops conducted by NATO speak volumes.
 
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"And no word since on the issue either."

The article stands on its own merits, I believe. U.S. officials went to great pains to elaborate and clarify SecDef Gates' comments about Blackwater while in Pakistan recently.

I've seen nothing from your MoD about this story to clarify Mukhtar's views from your officials. Have you? If so, could you provide the link please?

"The interview coincided with the South Waziristan Operations, I'll maintain (pending clarifications supporting the view expressed by the Defence Minister) that he was referring to the TTP."

Quetta's location in Balochistan on a map is clear and I doubt the defense minister needs reminding which region that would NOT include, i.e. S. Waziristan. Further the term "Quetta Shura" is long synonomous with the afghan taliban and has never been used to describe the TTP.

You hold to an odd position given your rationales.

Thanks.:usflag:

Here are some more blurbs from that interview - Mukhtar has no clue as to what he is saying:

QUETTA (Online) - The government has admitted the existence of Afghan Taliban’s Quetta Shura for the first time, and says it has taken them on.

In an exclusive interview with a private TV channel, Federal Defence Minister Ahmad Mukhtar said the security forces have taken on the Quetta Shura and have damaged it to such an extent that it no longer poses any threat.

When asked about any arrest, he said: “I am sure the Pakistan army is on job and trying to locate those who are enemies of Pakistan. We have finished them so that they don’t fight with us and create problem for us,” he said.

My Comments: Again a reference to a threat Pakistan faces, not NATO, which would indicate the TTP, not the alleged Quetta Shura

Responding to another question about allegation of US regarding existence of Taliban Shura in Quetta, he said: “We have not any real reason not to believe that.”

MY Comments: What does he mean there? Didn't he just 'admit' that the Quetta Shura was destroyed? When the question is posed here again he responds with a double negative which could mean anything, but is far from a categorical statement on the existence of the Shura.

A recent report by General Stanley McChrystal, the top US commander in Afghanistan, alleged that the top Taliban leadership was in Quetta and that they were masterminding attacks on international forces in Afghanistan.

However, until this admission by the Defence Minister the government has so far denied the existence of any Taliban leadership or the Quetta Shura in Balochistan’s capital.

Quetta Shura exists: Mukhtar | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online

Conclusions, the guy is an imbecile who became defence minister solely by virtue of being a lackey of Zardari's, and has no clue as to what he is saying.

And from the Prime Minister himself:

"Talking to the US delegation, led by Senator Carl Levin, chairman of Armed Services Committee, at the Prime Minister House, Gilani refuted the misperceptions about the existence of the Quetta Shura or the Afghan Taliban leadership in Pakistan."
Gilani deplores US doubts over Pak sincerity
 
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I think he was drunk when he gave the interview. He probably doesn't even know what the quetta shura is.
 
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