Pakistani visas for Bangladeshis have reduced over the years.

[El Sidd]

Rohingyas are former

Pakistanis

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Rohingyas are former Bengalis/Bangladeshis. So you should talk to Bangladesh not 58 Muslim countries. Pakistan had the largest refugees from Myanmar of Rohingyas for decades, until recently. If a poor and far away country like Pakistan can absorb 800k of Bengali Rohingyas, Bangladesh who is a Supa Pawa (according to banglis) sure be able to.

Bangladeshis should stop day dreaming. Some Bangladeshis say that they can conquer Myanmar in 3 hours and repatriate the rohingya easily in their homeland. They think that the whole world is a video game and they are playing pubg.

Personally I don't support the Burmese government and their aritrocities however bangladeshis talk like as if resetting the rohingya in Myanmar is a piece of cake. However in reality it is a very lengthy process which may take years.

Myanmar on the other hand is not a very powerful country but Bangladesh will have tough time fighting them even there are chances that Bangladesh will face severe casualties if they fight against Myanmar.

Bangladesh instead of day dreaming should focus on developing their army, improving their diplomacy and gathering allies which may strengthen their position on the rohingya refugees.

Bangladeshis are too emotional and sentimental in nature. It's time they become more practical than day dreaming. You have to be cunning to be a player In international politics and unnecessary emotions does not work here.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

There were few thousands in 80s. Now everyone whoever went just like to come back. Pakistan is lagging behind Bangladesh in every dimension and smaller economy as well in terms of nominal gdp with 25% more population. 3 million is nothing but a delusion.

Dont be a bhangi;

An aggressive drive by the Pakistani government to track and block fake identity cards -- an anti-terrorism move aimed at deterring Afghan nationals from settling in the country -- has brought yet more troubles for Bangladeshis.

Most of the estimated 3 million Bangladeshis in Pakistan arrived in the 1980s and settled in ghettos across Karachi. A majority acquired Pakistani identity cards and passports illegally, claiming that they had settled in West Pakistan (now Pakistan) before the creation of Bangladesh.

"Now the officials want proof of family trees, asking us for evidence that our parents were settled in West Pakistan before the 1971 war started," said Momin Mia, a fruit juice vendor who works in Gulistan-e-Jauhar, a middle-class neighborhood of Karachi. "I don't want to go through the trouble anymore. I just want to go back to Bangladesh," he said, adding that the police had extorted money from him.

Farooq said that such discrimination was rampant in Karachi. "We have whole ghettos full of illegal Bangladeshis in the city and the government knows that. But these policemen hound them just to make a quick buck."

 

[American Pakistani]

Bangladeshis should stop day dreaming. Some Bangladeshis say that they can conquer Myanmar in 3 hours and repatriate the rohingya easily in their homeland. They think that the whole world is a video game and they are playing pubg.

Personally I don't support the Burmese government and their aritrocities however bangladeshis talk like as if resetting the rohingya in Myanmar is a piece of cake. However in reality it is a very lengthy process which may take years.

Myanmar on the other hand is not a very powerful country but Bangladesh will have tough time fighting them even there are chances that Bangladesh will face severe casualties if they fight against Myanmar.

Bangladesh instead of day dreaming should focus on developing their army, improving their diplomacy and gathering allies which may strengthen their position on the rohingya refugees.

Bangladeshis are too emotional and sentimental in nature. It's time they become more practical than day dreaming. You have to be cunning to be a player In international politics and unnecessary emotions does not work here.

Well stats says otherwise. Myanmar stands at 35th powerful while Bangladesh is 58th globally. So there is no match, plus China is there to back Myanmar while India will never involve itself in fight against Myanmar to save Bengali Rohingyas. India already hates Bengali Muslims invasion of Assam and North East. So Myanmar has an easy win right there.

Bangladeshis surely are some emotional folks, they claim their passport get dirty if they travel to poor Pakistan but they still have Pakistani embassy in Bangladesh. After all Bangladesh is a Supa pawa and can easily close Pakistani embassy and take Pakistani officials as hostage.

Dont be a bhangi;

An aggressive drive by the Pakistani government to track and block fake identity cards -- an anti-terrorism move aimed at deterring Afghan nationals from settling in the country -- has brought yet more troubles for Bangladeshis.

Most of the estimated 3 million Bangladeshis in Pakistan arrived in the 1980s and settled in ghettos across Karachi. A majority acquired Pakistani identity cards and passports illegally, claiming that they had settled in West Pakistan (now Pakistan) before the creation of Bangladesh.

"Now the officials want proof of family trees, asking us for evidence that our parents were settled in West Pakistan before the 1971 war started," said Momin Mia, a fruit juice vendor who works in Gulistan-e-Jauhar, a middle-class neighborhood of Karachi. "I don't want to go through the trouble anymore. I just want to go back to Bangladesh," he said, adding that the police had extorted money from him.

Farooq said that such discrimination was rampant in Karachi. "We have whole ghettos full of illegal Bangladeshis in the city and the government knows that. But these policemen hound them just to make a quick buck."

I see most of these people just like their govt are pathalogical liers. They believe in Nazi policy of speaking lie thousand times will eventually give an illusion of truth. Their founders did that, their current govt does that and so do they.

Pakistanis

I thought you were @Retired Troll? @El Sidd told us.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Well stats says otherwise. Myanmar stands at 35th powerful while Bangladesh is 58th globally. So there is no match, plus China is there to back Myanmar while India will never involve itself in fight against Myanmar to save Bengali Rohingyas. India already hates Bengali Muslims invasion of Assam and North East. So Myanmar has an easy win right there.

Bangladeshis surely are some emotional folks, they claim their passport get dirty if they travel to poor Pakistan but they still have Pakistani embassy in Bangladesh. After all Bangladesh is a Supa pawa and can easily close Pakistani embassy and take Pakistani officials as hostage.

Tbh Bangladesh is making progress but Bangladeshis have a tendency to exaggerate their development. It may be true that to some extent Bangladesh is better than Pakistan but I personally know Bangladeshis who told me that Bangladesh will become like Japan by 2025. The issue is that Bangladeshis lack critical thinking and reasoning and they talk with emotions not with facts.

 

[El Sidd]

I thought you were @Retired Troll? @El Sidd told us.

Sorry i take it back. Do not tell El Sidd

 

[American Pakistani]

Tbh Bangladesh is making progress but Bangladeshis have a tendency to exaggerate their development. It may be true that to some extent Bangladesh is better than Pakistan but I personally know Bangladeshis who told me that Bangladesh will become like Japan by 2025. The issue is that Bangladeshis lack critical thinking and reasoning and they talk with emotions not with facts.

At least they mentioned Japan to you. I see many who claim they are ahead of US, EU, China, Israel and will lead the world in 4th industrial revolution. I always thought they were Supa pawa. Now let's get back to topic.

 

[monitor]

Travelers say that many countries refuse visa application if there is a visa in Pakistan on passport

For this reason I wont apply for Pakistani Visa before i can visit most of the countries of the world .

 

[Khan_21]

Actually once you have a travel history to Pakistan, no other country will be willing to give you visa. There were a lot of question had to be answered before securing a western country visa if you have a seal from PK or AF. So most of the time people avoid visiting Pakistan unless extremely necessary and official visit.



US visa is completely offlimit for Bangladeshis once you visit PK, Iran, AF .

What a load of crap. US issues double the amount of visas to Pakistani's than Bangladesh. Our visa approval rate for a US visa is also much better . So how come a Pakistani visa will raise questions for them when US officials give out more visas to us?.

 

[American Pakistani]

What a load of crap. US issues double the amount of visas to Pakistani's than Bangladesh. Our visa approval rate for a US visa is also much better . So how come a Pakistani visa will raise questions for them when US officials give out more visas to us?.

This fits perfect on that bangli babu.

 

[Bengal71]

I live in Karachi and you wont find a single bihari without Pakistani documents.
But you will find hundreds of thousands of bangladeshis who kept coming till the 90s.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1414503


writerAPRIL 07, 2016 12:00 JST

A new generation of Bangladeshi children are growing up in ghettos in Pakistan. (Photo by Ammar Shahbazi)
KARACHI, Pakistan When Kobir Ali arrived in Karachi in 1985, he was an enthusiastic teenager, all set to begin a dream life away from grinding poverty in his native Bangladesh. "I worked as a domestic servant for the first few years here and managed to send money to buy land in Feni, my hometown," he said. "Pakistan was a different country back then."

After 31 years, Ali wants to go home now, even as throngs of other desperate Bangladeshis risk their lives trying to get to Europe, Australia and other developed countries.

Ali worked as a tailor for a textile factory for most of his adult life, but said he had not been able to save enough to send money to his parents in Bangladesh over the last few years. "There is no point in living here. I am becoming poorer every day," he said. He now works from home, making women's clothes.

Kobir Ali says he is ready to leave his home in Moosa Colony, a Bengali ghetto in Karachi, to return to Bangladesh, which he left in 1985. (Photo by Ammar Shahbazi)
WANTING MORE Thousands of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants who arrived in Pakistan in the 1980s are in the same boat as Ali. Then, the Pakistani economy was growing steadily, especially the industrial sector, while Bangladesh was battling extreme poverty.

Now these immigrants say they are trapped by the falling value of the Pakistani rupee against the Bangladeshi taka, tightening immigration laws in Pakistan and an ongoing diplomatic spat between the two countries.

Given a choice, most of these immigrants would prefer to go to Europe, if necessary using human traffickers to travel via Iran and Turkey. Their aim? To earn wages in stronger currencies in developed countries so they can rebuild their lives. But Europe is not an option for many because of the costs and risks involved.

Many Bangladeshis in Pakistan say traffickers have raised their "handling charges" after some European countries began accepting immigrants from the Middle East. The higher costs may also reflect the greater risks run by traffickers because of beefed-up Pakistani security in coastal areas of Baluchistan, on the main route to Iran, following the signing of a China-Pakistan Economic Corridor pact last year.

Bangladeshi immigrants are also keen on the Middle East. But opportunities to go there are few and far between. As a result, Bangladesh's recent and relative prosperity is emerging as the only realistic emigration option.

Bangladesh's Awami League government, led by Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, has overseen a doubling of exports since it came into power in 2009, despite sporadic political tensions. The textile sector earned 90% of export revenues over that period.

Conversely, Pakistan's growth has slowed, plagued by an energy crisis and the seemingly endless war on terror. The government has had to rely heavily on international financial bailouts, increasing its debt burden. The economy has grown about 3% a year on average since 2009.

"Many factors are responsible for Pakistan's stagnation, but the energy crisis and the security situation stand out," said Sakib Sherani, an economist and CEO of Marco Economic Insights, a research house. "Bangladesh has managed to accelerate production over the years, which kept its balance of payments strong, while Pakistan had to borrow and rely on imports."

TRAPPED AND FRUSTRATED Formerly known as East Pakistan, Bangladesh broke away from Pakistan on Dec. 16, 1971, after a nine-month civil war. The nationalist Awami League has historically been hostile toward Pakistan, which it accuses of mass murders during the war.

Hasina's government has executed four pro-Pakistani politicians in the last three years, convicting them of war crimes in a controversial tribunal. The sentences drew intense criticism from the Pakistani government, which claimed that the trials were politically motivated, further straining relations.

Bangladeshi immigrants in Pakistan are mostly second-generation laborers who have spent their lives working illegally for the lowest of wages, said Zahid Farooq, a director at Urban Resource Center, a nongovernmental organization active in Karachi. "Historically, they were associated with the industrial sector because they were cheap to hire." Farooq said it was not surprising that many wanted to go back to Bangladesh since economically they were not doing well in Pakistan.

That frustration is shared by hawaladealers, who operate illegal money transfer businesses that Bangladeshi immigrants use to send money home. "The business is as good as dead," said a hawala operator who declined to give his real name but said he wanted to move away from Karachi.

"There was a time, not long ago, when our turnover would even hit a few millions [of rupees] every month, but it has significantly fallen over the past few years as Bangladeshis have stopped sending money. And the cut we get is no longer worth the risks involved in this illegal trade."

An aggressive drive by the Pakistani government to track and block fake identity cards -- an anti-terrorism move aimed at deterring Afghan nationals from settling in the country -- has brought yet more troubles for Bangladeshis.

Most of the estimated 3 million Bangladeshis in Pakistan arrived in the 1980s and settled in ghettos across Karachi. A majority acquired Pakistani identity cards and passports illegally, claiming that they had settled in West Pakistan (now Pakistan) before the creation of Bangladesh.

"Now the officials want proof of family trees, asking us for evidence that our parents were settled in West Pakistan before the 1971 war started," said Momin Mia, a fruit juice vendor who works in Gulistan-e-Jauhar, a middle-class neighborhood of Karachi. "I don't want to go through the trouble anymore. I just want to go back to Bangladesh," he said, adding that the police had extorted money from him.

Farooq said that such discrimination was rampant in Karachi. "We have whole ghettos full of illegal Bangladeshis in the city and the government knows that. But these policemen hound them just to make a quick buck."

HOSTILITY AT HOME Compounding their problems, Bangladeshi immigrants are finding that their home country is not willing to welcome them either.

The Awami League government faces an opposition composed of the center-right and pro-Pakistan Bangladesh Nationalist Party and a number of Islamic parties. Some returning immigrants traveling on Pakistani passports have been denied visas to enter Bangladesh because they were viewed as opposition supporters. "Hasina thinks we are terrorists because we lived in Pakistan for so long," Ali said. Bangladesh arrested three suspected militants traveling from Pakistan in January.

The Bangladesh government also suspects that many of those claiming to be returnees are ethnic Rohingya refugees from Myanmar who had entered Pakistan pretending to be Bangladeshis. Karachi is home to the second-largest Rohingya diaspora in the world after Chittagong in Bangladesh.

Many Bangladeshis believe that Pakistan trains radical young Rohingya men in madrassas (Muslim religious schools) and sends them to fight the Buddhist majority in Myanmar. When thousands of Rohingya left Myanmar in 2014, following communal riots, the Bangladesh government did not allow aid groups to use Bangladeshi territory to conduct relief efforts for refugees.

Diplomatic tensions have been rising, too. Last December, Bangladesh expelled a female Pakistani diplomat for her alleged links with "extremist elements." In what was seen as retaliation, Pakistan later expelled a female Bangladeshi diplomat.

These tensions are affecting legitimate immigrants to Pakistan from Bangladesh who want to travel back to their homeland. Mia said he had gone to the Bangladesh embassy to seek a visa for the fourth time in three months in mid-March, but was ignored by the staff. Mia, who has a wife and four children in Bangladesh, last visited in 2007. "Until a few years ago, we would just talk in Bengali at the counter and they would stamp a visa," he said.

Ali, too, was snubbed at the embassy a month ago. He is looking forward to getting married in his hometown and setting up a tailor shop in Dhaka, but those plans are all on hold. "I don't know how long I will have to wait," he said. "But I will wait because that's all I can do."

Bla bla bla. They are bengalis from pre-71 era, they are Pakistani citizens. Bangladeshi people have no incentive to go to Pakistan since Pakistan was never a wealthy country, Bengalis go and live illegally in Europe and north America. Write all you like, not a single one of them will be accepted in Bangladesh.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Bla bla bla. They are bengalis from pre-71 era, they are Pakistani citizens. Bangladeshi people have no incentive to go to Pakistan since Pakistan was never a wealthy country, Bengalis go and live illegally in Europe and north America. Write all you like, not a single one of them will be accepted in Bangladesh.

We know, cos you are a shameless nation who will let their own die like dogs than helping them..

Be it rohingya, or illegal bangladeshi chutiyas in Pakistan.

You are “chotay log”, small people with nasty hearts.

 

[Bengal71]

We know, cos you are a shameless nation who will let their own die like dogs than helping them..

Be it rohingya, or illegal bangladeshi chutiyas in Pakistan.

You are “chotay log”, small people with nasty hearts.

Keep them and give them citizenship, they were loyal to you in '71. For us, they were traitors, won't take any of them.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Keep them and give them citizenship, they were loyal to you in '71. For us, they were traitors, won't take any of them.

Im sure they were loyal .. no wonder they kept leaving bangladesh like rats abandoning a sinking ship till the 90s.

 

[Bengal71]

Im sure they were loyal .. no wonder they kept leaving bangladesh like rats abandoning a sinking ship till the 90s.

Lol, if they are loyal give them citizenship. I can see you guys are burning very much they stay there? Who is the shameless now, you received their full loyalty and support in '71, then refused to give them citizenship? Anyway, scream all you like, we won't take a single one of your citizens.