Pakistani shot dead by mentally ill man in Kentucky

[Gufi]

Yes, but as the age-old excuse goes, which is valid too, it is the shooter that kills and not the gun. First of all, what I have learnt about States after living in USA for good 5 years is, there is never going to be a ban on the guns. Secondly, if there was (lets assume for a while), people will still kill, not with guns, with knives, or just about any other article that could be used to kill someone. So in essence, it is not about the gun but about the attitude of the people. I have essentially moved in the academic circles and perhaps only once I noticed indecent behavior by a white woman was when I was about to accidentally bump my shopping cart into her. Thats pretty much the only incident I could recall of. In general, I am a great admirer of Americans and I have found them good, in-fact very good people compared to, well sorry to say, Asians.

Well with all due respect to your opinion sir, It is guns which kill and people pull the trigger. The reason there is gun control in the government buildings in even America is the knowledge that guns are weapons. Knives and other assorted weapons are much harder to kill with and require close up proximity. The death of this man is the fault of the Government and the Gun regulations or lack of them.
I agree that the divide in America is great and that they can never get in agreement on a lot of issues and guns are one of them. And yes by in large the Americans, barring a few states, are a friendly people.

 

[Dubious]

What sort of idiotic question is that ? Dont you have access to newspapers ?
Read here.

Prophet is avenged? For what?

Man when people stop asking questions they get hyped about stupidity!

When a toyota driver gets behind the wheel and go on a rampage running onto pedestrians and killing them, and claming that is what toyoto stands for, sure toyoto will take some dent. If toyoto really stands for that is the matter of debate.

Toyota will get some dent? Really? How much more denial can you get! People will automatically label the guy insane if he blames a car over his driving skills!

As for stands for...I stand for Islam so do sooo many millions of nonviolent Muslims....yet what we stand for doesnt seem to be taken into account! Surprise surprise! Only those who serve to sell media seem to be the true! WOW! Yet no one questions this line of thinking...Simply wow!

Here is how you can analyze what BS media has been feeding you

What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic

Ofcurs i did. No where did i found the mention that they had a medical history in the news reporting.
If you have news source otherwise please share with every one of us.

So if it is not mentioned we shall not proceed to test them? lovely!

I think you cant even add 2 and 2! I said those living in US know the loop holes and PLEA mentality without previous cases of medical history...THAT is when you plea!

That is your perspective that they are doing so that islam takes a dent.

I am just putting food for thought!

But ask them they will say they are gloryfying religion and prophet by these deeds and revenge killings

Have you asked them? I havent met such a bastard!

How does killing beheading and showing yourself as a pimp glorify any religion? Of course people stopped thinking when the media becomes the teacher!

Court did.
Courts records mentioned he was 5 months ago arrested with ammunitions.
Courts do examine the person with a doctor if required.

There are many cases with Muslim criminals having old police records, yet Islam takes the fall....but for this case, it was not his religion but the man himself like in every Non Muslim case....I aint the only one bringing this up you can google and find tons of articles about how people are realizing the biased standards of terming someone a terrorist or a simple murderer!

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Nope, it's impossible.

Then you went on to say that it is impossible for a mentally ill Muslim to kill....

That was sarcasm

Did I say this?

Seems like mentally ill people find Muslims to take out their mental pain

Then tell me what you meant by this?

Seems that Muslims can't be victims of random acts of murder and killings, Muslims always are victims of premeditated murderers.

Exaggeration of what some Muslims here might be thinking.

Why was this random act of road rage news posted on PDF? Because a Muslim was involved, so it must have been the work of an Islamophobe killer. Right?

In my opinion it is a complicated case
On one side America has been proven to have a problem with Islamophobia and the article has highlighted another killing of a Muslim. But on the other side there is a real gun control movement going on from the liberal side and cases like these show the need to have basic background checks before one is issued a gun.

American media has a problem promoting Islamophobia to the world and it's citizens, but it's actually false, majority actually really aren't islamophobic but are brainwashed into thinking in that manner. The only person I know who is islamophobic is a mildly depressive schizophrenic, coincidence I think not.

Background checks prevent someone like the killer from getting a gun legally, but illegally it's a piece of cake. With a possible millions of illegal guns floating around it's a bit late for background checks but it might help in some rare cases.

 

[Dubious]

That was sarcasm

Then my bad! Sorry!

Then tell me what you meant by this?

That was my part of sarcasm

Exaggeration of what some Muslims here might be thinking.

Why was this random act of road rage news posted on PDF? Because a Muslim was involved, so it must have been the work of an Islamophobe killer. Right?

Could be and couldnt be! Depends...But it does raise question how many mentally ills can aim and shoot a Muslim ....Actually all whites killing Muslims seem to either plea or happen to be mentally ill...Does the media repeatedly making Muslims back trigger their mental disease or what?

Show me 1 Non Muslim who has killed a Muslim and hasnt been mentally ill or plead so?

 

[A1Kaid]

My condolences to the family. Pakistani-Americans should conceal carry.

 

[ganesh177]

Prophet is avenged? For what?

How is that for me to answer ?
shouldn't you be asking this question to those terrorists ?

Toyota will get some dent? Really? How much more denial can you get! People will automatically label the guy insane if he blames a car over his driving skills!

Guy is just a individual, it needs to be verified if toyoto is the actual mastermind provoking him for the rash drivings.
Difference though is you can produce toyoto before courts, interrogate them, and pass a judgement.
That cannot be done for religion. Just gives a hint its stupid to compare toyoto and religion.

As for stands for...I stand for Islam so do sooo many millions of nonviolent Muslims....yet what we stand for doesnt seem to be taken into account! Surprise surprise! Only those who serve to sell media seem to be the true! WOW! Yet no one questions this line of thinking...Simply wow!

Their voice is heard loud and clear because they are backing up their claims with actions on ground.

So if it is not mentioned we shall not proceed to test them? lovely!

What test ?
Gunmens were firing at innocent civilians and also policemens. They came with a motive to die, and you want a doctor to go and test them for a medical conditions ?

Have you asked them? I havent met such a bastard!

Journalists did.

How does killing beheading and showing yourself as a pimp glorify any religion? Of course people stopped thinking when the media becomes the teacher!

Again that is for them to answer, not me.

There are many cases with Muslim criminals having old police records, yet Islam takes the fall....but for this case, it was not his religion but the man himself like in every Non Muslim case....I aint the only one bringing this up you can google and find tons of articles about how people are realizing the biased standards of terming someone a terrorist or a simple murderer!

Motive of the kill is not even clear. There are no religious claims, neither any oraganisation has taken the responsibility for the kill. No sleeper cell is traced and busted.
I still dont get what you are trying to prove and what your point is ?
Heck i doubt you even would be asking these many question if the victim was a non-muslim person.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Actually all whites killing Muslims seem to either plea or happen to be mentally ill.

That false assumption right there, with that bias you actively search for articles that prove it. And you didn't even notice that the article never mentions Muslim at all, only that the victim was Pakistani.

Show me 1 Non Muslim who has killed a Muslim and hasnt been mentally ill or plead so?

I know there are non Muslims who have killed a Muslim who is not mentally ill. It's obvious and I'm not the one making such a claim, you did.

 

[Dubious]

How is that for me to answer ?
shouldn't you be asking this question to those terrorists ?

I have never met such jerks but many PDF Indians talk as though they had a cup of tea with em so I ask!

Guy is just a individual, it needs to be verified if toyoto is the actual mastermind provoking him for the rash drivings.
Difference though is you can produce toyoto before courts, interrogate them, and pass a judgement.
That cannot be done for religion. Just gives a hint its stupid to compare toyoto and religion.

You cant bring a car...I aint talking about TOYOTA as in the company but the car...Shows how deeply you are capable of thinking...They say aqalmandoun kay liyea ishara hi kafi hota hai...Well, I needed to break that down...

Their voice is heard loud and clear because they are backing up their claims with actions on ground.

Read the claim and how many times it has been objected...Read the in context otherwise it is even easy to brainwash anyone by taking anything out of context...Here is a simple example:

Taken way out of context can mean alot! But a person with a thinking mind will not just buy it off face value!

What test ?

The same way many who plea mentally disturbed get a test!

Gunmens were firing at innocent civilians and also policemens. They came with a motive to die, and you want a doctor to go and test them for a medical conditions ?

I aint talking about 1 incident

Journalists did.

And survived long enough to type it out and publish it...yet these people are supposed to be trigger happy killing non Muslims! Sweet!

Again that is for them to answer, not me.

You are saying they are right so you should answer which part looks right to you!

Motive of the kill is not even clear. There are no religious claims, neither any oraganisation has taken the responsibility for the kill. No sleeper cell is traced and busted.

The definition of the terrorist I gave didnt include sleeper cells....Just a mad man out trying to terrorize the public!

I still dont get what you are trying to prove and what your point is ?
Heck i doubt you even would be asking these many question if the victim was a non-muslim person.

You didnt read the article?

I aint the only one talking about it:

What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic

If the victim's religion isnt dragged and taken to court then I wouldnt ask...Why? COZ its not surprise a man is capable of killing another man! But when he does so and the people send his religion to court as though he doesnt need to be held responsible for HIS own doings/ actions/ thinking is rather biased! And why do it for 1 religion and not all?

Why blame a religion practiced by over millions of people who arent trigger happy?

That false assumption right there, with that bias you actively search for articles that prove it. And you didn't even notice that the article never mentions Muslim at all, only that the victim was Pakistani.

His name is enough did you miss that? Check another article to confirm! Why didnt it mention Muslim when the one gunned down is a Muslim? When he does the gunning his religion suddenly is very important why?

I know there are non Muslims who have killed a Muslim who is not mentally ill. It's obvious and I'm not the one making such a claim, you did.

I didnt make a claim I questioned a habit!

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

His name is enough did you miss that?

Seriously?! With that logic a Pakistani with a Indian name is Hindu... If I said that you would call me a racist Islamophobe. Profiling by someones name is just as bad as profiling them by there skin color.

I've searched other articles, couldn't find anything about his faith so it's unknown as far as I know.

Why didnt it mention Muslim when the one gunned down is a Muslim?

Again, assuming off of his name is baseless, it holds no water no matter how many times you repeat it.

When he does the gunning his religion suddenly is very important why?

It's not important, only used by the media to spread Islamophobia and propaganda.

 

[ganesh177]

I have never met such jerks but many PDF Indians talk as though they had a cup of tea with em so I ask!

Now that you are onto trolling lemme ask did you had a cup of tea with the victim before he died that you are batting for him ?
Did you also had a cup of tea with the murder whom you are so excited to label him as a terrorist ?

You cant bring a car...I aint talking about TOYOTA as in the company but the car...Shows how deeply you are capable of thinking...They say aqalmandoun kay liyea ishara hi kafi hota hai...Well, I needed to break that down...

Now that you are onto lying as well, lemme refresh your memory back. Read your post below.
Toyoto is the maker, car did not made itself.
As they say bhains ke aage been bajayi.

How I expect religion not to take the fall is the same way I see Toyota not taking the fall for every accident its vehicle is in! Why blame the maker when the driver cant handle the wheel?

Read the claim and how many times it has been objected...Read the in context otherwise it is even easy to brainwash anyone by taking anything out of context...Here is a simple example:

Taken way out of context can mean alot! But a person with a thinking mind will not just buy it off face value!

Proving your point with such cheap photoshops. Duh !

The same way many who plea mentally disturbed get a test!


I aint talking about 1 incident

Produce yourself(means the terrorists whom u are batting for) in court and get the test. Whats the big deal.
Kasab killed so many innocent civilians, got all the medical attention, food, clothing, court trials, security even in jails.

And survived long enough to type it out and publish it...yet these people are supposed to be trigger happy killing non Muslims! Sweet!

Yes so ? Even terrorist need to get their point accross. How do you think point will get across if they kill the journalists ?

You are saying they are right so you should answer which part looks right to you!

Where did i said they are right ?

The definition of the terrorist I gave didnt include sleeper cells....Just a mad man out trying to terrorize the public!

And your definition becomes a standard norm ?

If the victim's religion isnt dragged and taken to court then I wouldnt ask...Why? COZ its not surprise a man is capable of killing another man! But when he does so and the people send his religion to court as though he doesnt need to be held responsible for HIS own doings/ actions/ thinking is rather biased! And why do it for 1 religion and not all?

Why blame a religion practiced by over millions of people who arent trigger happy?

No one is taking religion to court. Thats what i said in previous post as well. One cannot drag religion to court and make it answerable.

 

[Dubious]

Seriously?! With that logic a Pakistani with a Indian name is Hindu... If I said that you would call me a racist Islamophobe. Profiling by someones name is just as bad as profiling them by there skin color.

Who are you kidding? Please....

I've searched other articles, couldn't find anything about his faith so it's unknown as far as I know.

Try reading the article...

“He was the kind of guy who carried his heart in his hands,” said his wife, Shamy Nabil. “I am grateful for my faith. I know we are all going to die, one way or another. I just didn’t expect it to be this soon, I didn’t expect it to be like this.”

And suddenly media feels no reason to write what faith.....had it been a Muslim pulling the trigger his religion wouldnt be missed out! Please tell yourself anything before you sleep at night but quit pretending already!
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Again, assuming off of his name is baseless, it holds no water no matter how many times you repeat it.

I asked why you didnt answer but called it baseless to assume but it is never baseless to assume if 5 people in USA died all had to be Muslims pulling the trigger....I am asking why wasnt his religion important when he is a victim but extremely important when he is the one pulling the trigger? WHY is a question!

It's not important, only used by the media to spread Islamophobia and propaganda.

No kidding! Now please stop quoting me!

 

[Dubious]

I've searched other articles, couldn't find anything about his faith so it's unknown as far as I know.

Driver, 43, 'shot dead Muslim father-of-three in random road-rage attack'

• Christopher L. McCullum, 43, shot Mukhtar Ahmed, 41, on I-71 in Louisville
• Police said the shooting was a completely random act of road rage
• But local Pakistani-Muslim American community think it was a hate crime
• Investigations show no prior connection between McCullum and his victim
• Mr Ahmed leaves behind a wife and three young children including a 13-year-old girl and two boys, aged eight and five
• McCullum had a history of mental illness and substance abuse and was involved in a series of legal run-ins, according to records

By BELINDA ROBINSON FOR MAIL ONLINE

PUBLISHED: 18:56 GMT, 27 February 2015 | UPDATED: 13:37 GMT, 1 March 2015

Arrested: Christopher L. McCullum, 43, of Louisville, Kentucky shot Mukhtar Ahmed on a highway

A man has been charged with killing a Muslim father-of-three after he shot him while driving down a highway in Kentucky.

Christopher L. McCullum, 43, of Louisville, Kentucky was driving on Interstate 71 on Wednesday, when he spotted Mukhtar Ahmed, 41, in a separate lane and opened fire.

Ahmed was shot multiple times through the passenger door of his black SUV and was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police said the shooting was a 'completely random act of road rage,' as there was no connection between McCullum and his victim.

Ahmed leaves behind a wife and three young children including a 13-year-old girl and two boys, aged eight and five.

However the local Pakistani-American community fear that it was a faith-based hate crime as Ahmed was a Muslim.

Khalid Kahloon, Ahmed's family attorney, told NBC News: 'As an Asian-American Muslim community living in America at this time, the community is very sensitive and apprehensive.'

'This is a source of great discomfort to the community as to why a member would be murdered in this way.

'We cannot say it is for certain about race, but deep down in our hearts we cannot say that it was just another senseless murder on the American highway.'

Ahmed, an immigrant from Pakistan, had just dropped off his daughter at school and was driving on Interstate 71 in Louisville at 9 am, when the incident unfolded.

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Victim: Mukhtar Ahmed was driving on Interstate 71 in Louisville, when he was shot multiple times

SUV: Ahmed was shot multiple times through the passenger door of his black SUV, pictured here, and died

He was near the Gene Snyder Freeway when he was shot, according to Ahmed's family attorney.

Early reports from Lex18.com said police were looking for the suspect who fled in a white Ford van.

He was found three hours later, at noon, when police located a van which matched the description.

Eyewitnesses said the driver was dressed in overalls and was calmly chatting with officers after they got him out of the van.

His vehicle sat on the ramp for close to 90 minutes allowing a police technician to check it for evidence.

The suspect was then taken away in the back of a cruiser.

He was arrested and charged with murder. But there is still no indication of what sparked the dispute.

Police Chief Steve Conrad told local media: 'I don't exactly know the motive. It appears, based on what I know, to be some sort of road rage incident, but I don't know that for a fact.'

Kahloon said Ahmed had been living in the United States for many years and worked with his brother in a grocery retail business..

The local Louisville Pakistani-American community is small and made up of 100-150 families.

Kahloon added: '[Ahmed] had great ambition. He was hard working, a strong family man, with a good sense of his role in the community.

'He never had any issue with any customer, and always preferred a peaceful resolution.'

Meanwhile, the suspect, McCullum described himself as 'self employed and the owner of A&J's Electric' on his Facebook page. He also stated he was in the U.S. Navy.

He was expected to be arraigned on Thursday.

However, it has also emerged that he has a history of mental illness and substance abuse and is currently involved in a series of legal run-ins.

According to records obtained by WDRB.com the 43-year-old was going through a divorce.

He had been married since 1997 and had two teen boys but had moved out of his family home and listed his address as 'a white Ford van.'

In a July 2014 order by Family Court Judge Stephen George he stated that McCullum had a 'history of mental illness and substance abuse that affected his work.'

The judge wrote: 'He is unable to sufficiently supervise his employees and often walks off of jobs.'

Despite owning his own business A & J Electric, McCullum was not working. His electrical licence had been suspended after he failed to pay fees records from his divorce case showed.

He had not filed his taxes in several years, according to the records.

Additionally, he was supposed to be paying child support.

In October 2014, McCullum was arrested by Louisville Metro Police while carrying four loaded handguns, two rifles and a crossbow police said.

An officer who pulled him over for driving with a shattered windshield and expired tags noticed a loose 9mm bullet rolling on the driver side floorboard.

They also found marijuana, drug paraphernalia and several weapons inside the van. The two rifles and two of the handguns were wrapped in a pair of overalls on the floorboard of the white van.

One of the guns was described as being a German Luger pistol.

Two other handguns were found behind the passenger seat.

McCullum, however, did not have a concealed weapon license. But his lawyer successfully argued that the guns were 'older, family guns' he'd inherited and he was taking them out to a farm to shoot.'

He got a plea deal and was sentenced to 90 days in jail which was conditionally discharged for two years, as long as he stayed out of trouble.

In a separate case, McCullum was scheduled to be in Jefferson District Court on March 26 to deal with a recent trespassing conviction.

He had gone into a person's yard and tapped into their breaker box to use their power without permission.

His former lawyer described him as a 'good guy, generally mild mannered,' and said he would be 'surprised' if he was involved in Wednesday's shooting.

Read more: Christopher L. McCullum 'shot dead Muslim father-of-three in random road-rage attack' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Dalit]

Ask the black African American community how their ancestors have survived in this blessed land. Whilst not all Americans resort to random killings, but this country has some serious hate crime related problems. Racial tension has been part and parcel of US history. This is not a secret for anyone.