Pakistani Ranger sentenced to death for killing unarmed civilian

[acetophenol]

I have seen it , a dozen time on the private T.V. channels when the incident happened . Intention or no intention do not matter here , after all even a driver who kills a person accidentally is sentenced to the same death , these paramilitary fellas didn't seem to understand , how to restrain or control a person and the one who was " unarmed " and the dangers that come with using the " lethal force " . This is a good precedent to be honest .

Death sentence was too much for this.I don't know the case in Pakistan,but in India,death sentences are not given for motor accidents in India.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

right.


a picture (with a caption) speaks a million words

(p.s. twice he put his hand on the Ranger's rifle....not once. Here is just on example)

 

[Secur]

the "poor innocent" guy put his hand on the barrel of the Rangers' rifle.....who in their right state of mind does something like that? That's suicidal.

Why isn't the poor guy being given the advantage of " doubt " and the same " impulse/instinct " thing here ? After all , the self-preservation thing is well built in into every human . Would you be in the right state of mind if I point a gun at you , whilst you are unarmed and appear visibly startled and threaten / act ( even if pretending ) to kill you ? No , you wouldn't be ! Instead of playing games with him , the half a dozen ranger personnel should have tried to " arrest " him and submit him to the due process of the law .

but as i've said 1,000,000 times - in the heat of the moment when you act on IMPULSE and INSTICT --- you'd shoot a guy too if he walked towards you (armed or unarmed doesnt matter a damn) and put his hands around your gun.....

The law dictates that you pay for the same impulsive acts and failure to control your amygdala unfortunately . I said before the intentions hardly matter here , the rules of engagement weren't followed and the " deadly force " used without any reason to do so . For God's sake , you have three para-military boys pointing the " automatic weapon " at him , how does he pose a threat ?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Barrel should have never even been that close and he was poking him with the barrel, and the suspect naturally tried to stop that by pushing the barrel aside. He should have been arrested by then, it appeared as if the Rangers were just waiting to shoot and kill him. If Rangers cannot detain a teenage suspect accused of theft that reflects their lack of professionalism and training. Personally, next time I travel to Pakistan I will make sure I am armed with a carbine and carry many magazines in the car. With the security situation there and the way the police and Rangers, behave and even sometimes people cannot take the risk.

I agree with the first part; but the point is - this poor poor teenager idiot (who on the COMPLETE version of the video said "I had no choice" [but to rob]) should NOTTTT have put his barrel on the guy's gun

what is it about that which you people cant comprehend? GOD DAMN!

and i hope you aren't issued an arms license whenever it is that you go to Pakistan b/c I will hate to see an American of Pakistani origin end up on the news like this guy.....if youre nervous about the security situation then dont go. Simple as that, bhai.

the Rangers are doing their best - and without them in Karachi - it would be a hell of a lot worse (thanks to the political parties and their armed thugs "activists")

The law dictates that you pay for the same impulsive acts and failure to control your amygdala unfortunately . I said before the intentions hardly matter here , the rules of engagement weren't followed and the " deadly force " used without any reason to do so . For God's sake , you have three para-military boys pointing the " automatic weapon " at him , how does he pose a threat ?

why they were all pointing automatic weapons at him is a different issue; but as soon as he put his hands on the service rifle (more than once! watch the video again) he became fair game

those are my views.....in the heat of the moment, quick decision was made. He had a toy gun on him; i wonder what HIS intentions were before the rangers arrived on the scene (after complaints were made by civilians about a suspicious individual)

not to say i dont feel sorry for the guy's family.....but the reality is that he fcked up!

 

[A1Kaid]

I agree with the first part; but the point is - this poor poor teenager idiot (who on the COMPLETE version of the video said "I had no choice" [but to rob]) should NOTTTT have put his barrel on the guy's gun

what is it about that which you people cant comprehend? GOD DAMN!

and i hope you aren't issued an arms license whenever it is that you go to Pakistan b/c I will hate to see an American of Pakistani origin end up on the news like this guy.....if youre nervous about the security situation then dont go. Simple as that, bhai.

the Rangers are doing their best - and without them in Karachi - it would be a hell of a lot worse (thanks to the political parties and their armed thugs "activists")



why they were all pointing automatic weapons at him is a different issue; but as soon as he put his hands on the service rifle (more than once! watch the video again) he became fair game

those are my views.....in the heat of the moment, quick decision was made. He had a toy gun on him; i wonder what HIS intentions were before the rangers arrived on the scene (after complaints were made by civilians about a suspicious individual)

not to say i dont feel sorry for the guy's family.....but the reality is that he fcked up!

"and i hope you aren't issued an arms license whenever it is that you go to Pakistan b/c I will hate to see an American of Pakistani origin end up on the news like this guy.....if youre nervous about the security situation then dont go. Simple as that, bhai."

Don't worry buddy it'll be the perpetrators you should worry for. I'm on point with my gear.

 

[Secur]

why they were all pointing automatic weapons at him is a different issue; but as soon as he put his hands on the service rifle (more than once! watch the video again) he became fair game

No , mate , its a serious issue . Are these personnel not trained enough to deal with such situation ? Do they not know how to control or arrest a person and somehow believe in " kill em first and ask questions later " ? What wisdom do you see in pointing multiple guns on a person ( who doesn't pose any threat at that time - mind you that is something we can judge from here ) and threatening to kill him ? Do they understand the things of " reasonable force " and the consequences of the " deadly force " when used improperly ? The personnel involved in the act were similarly a fair game for the law , which doesn't work with respect to " impulse / instincts .

I will not make a comment on the guy since his guilt was never proven , he was wrong in holding the barrel of the gun but that is fear/uncertainty/confusion you see , mate . The people " TRAINED " for such situation should have acted better than him .

 

[VCheng]

Without taking any sides, isn't it interesting to see that we like the justice system to work only if it agrees with our personal beliefs and opinions, and not as a matter of law?

Koi haal nahi iss qaum kaa.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I have seen it , a dozen time on the private T.V. channels when the incident happened . Intention or no intention do not matter here , after all even a driver who kills a person accidentally is sentenced to the same death , these paramilitary fellas didn't seem to understand , how to restrain or control a person and the one who was " unarmed " and the dangers that come with using the " lethal force " . This is a good precedent to be honest .

Nope.. There are several things you have to prove.. Tht he intentionally wanted to kill the person.. There are several degrees of homicide.. Etc etc ....The decision is absurd .. Capital punishment can't be justified here..

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Don't worry buddy it'll be the perpetrators you should worry for. I'm on point with my gear.

right. i'm not worried....but i think making online vows to target law enforcement personnel in Pakistan is immature at best and probably stated more out of spite than out of real intention (or capability)

 

[indiatester]

Why was the guy who handed over the robber to the rangers given life imprisonment?

 

[W.11]

Koi haal nahi iss qaum kaa.

aik hal he, tum ban jao chief justice

 

[A1Kaid]

right. i'm not worried....but i think making online vows to target law enforcement personnel in Pakistan is immature at best and probably stated more out of spite than out of real intention (or capability)

I'm not targeting anyone, all I'm saying if whoever is threatening me with a firearm, or even dares to draw a firearm on me, or puts me in a similar situation then I would defend myself, and yes I'm perfectly capable of defending myself. I have to go to Pakistan in a few years to search for a new house, just don't want to run into abusive law enforcement or crooks trying this kind of crap on me, I am not going to submit to this kind of aggression. Unlike many of you (not saying you) I'm not an internet warrior.

Any ways I am satisfied with the judicial sentence, excessive and unwarranted lethal force was used and gross negligence on the Ranger's part, suspect should have been detained and they failed to do that.

 

[Leader]

is he still on death punishment or some settlement is forced ?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I'm not targeting anyone, all I'm saying if whoever is threatening me with a firearm, or even dares to draw a firearm on me, or puts me in a similar situation then I would defend myself, and yes I'm perfectly capable of defending myself. I have to go to Pakistan in a few years to search for a new house, just don't want to run into abusive law enforcement or crooks trying this kind of crap on me, I am not going to submit to this kind of aggression. Unlike many of you (not saying you) I'm not an internet warrior.

Any ways I am satisfied with the judicial sentence, excessive and unwarranted lethal force was used and gross negligence on the Ranger's part, suspect should have been detained and they failed to do that.

nobody is threatening you nor is this thread about you or what you'd do

as for your opinion on the case - that's your opinion and I respect it; even if my views are diametrically opposed to just about everything you wrote.

No , mate , its a serious issue . Are these personnel not trained enough to deal with such situation ? Do they not know how to control or arrest a person and somehow believe in " kill em first and ask questions later " ? What wisdom do you see in pointing multiple guns on a person ( who doesn't pose any threat at that time - mind you that is something we can judge from here ) and threatening to kill him ? Do they understand the things of " reasonable force " and the consequences of the " deadly force " when used improperly ? The personnel involved in the act were similarly a fair game for the law , which doesn't work with respect to " impulse / instincts .

I will not make a comment on the guy since his guilt was never proven , he was wrong in holding the barrel of the gun but that is fear/uncertainty/confusion you see , mate . The people " TRAINED " for such situation should have acted better than him .

whats also confusing is when morons like him carry fake guns and resort to robbery and disturbances - which FORCED the Rangers to report to the scene in the first place!

 

[Secur]

whats also confusing is when morons like him carry fake guns and resort to robbery and disturbances - which FORCED the Rangers to report to the scene in the first place!

I thought that was like their job to maintain law and order . Come on , why persist in defending a wrong act , mate ? Why couldn't the personnel deal with the situation properly despite it being their livelihood ? Again , are they not trained enough to understand such things ? Do they not know the difference between a petty criminal and a terrorist and the differing threat level ?