Featured Pakistani Navy confirms Brazilian jetliner will replace Orion patrol aircraft

[Bossman]

Old timers will remember what “Sultan” implies in Pakistan

 

[Falcon26]

Embraer is excellent choice. ITAR free guaranteed. They are on par with Boeing/Airbus. But I dont get it where the rest of the electronics/systems will come from. Is it via Brazil or Turkey?

Apparently, they will follow the same model as the German upgrade ATR-72 MPAs, so probably Italian and German systems.

 

[Tank131]

Embraer is excellent choice. ITAR free guaranteed. They are on par with Boeing/Airbus. But I dont get it where the rest of the electronics/systems will come from. Is it via Brazil or Turkey?

I would imagine, since the PN seems very hapoy with the ATR, they will again go to Rheinland Air Services and use german and Italian tech. This time they need to incorporate AShM capability in addition to torpedo, boey and depth charge capability. Additionally, i wonder if they will get a MAD this time (one is available for Sea Eagle but they opted not to for tue ATR). That being said P-8 doesnt have a MAD and relies (as the ATR do) on radar and advanced acoustics sensors.

 

[Yasser76]

Airbus isn't ITAR free.

Yes it is. Even Iran Airlines has an all airbus fleet. Moot point though. There are so many Airbus's in so many airports and countries that trying to stop spares or sanction them is like trying to sanction motorbike parts.

Reason for not choosing Airbus was probably politics I imagine.

 

[Gripen9]

Old timers will remember what “Sultan” implies in Pakistan

Damn I feel old now

Embraer is excellent choice. ITAR free guaranteed. They are on par with Boeing/Airbus. But I dont get it where the rest of the electronics/systems will come from. Is it via Brazil or Turkey?

Uses GE CF36 engines. Cockpit is all Rockwell Collins/Honeywell. So how is it ITAR free?

 

[Signalian]

The question of what issues may arise in converting the aircraft was put to Douglas Barrie, an aerospace analyst at the International Institute for Strategic Studies:

“Using a commercial turbofan engine-powered aircraft as the basis for an ASW [anti-submarine warfare] platform is not unheard of. After all, the U.S. P-8 is a Boeing 737-800 derivative," he said.

But there are challenges in conversing the aircraft, he added, "not least of all if internal weapons carriage is required where a bomb bay will need to be cut into the airframe.”

“Significant undertaking and risk management is going to be important,” he said, adding that it’s likely Embraer will be asked to help with the conversion, “otherwise the challenges just get all the greater.”

PN has started the trend through ATR-72. Pick a commercial jet and convert it using military systems and weapons.

Frederico Lemos, Embraer’s defense representative who handles business in Asia, did not respond to Defense News' questions about whether the company is or would be involved in the conversion process.

PN may not have disclosed concrete plans as yet.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

So @PAR 5 proves to be reliable once again. I wonder though why some of his threads get deleted, especailly when so many useless threads do not?

What do these names even mean.......??

Mako

Manta

Orca / Sea Wolf

 

[Imad.Khan]

Embraer already makes ASW called P-99 / R-99,

Embraer R-99 - Price, Specs, Photo Gallery, History - Aero Corner

The Embraer R-99 is the military designation of the EMB-145-RS of the Brazilian Air Force. It was a derivative of the twin-engine Embraer Regional Jet EMB 145. The R-99 family is powered by AE1 3007 turbofan engines of Rolls-Royce and produce twenty percent additional thrust compared with the...

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So why not just go with that and if needed get your own electronics installed.

 

[FuturePAF]

because PN and PAF use brazilian products including jets and trust them ? more cheaper too ?

Embrarer is also a good company to purchase future airliners from, when PIA is restructured and rebuild from the ground up. Smaller planes increase the chances the planes travel full.

Also would love to see these planes operate as future Awacs (would love to see a few SAAB Globaleye Suite on an Embrarer in PAF service) and tankers, and the platform upon which we fly the Turkish Havasoj Electronic warfare suite. The long range Embrarer Lineage could be a good, relatively modest, VIP Transport for the Prime Minister or Army Chief On foreign visits. It limits the entourage that can go, keeping acquisition and operating costs low. $54 million for a VIP transport version.

Back to the MPA; do we know who willing be selling the ASW suite. IMHO, it’s probably the Swordfish by Sweden’s SAAB. We have a great relationship with SAAB and India rejecting the Gripen leaves Sweden more likely to sell at fair market price.

 

[Gripen9]

Mako
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Manta
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Orca / Sea Wolf
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Better would be Osprey or SeaHawk. It has one of the best eyesight amongst the raptor family and plucks fish out of the sea even when they are below surface. Very apt for a sub hunting aircraft.

Sea Sultan is quite cheesy.... I see a bafoonish caricature with a turban and a big sword.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Better would be Osprey or SeaHawk. It has one of the best eyesight amongst the raptor family and plucks fish out of the sea even when they are below surface. Very apt for a sub hunting aircraft.

Sea Sultan is quite cheesy.... I see a bafoonish caricature with a turban and a big sword.

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They should've called the ATR-72 'Sea Hawk/Osprey' and left 'Sea Eagle' to the Embraer.

Clearly, someone didn't expect the PN to get a LRMPA Lol.

Instead, we got #PakistanInaNutshell

 

[khansaheeb]

Why PN didn't choose options from Airbus?

quelle question ridicul-Macron

 

[FuturePAF]

Embraer already makes ASW called P-99 / R-99,

Embraer R-99 - Price, Specs, Photo Gallery, History - Aero Corner

The Embraer R-99 is the military designation of the EMB-145-RS of the Brazilian Air Force. It was a derivative of the twin-engine Embraer Regional Jet EMB 145. The R-99 family is powered by AE1 3007 turbofan engines of Rolls-Royce and produce twenty percent additional thrust compared with the...

www.aircraftcompare.com

So why not just go with that and if needed get your own electronics installed.

Probably the need for a longer range aircraft

Better would be Osprey or SeaHawk. It has one of the best eyesight amongst the raptor family and plucks fish out of the sea even when they are below surface. Very apt for a sub hunting aircraft.

Sea Sultan is quite cheesy.... I see a bafoonish caricature with a turban and a big sword.

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Not necessarily if the artwork is done well. Something like a Mughal Soldier on horseback in the sky carrying a Spear, hunting subs from on high could be a very distinct and potent image.

Army of the Mughal Empire

The Mughal Army was the army of the Mughal Empire. The soldiers of the Mughal Army were not commonly recruited by the emperor himself but rather by chiefs and other leaders, who were known as Mansabdars. The Mansabdars were ranked based on the number of men that they had raised and the ranking...

military.wikia.org

 

[Gripen9]

Probably the need for a longer range aircraft


Not necessarily if the artwork is done well. Something like a Mughal Soldier on horseback in the sky carrying a Spear, hunting subs from on high could be a very distinct and potent image.

Army of the Mughal Empire

The Mughal Army was the army of the Mughal Empire. The soldiers of the Mughal Army were not commonly recruited by the emperor himself but rather by chiefs and other leaders, who were known as Mansabdars. The Mansabdars were ranked based on the number of men that they had raised and the ranking...

military.wikia.org

Historically Mughals did not have a navy which was partly responsible for their downfall

Ameer-ul-Behr -- Lord of the Seas maybe?

 

[mingle]

Probably the need for a longer range aircraft


Not necessarily if the artwork is done well. Something like a Mughal Soldier on horseback in the sky carrying a Spear, hunting subs from on high could be a very distinct and potent image.

Army of the Mughal Empire

The Mughal Army was the army of the Mughal Empire. The soldiers of the Mughal Army were not commonly recruited by the emperor himself but rather by chiefs and other leaders, who were known as Mansabdars. The Mansabdars were ranked based on the number of men that they had raised and the ranking...

military.wikia.org

Sultan actually comes from ottoman not Mughals they used to call shenshah and Persian Shah