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Pakistani Nationalism

The Two Nation Theory on the basis of which Pakistan was created tells us that Muslims living in British India were a single nation. The whole idea of Indian Muslim Nationalism developed by Sir Syed and Aligarians that ultimately led to the creation of Pakistan was inspired by the political theories of John Locke, Milton and Thomas Paine. Orthodox Muslims had rejected this idea outright.

Bitterly opposed to this idea were people like Jamaluddin Afghani and Maududi .. Afghani severely criticized Sir Syed for the rejection of the idea of Pan-Islamism by the latter, and Mullah Maududi described the idea of Muslim Nationalism as unlikely as a ”chaste prostitute” ... (Abul Ala Maudoodi, Mussalman Aur Maujooda Syasi Kashmakash, quoted in K. K.Aziz, The Making of Pakistan, p. 148.)




Afghani was in India from 1879 to 1883, detained in Hyderabad for his political activities against the British. He was approached by the so called Ulama to give a fatwa declaring Sir Syed a heretic. Afghani’s fatwa condemned Sir Syed as a collaborator, who threw off his religion, converted to Christianity, and claimed that all the prophets were Necharis and did not believe in God (The Fatwa was published first in Persian in 1881 in Hyderabad, then in Urdu in 1884 in Calcutta, and in Arabic in 1885 from Beirut).


We chose Afghani and Maududi over Sir Syed and Jinnah .. In Pakistan, Jinnah and Sir Syed are held in high regard, but their ideological opponents (i.e, Afghani and Maududi) are followed by the vast majority of Pakistanis ... This "contradiction" has resulted from the state-sponsored religious-chauvinistic indoctrination via distortion .
We might have. But as far as I am concerned, I don't care whether I follow Sir Syed or Maulana Maududi. I will follow what my religion Islam had taught me.
But yes, I stand corrected about the Two Nation theory. It was more related to sub continent.
 
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If all Muslims are a single nation then why are they killing each other all the time for ridiculous reasons,arent they all members of a single nation?
Maybe you should try to come back to reality.
Tell me, do blood relation also not fight and kill each other(For whatever reasons), Despite belonging to the same family? I live in reality, but you all run away from it and keep distance. I can be wrong but I have a firm believe that the teachings of my religion Islam can never be wrong. Even if I cannot make sense of it or back it up by facts, It simply means I was not capable enough or I could not understand it. It does not mean that Islam taught be wrong. I was incompetent. Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion. I will not pursue my case any further.
 
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Tell me, do blood relation also not fight and kill each other(For whatever reasons), Despite belonging to the same family? I live in reality, but you all run away from it and keep distance. I can be wrong but I have a firm believe that the teachings of my religion Islam can never be wrong. Even if I cannot make sense of it or back it up by facts, It simply means I was not capable enough or I could not understand it. It does not mean that Islam taught be wrong. I was incompetent. Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion. I will not pursue my case any further.


I am proud to be Muslim and do not feel any shame. I feel it is a fundamental component in my identity as a Pakistani. I feel the premise of this thread is catering to the liberal segments of Pakistani society that promote secularism. @Rafi is my long time friend and someone I look up to, but I do not entirely agree with him. Islam in itself is a way of life and quite liberal. The Pakistani youth that are promoting secularism here don't quite understand that what they are trying to promote is the same message of the Indian congress. If they feel this way, then there would have never been a need to separate from the India. That our sacrifices during partition were worth nothing.

Fortunately, the heart of Pakistan is from the villages that does not feel the same way as the kids from cities that watch bollywood and have access to the internet. Pakistan exists today from the prayers of us traditional Muslims that pray for it day and night.

Just my two cents.
 
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All of them have in common that they reject nationalism. Look at the recently radicalized Turkish/Bosnian/Albanian in Europe. These people always had contact with Salafist Arab Muslims supporting pan-Islamist ideas (of terror organizations) before heading towards Syria.
One word: Khawarij....It is a fitna. You should not perceive that Nationalism is good just because an evil person/organistation oppose it. Just to make you understand, Al-Qaida, Daesh also opposes Shirk. What should we do?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawarij
Surah al-Hujurat - Verse 13
يَا أيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَاُنثَی وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ

13. O people! We have created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most honorable of you with Allah is that [one] who fears Allah. Indeed, Allah is Omniscient, All-Aware.

The Islamic faith rejects all racial, political, ethnological, tribal, geographical, economic, intellectual, cultural, social, and military segregations and places fear of God as the standard for distinction between virtues and vice;

(“Indeed, the most honorable of you with Allah is that [one] who fears Allah”).

The preceding Verses were addressed to believers by the phrase:

“O people!”

It is worthy of note that numerous Qur’anic Verses deal with factors leading ‘believing community’ to perils and forbids people from the same. The blessed Verse in question addresses the members of the human society and thus expresses the most significant principle guaranteeing discipline and stability and the true standard of human values against false values.

The blessed Verse is saying:

“O people! We have created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know one another.”

‘Creation of mankind from a male and a female’

indicates tracing the genealogy of mankind to Adam and Eve. Therefore, all mankind spring from the same root and taking pride in terms of genealogy and tribe is meaningless.

God Almighty created different characteristics for tribes for the maintenance of social order, since such different characteristics indentify men without which identification of people and thereby maintenance of social order in human society may not be established and chaos would encompass human society.

Taking pride in ancestors and tribes predominant was the most significant source of honor and pride in the age of ignorance.
In Islam, all outward and material privileges are invalidated and the true standard of values is determined by fear of God saying that it is solely through fear of God that one may attain to closeness to God Almighty and the threshold of his sanctity. Fear of God is a spiritual and inward quality whose permanence in the heart and soul should precede any other quality. Besides, many people pretend to have the quality in question but only few people possess the same.
https://www.al-islam.org/enlighteni...-hujurat-chapter-49#surah-al-hujurat-verse-13
This was searched on google and can be wrong. Please ask an Islamic Scholar to study the Ayat.

Unfortunately, we do not understand Quran properly and interpret it ourselves. Let me give you an example: In Pakistan, their are pashtuns(pathans), Punjabis, Sindhi and are ethnically(also racially,by language,by color) different. We can easily be stated as different tribes. Does that mean all should divide into a different country? I will confess that I am not a religious scholar and will refrain to discuss the matters in which I do not have adequate knowledge. But I will request you to study the Quran from an Imam and ask him for the correct interpretation and background.
All depends on how you define nationalism. Being proud of technological and scientific progress of your nation is a very Islamic sentiment because you're exploring Allah's creation as a community/group -> this is also a form of being "pious". Racism on the other hand is indeed haram.
Being proud of your Nation's prosperity is Patriotism. It is the Love for your motherland. While a nationalist will always think his/her country is superior than the others. A I said before, a nationalist is always a patriot but a patriot is not always a nationalist.

In his classic essay on the topic George Orwell distinguishes nationalism from patriotism, which he defines as devotion to a particular place. Nationalism, more abstractly, is "power-hunger tempered by self-deception."[141]

For Orwell, the nationalist is more likely than not dominated by irrational negative impulses:

There are, for example, Trotskyists who have become simply enemies of the U.S.S.R. without developing a corresponding loyalty to any other unit. When one grasps the implications of this, the nature of what I mean by nationalism becomes a good deal clearer. A nationalist is one who thinks solely, or mainly, in terms of competitive prestige. He may be a positive or a negative nationalist—that is, he may use his mental energy either in boosting or in denigrating—but at any rate his thoughts always turn on victories, defeats, triumphs and humiliations. He sees history, especially contemporary history, as the endless rise and decline of great power units and every event that happens seems to him a demonstration that his own side is on the upgrade and some hated rival is on the downgrade. But finally, it is important not to confuse nationalism with mere worship of success. The nationalist does not go on the principle of simply ganging up with the strongest side. On the contrary, having picked his side, he persuades himself that it is the strongest and is able to stick to his belief even when the facts are overwhelmingly against him.[141]

The Quran has explicitly rejected the basis of nationalism, and states that language, colour and race are no criteria for unity and privilege. The only criteria are belief and virtue. A common ideology is the basis of the unity of the Islamic ummah, not race, country, language or even culture. The goal of nationalism is to create national units, whereas the goal of Islam is universal unity. To nationalism what matters the most is loyalty and attachment to the homeland, whereas to Islam, it is God and religion. Nationalism gives authenticity to geographical boundaries, whereas Islam negates them.

I am a Muslim and a Pakistan born citizen. I believe that my culture is that of Islam and not what my ancestors or previous traditions brought me. Basant, The Indus Valley Civilization, all Taxila,Harappa, Moenjo Daro is not my Identity or origin or history. Islam Is.

You know where this thread will go by replying to that post.
@Azlan Haider @LA se Karachi
I agree. This is a long debate. It will be tiresome.
 
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We might have. But as far as I am concerned, I don't care whether I follow Sir Syed or Maulana Maududi. I will follow what my religion Islam had taught me.
But yes, I stand corrected about the Two Nation theory. It was more related to sub continent.

You only follow a certain radical interpretation of Islam.


During the struggle for the freedom(and even today), the most important issue which concerned Muslim Scholars and political activists was about the national and religious identity of Indian Muslims and their position in the future India ...


Hussain Ahmed Madani (The Rector of Darul Uloom Deoband) and many others advocated "Composite Nationalism", (i.e. despite cultural, linguistic and religious differences, the people of India were but one nation). The proponents of composite nationalism believed/argued that this idea was consistent with the teachings of the Holy Quran and that the Prophet (PBUH) himself had set a practical example of Composite Nationalism when he signed the Constitution of Medina (Meesaq-e-Medina)



Then there were those who advocated the idea of "Muslim Nationalism in India" ... This idea formed the basis of the Two Nation Theory ... This idea/theory implies/implied that We were Muslims before being Indian ... And We were Indian before being (Non-Indian) Muslim ... This theory created and propounded by modernist and reformist Muslims (like Sir Syed) was inspired by Western Political Theories (of John Lock, Thomas Paine, Milton etc.).... It in a way advocated a Pan-Islamism that was restricted by geographical boundaries of the Nation state (of India, and now Pakistan).


And there were others (like Maududi) who were of the view that neither Composite Nationalism nor Muslim Nationalism were Islamic in their orientation, therefore, they warned the Muslims of the sub-continent to be beware of both. Few of them advocated "Pan-Islamism"


I believe the Pakistani nationalist ideology is very unique, and (for the Pakistani Muslims at least) Pakistani Nationalism and Islam are not mutually exclusive ..... I for one do not prioritize a Pakistani identity over Muslim identity (or vice versa). But there are those who claim to be Pakistani First, and then there are those who say that they are Muslim First. Both these claims are consistent with TNT as the TNT has both ingredients; Pan-Islamic and Nationalist. But as it is Pan-Islamism that is restricted by the Nation State boundary (and not the other way around), "Pakistani First", in my opinion, is the more valid and realistic position.
 
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I am proud to be Muslim and do not feel any shame. I feel it is a fundamental component in my identity as a Pakistani. I feel the premise of this thread is catering to the liberal segments of Pakistani society that promote secularism. @Rafi is my long time friend and someone I look up to, but I do not entirely agree with him. Islam in itself is a way of life and quite liberal. The Pakistani youth that are promoting secularism here don't quite understand that what they are trying to promote is the same message of the Indian congress. If they feel this way, then there would have never been a need to separate from the India. That our sacrifices during partition were worth nothing.

Fortunately, the heart of Pakistan is from the villages that does not feel the same way as the kids from cities that watch bollywood and have access to the internet. Pakistan exists today from the prayers of us traditional Muslims that pray for it day and night.

Just my two cents.

I just think that it is beautiful that ALL Pakistanis feel part of this great tapestry, and liberals and moderates feel as patriotic and love the country as much as more conservative people. One Love brother.

We were formed on the basis of Muslim nationhood, but all our citizens are equal now.
 
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I just think that it is beautiful that ALL Pakistanis feel part of this great tapestry, and liberals and moderates feel as patriotic and love the country as much as more conservative people. One Love brother.

We were formed on the basis of Muslim nationhood, but all our citizens are equal now.

They always were man. It's just that some idiots tried to make it seem like they were not when it came to their own personal agendas. Pakistanis have a very universal dynamic with which they live by. Give respect and get respect. We apply this principle to everyone and also expect it from everyone. It's one of my favorite things about being a Pakistani. Stay safe brother and Allah swt bless.
 
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