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Pakistani Government Silent on Indian SMOG while Pakistanis being killed.

Pakistan should Give strong Responce over Indian air pollution.

  • Give a proper Military Response.

    Votes: 17 51.5%
  • Pressurize Indian Govmaent to fix or else take Modi to International courts.

    Votes: 15 45.5%
  • I'm an Indian and I love air pollution.

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • Total voters
    33
GOP should introduce electric cars and Hybrid to combat this situation as the air pollution will simply get worse, The diesel trucks that emit thick black smoke in the air as this is very dangerous for health, they should introduce a system like in the UK which is known as MOT, the vehicles need to be tested for road worthiness including emitting CO2 emissions, if that was to happen probably more than 60% of vehicles would be banned in Pakistan due to not meeting emission targets and mechanical failure.

That's untrue even Suzuki with their newer Mehran has Euro 2 emission standards in Pakistan , I drive a Honda which has Euro 4.
As far Euro 4 is concerned the only harmful byproduct is CO2 which can be solved rather easily by planting trees.

We all know India won't do anything to solve something that is affecting Pakistan, neither the military option for such a thing is necessary. I'm uneducated on this matter and I wanna know from those who are educated on this matter that whether or not there are steps that Pakistan can take individually to reduce or even eliminate smog from Pakistan?


There is no such thing as Dust clouds causing an increase in air pollution (at this extent) in fact particulate matter in this case ( Smog ) is one of the easiest cases to be dealt with by simply using forced prevention of stumble burning , the other complex compounds including organic or inorganic is entirely a different thing all together.
It's very simple Just ban this old practice by educating farmers and providing them cheap alternate which I know becomes bit complicated but it has to be done.

@Joe Shearer Decisive Military action is the inevitable way as long as Kashmir remains a dispute in the long term be it war in case of water or smog it's the same thing , war is always fought for gains reason or not reason.

If anything history teaches us , we all know it's gonna happen anyways.
Today or tomorrow , unless sense comes into the public office holders in the east.

Apologies me being harsh on you Indian friends , I'm the strongest supporter of south Asian prosperity , I love yall lol .
I get critical of everybody including Chinese and Pakistanis.

@nair sir we all know there is only one possible outcome of Kashmir and that is war, people like me who love the sounds of war gunfire and artillery will be happy yet sorry for the state of common folks.
If the war reaches New Delhi or Lahore who knows !! But we all know it's coming sooner or later.
 
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Simply
No one can’t do nothing and if both countries serious about future they can reduce it.
Having same problem in Japan the smog from China cross all ocean and covered japan for days.
Or just pray wind waves flow opposite:tup:
 
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1370001/smog-natures-revenge

Smog: nature’s revenge
Editorial November 12, 2017


AS the smog persists over Punjab and parts of KP, plunging cities like Lahore and Peshawar into a dark and depressive atmosphere, the sheer helplessness of the authorities as well as the citizens is striking. Aside from occasional remarks that the smog is ‘coming from across the border’, the response from the authorities thus far has been stasis. This is not entirely surprising for a number of reasons. First amongst these is that the authorities have long sunk into a mindset that their only job is to undertake glitzy, high-visibility, infrastructure projects. Subjects like creating and enforcing emissions standards for industry and road vehicles or monitoring air quality, to take two examples, simply do not register on their radar as serious responsibilities. With such a mindset, it is no surprise that they shrug off a phenomenon like the smog as somebody else’s problem. It may be true that much of the smog is coming from across the border, but that does not mean it is not a problem for Lahore or Peshawar or the many other towns and cities in between.

Across the border, officials are at least meeting and trying to come up with a robust action plan to mitigate the impact of the smog. Schools have been shut, cars are being discouraged through a hike in parking fees as well as the ‘odd even’ system where cars with even and odd registration numbers are allowed on the streets on alternate days. A plan is being considered to aerially spray Delhi with water, though it might be far-fetched to think of this as a solution. Where are the authorities of the Punjab and KP provincial governments in all this? Having had the same experience last year, was an effort made to try and reduce the volume of emissions in their own jurisdiction?

The smog may well be coming largely from across the border, but it is wrong to say that it is entirely the result of crop burning there. The large, informal steel smelters of Badami Bagh in Lahore make their own contributions to emissions, as well as the many clusters of informal industry that operate almost entirely out of the reach of the state. The mindsets of those running the provincial governments need to change urgently about the nature of the deliverables of government. Beyond high-visibility projects, if appropriate attention is not given to issues like clear air quality, sewage treatment, clean drinking water, and the many other ‘soft’ deliverables of governance, the consequences of human activity like the uncontrolled spread of industry with no regard for environmental impact, or the mushroom growth of vehicular traffic with no real enforcement of emissions rules, will always return with a vengeance to neutralise whatever gains the government can boast of otherwise.

Published in Dawn, November 12th, 2017
 
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India itself is the worst victim of smog. Indians have made tremendous sacrifices because of the smog. The world must recognize India's sacrifices.
 
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Pak government is silent on all matters. What is the purpose of evening having a government?
 
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Burning crops has been going on from ever, but the addition is the industrial pollution by design.
Pakistan FO should have taken India to international courts long ago.
Pakistan only function better under army, otherwise its just available for sale to everyone.

Why not media ask the views of popular politicians on India?
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/world/asia/lahore-smog-pakistan.html

In Lahore, Pakistan, Smog Has Become a ‘Fifth Season’


By MEHREEN ZAHRA-MALIKNOV. 10, 2017

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Street vendors in Lahore, Pakistan, on Monday. “You can actually touch the filth,” a resident said.CreditK.M. Chaudary/Associated Press


LAHORE, Pakistan — For nearly two weeks, Lahore, Pakistan’s second-largest city, has been like one huge airport smokers’ lounge. But Abid Omar’s jaw still dropped on Wednesday, when he checked the air-quality monitor he had installed to track the city’s appalling pollution.

It said that levels of the dangerous particulates known as PM2.5, small enough to penetrate deep into the lungs and enter the bloodstream, had reached 1,077 micrograms per cubic meter — more than 30 times what Pakistan’s government considers the safe limit.

“You can see and smell the smoke all day; you can actually touch the filth,” said Amna Manan, a 26-year-old manager for a multinational company in Lahore, a city of 11 million. “Half the time, I’m scared to breathe in.”

While Delhi’s air quality has generated headlines worldwide in recent days, experts say the air in Lahore rivals the Indian capital’s for toxicity. The problem is not limited to the city; in 2015, according to a World Health Organization estimate, almost 60,000 Pakistanis died from the high level of fine particles in the air, one of the world’s highest death tolls from air pollution.

For years, Pakistani environmentalists have referred to November, when crop burning, higher emissions and cold weather combine to blanket Lahore and the rest of Punjab Province with acrid smog, as a “fifth season.” As in India, which Punjab borders, the problem seems to be growing worse, and this month it has reached what many Pakistanis are calling a crisis point.

Yet there is little official data on the sources of the pollution, or on just how bad the air actually is. In announcing a new antismog policy this month, the Punjab government admitted it had “scant” air quality data, saying only that the official safety limit for PM2.5 particles, 35 micrograms per cubic meter, was “exceeded frequently.”

Naseem-ur-Rehman, a director at Punjab’s Environment Protection Department, admitted that the government had bought six air-quality monitors last year but never installed them — until last week, when a public outcry over the lack of data led to a scramble to set them up across Lahore. He said the department was “closely monitoring the situation,” but as of Thursday it was still not releasing air-quality numbers.

“This is a crisis of data,” said Ahmad Rafay Alam, an environmental lawyer and activist in Lahore. He said six meters were insufficient for a city the size of Lahore, let alone for all of Punjab.

In the absence of official information, some Pakistanis have taken matters into their own hands. One is Mr. Omar, who installed air monitors in Lahore, Islamabad, Peshawar and Karachi, where he lives. He has set up Twitter accounts to post the readings in real time.

Mr. Omar was inspired by his experience living in Beijing, where the American Embassy changed the debate about pollution years ago by publishing air-quality readings on Twitter. The Chinese authorities were ultimately prompted to set up dozens of air monitoring stations in the capital and across China.

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A railway station in Lahore on Wednesday. On Tuesday alone, a dozen people in the city were killed in road accidents linked to poor visibility, the police said. CreditArif Ali/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images


“I realized that in order for air quality to become a national conversation in the way it had in China and to raise awareness about hazards and solutions, we needed the numbers to be out there,” said Mr. Omar, whose Pakistan Air Quality Initiative publishes data about air pollution and information about its effects on health.

Mr. Omar’s Twitter updates have prompted many of Lahore’s middle- and upper-class residents to buy air purifiers and don face masks.

Another activist, Aysha Raja, who runs a popular bookstore in Lahore, started a Facebook group called Citizens for Clean Air, to discuss possible solutions to the smog problem and put pressure on the government to address it.


“The political will is missing on the government side,” Ms. Raja said. “We the public need to act as a pressure group, as a watchdog, to make sure that they do something effective.”

The throat-burning, eye-stinging smoke plaguing Punjab has created problems beyond the obvious health concerns. On Tuesday alone, at least a dozen people were killed in road accidents linked to poor visibility in Lahore, according to the police. Major highways have been intermittently closed because of the visibility problems.

Thirteen power plants that run on fuel oil have been shut down since last weekend, and power generation has been cut back at four others, leading to daily outages of more than 12 hours in many urban areas. At one Lahore hospital alone, more than 500 people have been arriving daily with complaints of respiratory difficulties and eye irritation.

“Lahore looks like a dystopian wasteland right now, kind of like a scene from ‘Blade Runner,’” said Adil Ghazi, a business owner.

The Punjab government says it has taken several emergency measures, including a ban on burning crops and solid waste. It says that more than 100 people have been arrested for crop burning and that hundreds of factories have been shut down for not having proper emission-control equipment. The Lahore traffic police say that they have collected more than $50,000 in fines in recent days from drivers whose vehicles did not meet emissions standards and that two centers have been set up for checking commercial vehicles for compliance.

But environmentalists say a real solution would require much more serious measures: improving fuel quality, phasing out fuel-guzzling cars, introducing solar and other renewable sources of energy, planting trees on a large scale and improving public transportation to reduce the number of cars on the roads.

“There is a lot of media interest in the story and public anger right now, so emergency measures are being taken, but a long-term solution doesn’t seem to be a priority,” Mr. Alam said. “The sense of urgency has to be sustained.”

Most important, he said, the government needs to stop looking for others to blame, including India, whose crop fires Pakistani environmental officials have blamed for the worsening smog this year.

“No doubt smoke from crop burning in India is a big problem, but let’s not pretend we don’t have our own part to play in this crisis,” Mr. Omar said. “The government needs to acknowledge the problem and create awareness.”

A version of this article appears in print on November 13, 2017, on Page A11 of the New York edition with the headline: Forecast for Lahore’s ‘Fifth Season’: A Blanket of Toxic Smog . Order Reprints| Today's Paper|Subscribe
 
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As wretched as the situation is in Lahore and especially in Delhi. Both countries ought to work on it themselves. In the US and Europe, major cities dealt with smog and pollution problems very effectively. Granted it's easier for developed economies that aren't seeing a rapid expansion of urban populations. But surely getting rid of air pollution doesn't have to be a confrontational issue between adversaries?
 
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As wretched as the situation is in Lahore and especially in Delhi. Both countries ought to work on it themselves. In the US and Europe, major cities dealt with smog and pollution problems very effectively. Granted it's easier for developed economies that aren't seeing a rapid expansion of urban populations. But surely getting rid of air pollution doesn't have to be a confrontational issue between adversaries?


You may find this paper interesting:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13717-016-0050-8

Planting trees will definitely help!
 
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Pakistani government? Ever since the disqualification, there has been no sign of authority in the last few months except the appointed one. Given behind the scene between the democracy and the main establishment, they have real crisis which makes this smog pollution seems pales unfortunately.

Even then, Pakistani government or the main establishment would be helpless given the source of the smog population falls on India and its Indian government who has been incompetent given the minority intolerance in the name of beef laws, demonetization, rape capital and much worse.

Good luck getting India to eradicate smog pollution when they can't even bring local toilets for the common people - so much for the bragging rights of so-called progressive economical nation.
 
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I am surprise Indian Punjab CM refused to listen central govt about this issue. They gave him plan, but Punjab govt is not ready to implement. It's spreading cancer in the region.
 
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I am surprise Indian Punjab CM refused to listen central govt about this issue. They gave him plan, but Punjab govt is not ready to implement. It's spreading cancer in the region.

They should be taken to court.
 
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