Pakistani-Canadians: Falling below the poverty line

[xyxmt]

Indian (mostly Sikhs) are settled there for 5 decades, Pakistani have just started coming there in last 20 years. As far as home ownership, lots of Pakistani are consider mortgages as unIslamic, Pakistani will always have less home ownership than others. they are stupid and paying someone else's mortgage. about a year ago I watched a documentory on Sikh immigrants and how they live 4 or 5 families in a single house and renting house to other to come and sleep when owner who works at night. so stop pay attention to these documentries, everyone who comes to Canada struggles in the begining. The other thing 80% Pakistani's I know are single income families whereas every Sikh above the age of 16 works. We have different priorities than most

 

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Here in the UK many of the Pakistani community are unemployed.

Many extended family live among others. This type of lifestyle makes leeches, and folks who aren;t willing to push themselves because they don't have to and have family to fall back on.
And a lot of Pakistanis are setting up businesses that go bust.

Small fast food restaurants, multiple on one bloody street.
of course one of them is bound to fail, it's common sense.

And the British born kids of Pakistani origin, a lot of them are lazy, flunk school.

Out of all the ethnic minorities Pakistani and Bangladeshis have the lowest average income, behind Afro-Caribbean and far behind Indian and Chinese.

sad but true

What could be reason for this ? Because community is not open enough to mix with main stream society and second generation of never got chance to mix because of their parents and now they are British but they are lost in transition.
I have heard some very disturbing news from first hand accounts here, which I don't want to discuss. But in nutshell I will blame parents, who came to foreign land but never tried to mixed with society or try to understand their culture. Always try to make their children like them, biggest problem in our culture and end result is some confused second generation kid who can't decide what to do.

 

[iPhone]

could it be that they are not reporting their actual income for tax evasion purposes? lot of people working off the book employment, self employed or buisness owner prefer to report low income to get out of paying hefty taxes at the end of the year.

 

[Hello_10]

Here in the UK many of the Pakistani community are unemployed.

Many extended family live among others. This type of lifestyle makes leeches, and folks who aren;t willing to push themselves because they don't have to and have family to fall back on.
And a lot of Pakistanis are setting up businesses that go bust.

Small fast food restaurants, multiple on one bloody street.
of course one of them is bound to fail, it's common sense.

And the British born kids of Pakistani origin, a lot of them are lazy, flunk school.

Out of all the ethnic minorities Pakistani and Bangladeshis have the lowest average income, behind Afro-Caribbean and far behind Indian and Chinese.

sad but true

your experience and the report as below is quite similar

Poverty statistics | Institute of Race Relations

In 2011, according to the Office for National Statistics, 56 per cent of black males aged 16-24 in the UK were unemployed – more than double the proportion of white males in the same age group (21 per cent of whom were unemployed). Between 2008 and 2011 the unemployment rate for black people aged 16-24 increased at almost twice the rate of white people in the same age group.[5]

People from BME groups are frequently paid poorer wages than white British people. According to the Trust for London and the New Policy Institute, more than one third of Pakistani and Bangladeshi employees in the capital are paid below the London Living Wage (£8.30 per hour): a proportion which is over twice as high as white British employees.

 

[Hello_10]

your experience and the report as below is quite similar

i dont want to look on the issue on the religious side, but, here we find unemployment rate of Indians in UK is around 8% by April 2011 in this official report, while total Muslim population in India is 18%..... hence I guess, even if Muslims dont perform so well in India, they are doing pretty good in UK/US as compare to other South Asian countries

even without any demand for reservation in UK, like in India as below:

The Indian Muslims, who have suffered decades of social and economic neglect, are complaining of unfulfilled politicians’ promises of benefits, including quotas in government jobs, like those available for low-caste Hindus, according to a US media report. “We are way behind them,” Murtaza Mansuri, who repairs rickshaws for a living, told New York Times on Saturday.

“Reservation is essential for Muslims. If we don’t get education, we will remain backward, while others move forward and forward,” he was quoted as saying in the course of a dispatch published Saturday on the deteriorating situation of long-suffering Muslims in India.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...hen-other-minorities-india.html#ixzz22MCzTqAk

 

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Acknowledging vital role of 300,000 Pakistanis in the Canadian society, the Chairman Senate Syed Nayyar Hussain Bokhari, Thursday, said that remittances sent by them were important contribution to Pakistani economy.

While talking to Speaker of the Canadian Senate Noel A. Kinsella on the sidelines of 127th Assembly of Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU) here he added that Pakistan offered conducive environment for foreign direct investment particularly in the energy sector.

Both leaders were of the view that Pakistan and Canada enjoyed close and historical relations. They also shared the desire to further promote and strengthen the relationship particularly through developing trade ties between the two countries.

The Canadian speaker said that the people from Pakistan were the pioneers in building and developing modern Canada. He said that professors from Pakistan, who were working in 90 Canadian universities, had played a critical role in the scientific achievements in Canada.

 

[liontk]

i disagree with this notion that pakistani are not hardworking(my pakistani grandpapa is an example of canadian success), but rather point to the possibility of pakistani community not integrating with the general population at large and and tend of live in segregated community like in some regions of ontario(keeping in mind there is nothing wrong with that. however living in a segregated community limits your opportunities in the society. As far as the Pakistani community outside of ontario, especially in quebec are very successful and most of them can converse in langue de francais and anglais as well. So I think location and opportunities are a big factor, as far as racism goes, I think there is less racism now then it was in the 60s as my grandpapa tells me the stories of discrimination he faced and my grandmama had it even worse for marrying a color person . still he was able to overcome the hurdles that the society put in front of him. so I think racism arguement now a days is being an overplayed card keeping in mind I am 25% pakistani myself, which makes me a minority too. As long as you work hard, there is nothing holding you back from achieving the canadienne dream.

Sorry for this rambling, anglais is not first langue so its hard for me to express myself.

to all the fellow muslims out there, appartenant à Moubarak << pour le EID>>>

 

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i disagree with this notion that pakistani are not hardworking(my pakistani grandpapa is an example of canadian success), but rather point to the possibility of pakistani community not integrating with the general population at large and and tend of live in segregated community like in some regions of ontario(keeping in mind there is nothing wrong with that. however living in a segregated community limits your opportunities in the society. As far as the Pakistani community outside of ontario, especially in quebec are very successful and most of them can converse in langue de francais and anglais as well. So I think location and opportunities are a big factor, as far as racism goes, I think there is less racism now then it was in the 60s as my grandpapa tells me the stories of discrimination he faced and my grandmama had it even worse for marrying a color person . still he was able to overcome the hurdles that the society put in front of him. so I think racism arguement now a days is being an overplayed card keeping in mind I am 25% pakistani myself, which makes me a minority too. As long as you work hard, there is nothing holding you back from achieving the canadienne dream.

Sorry for this rambling, anglais is not first langue so its hard for me to express myself.

to all the fellow muslims out there, appartenant à Moubarak << pour le EID>>>

Bonjour!
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Today's news:

Pakistan wants to further strengthen relations with Canada

ISLAMABAD: The Chairman Senate Syed Nayyar Hussain Bokhari said on Thursday that Pakistan wanted to further promote and strengthen the relationship particularly through developing trade ties with Canada.

He said this during a meeting with the Speaker of the Canadian Senate Noel A. Kinsella on the sidelines of 127th Assembly of Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU) in Quebec City, according to a press release.

Both Leaders were of the view that Pakistan and Canada enjoyed close and historical relations.

The Canadian speaker said that the people from Pakistan were the pioneers in building and developing modern Canada.

He said that professors from Pakistan, who were working in 90 Canadian universities, had played a critical role in the scientific achievements in Canada.

Chairman Senate, while acknowledging the positive role of over 300,000 Pakistanis in the Canadian society, said that Pakistan has been receiving remittances from them which was an important contribution in the economy.

He said that Pakistan offered conducive environment for foreign direct investment particularly in the energy sector.

He also highlighted the challenges which Pakistan was facing, as a front state, in the war against terrorism.

He said that Pakistan had suffered the most in the war as it lost more than 40,000 people.

He said that international community must assist Pakistan in overcoming this challenge and it was possible only if all players worked in cohesion.

The Canadian Speaker expressed his sympathies with Pakistan on the loss of lives.

He appreciated the role and resolve of Pakistan in fighting terrorism. He said that economic development was a tool to enable youth to divert and spend its energies.

He added that lack of economic growth frustrates the young people and they were tempted to do wrong things.

The Canadian Speaker said that the politicians bore the responsibility to be creative and helpful to governments in formulating effective economic policies.

The Chairman Senate, while agreeing to his counterpart's views, said that the parliaments must play their due role and therefore parliamentary exchanges would provide opportunities to learn from each other's experience.

The Chairman Senate responded that it was important to see things first hand.

In this context, he extended as invitation to the Canadian Speaker to visit Pakistan along with members of Canada-Pakistan Friendship Group in the Canadian Senate.

He said that the visit would enable the Canadian Senators to understand Pakistan's security challenges and compulsions.

Chairman Senate Syed Nayyar Hussain Bokhari also met the Speaker of the Indian Lok Sabha (Parliament) in Quebec City on the sidelines of the Assembly of Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU).

Both leaders agreed on the importance of frequent parliamentary exchanges as a tool to strengthen people-to-people contacts between the two countries.

They also shared the view that the parliamentarians from both sides had played vital role in the rapprochement between Pakistan and India.

They expressed their commitment to continue to play this role in promoting dialogue and resolving bilateral issues.

The Indian Speaker, while recalling her visit to Pakistan early this year, said that she found the Pakistani people very open, forthcoming and hospitable.

She also said that her visit was the first ever bilateral visit by any Indian Speaker and that she would be visiting Pakistan again in early November to attend the SAARC Speakers Conference.

The Indian Speaker said that 42 political parties had representation in the Indian Parliament and each party had its own position on a range of issues.

Chairman Senate, while reciprocating the desire for good neighbourly relations with India, said that dialogue was the only way to address issues between the two countries.

He also said that both countries were facing similar problems like poverty malnutrition, illiteracy, etc. therefore, both countries could learn from each other's experience and thus address the issues more effectively.

Chairman Senate said that the Parliament of Pakistan would look forward to her second visit to Pakistan in November.

He said that the Parliament represents views and desires of people therefore it would be useful to enhance parliamentary interaction between the two countries.

The Indian Speaker endorsed the views of the Chairman Senate.

The Indian Speaker said that the visa agreement signed during the visit of the Indian Foreign Minister to Pakistan in September would fulfill the popular demand from both sides to relax the visa regime.

The Chairman Senate said that the new visa agreement was another positive indicator of growing bilateral relations.

He said that the parliamentarians, as responsible representatives. should take initiatives to address the issues being faced by the people of two countries and come up with practical solutions.

Pakistan wants to further strengthen relations with Canada