Pakistani Ballistic Missiles: Indigenous Content & Development

[Xeric]

Maulana Sahab , Zaeef riwayat mei INS ka zikar bhi milta hai

Tab hi to apka fatwa manga hai sarkar

Shariat ki khamooshi ki wajah se hi alim k paas aya hun

We have a few things up our sleeves too. Shariat unkay baray mai khamosh hai bhai

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Considering the level of corruption within the key organizations, and the rate at which our economy is going down the drain. I would not be so sure about rapid developments.

All that you hear these days within the grapevines is not about developments but about how much commission or how much perks the people incharge of our most sensitive secrets have bamboozled away.

Is it lucrative to join Pak Army and become a general some day?

Apart from the obvious allocated land on top of the real estate business (key corps), how much are the commissions generally speaking?

I am thinking to send my kids in the army when I have one.


You think it will pay off?

 

[SQ8]

Is it lucrative to join Pak Army and become a general some day?

Apart from the obvious allocated land on top of the real estate business (key corps), how much are the commissions generally speaking?

I am thinking to send my kids in the army when I have one.


You think it will pay off?

Possibly it might.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

We have a few things up our sleeves too. Shariat unkay baray mai khamosh hai bhai

Hello Xeric.

What are the recent developments?

 

[AUz]

Hello Xeric.

What are the recent developments?

He won't know...or tell.

Recent developments aren't known by Army officers...but rather high-level generals/scientists working in secret nuclear/missile program.

 

[najeeb ahmed]

Shaheen 2 is a great invention ok pakistan army...

 

[Windjammer]

Found this piece of interesting info on FB, wonder how accurate is it, can you guys shed some light on it.

@The Deterrent @Oscar @Manticore @Xeric

 

[SQ8]

Pretty much what most ballistic missiles do when it comes to flight.
The mentioned targeting system may not be accurate or if so not in widespread use.

 

[Bilal.]

Pretty much what most ballistic missiles do when it comes to flight.
The mentioned targeting system may not be accurate or if so not in widespread use.

Does the said targeting system, even if not in widespread use, open the possibility of targeting enemy aircraft carrier with a BM?

 

[Windjammer]

Pretty much what most ballistic missiles do when it comes to flight.
The mentioned targeting system may not be accurate or if so not in widespread use.

Glad you are still with us dear, .....what about the said speed and the flight deviation tactics.

 

[The Deterrent]

Found this piece of interesting info on FB, wonder how accurate is it, can you guys shed some light on it.

@The Deterrent @Oscar @Manticore @Xeric

Fantasies, mostly taken from wikipedia (referring to the "zaawiya" and "radar" part, on the right hand side).

The speed might be exaggerated, and the altitude mentioned is ambiguous...so can't say much about Speed & Altitude, as no accurate figures are available for comparison.

 

[Xeric]

Found this piece of interesting info on FB, wonder how accurate is it, can you guys shed some light on it.

@The Deterrent @Oscar @Manticore @Xeric

Not accurate.

 

[shaheenmissile]

Haseeb,Windy,Oscar. the Infographic was created by me. I bumped into this thread and you guys rubbishing my hard work. Very naughty of you

The stats were based on a similar Indian missile Agni-3 . Same/similar range hence the Apogee must be same or similar. Terminal velocity of Agni-3 is stated as greater than mach-12 , but in high high trajectory it can reach mach 15. Agni-3 Apogee for a range of 2200 Km was 384Km. I wrote Shaheen-2 Apogee for 2000Km as 300Km which was a safe estimate based ion known facts about a similar missile.

terminal radar guidance has been mentioned by many defense analysts. Pakistan has been working on a radar based terminal guidance system for many years. So that is not fantasy .

Changing trajectory for dodging Incoming ABM fire was an assumption made on the basis of sideways rocket motors fitted to warhead assembly of shaheen-2. Earlier pics had black dots on sides of the warhead. You can google those pics. Those round black dots were said to be sideways rocket motors by many.

A telemetry video for Agni-3 is available on youtube and vimeo search for
AGNI 3 BALLISTIC MISSILE LAUNCH NUCLEAR MISSILE , INDIA |(i cannot post video or url)|

Based on this video of a similar missile to shaheen-2 a calculation was done by me

We have Data for 240.4 seconds.

674.5 (when sensors go offline) Minus 434.1 seconds when the missile is at Apogee (I am taking apogee point as start point as the missile enters greatest acceleration after this)

So in 240.4 seconds the missile travels 2162 KM (last known Range) Minus 1218 KM (Range at apogee)
Thats 944 KM travelled in 240.4 seconds

This gives us a speed of 3.93 KM per seconds at Altitude of 182.5 KM (Last known Altitude)..thats distance covered in horizontal Plane?


Also the missile Apogee was 348 KM and last reading was 182.5 KM. Thats a change in altitude downwards of 165.5 KM in same time 240.4 seconds
That means a distance of 165.5 KM traveled in z axis or vertical plane.


This gives us a Right angle triangle with Perpendicular of 165.5 KM and a Base of 944 KM

Now solve the Right angle triangle.


Thats 958 KM angular distance covered in 240.4 seconds

or 3.98 KM per second.

No we take 3980 Meter/Second as initial velocity , acceleration due to Gravity as 9.8 m/s and distance traveled as 60500 meters (thats the difference between the altitude at which speed calculated and that was 182.5 KM minus Re-entry into atmosphere altitude of 122KM)

Now using newtonian equations and assuming the missile a free falling body with Initial velocity of 3980 M/S.

The Velocity at altitude 122KM (Assumed Re-entry altitude) will be 4126 M/s or 4.1 KM/S

Thats Mach 12 on Re-entry

I divided the parabolic path in two right angle triangles for simplicity and the resultant speed was mach 12. But if i had done true spherical trigonometric calculations the distance covered in the same time must have come ot to me bore and speed must have come out to be more than mach 12. hence the assumption of mach-15 for Sheheen-2.

So there you go..the infographic in question was not a bunch of doodaa and was based on realistic comparisons and well founded assumptions.

hope it helps.

 

[Thirdfront]

Haseeb,Windy,Oscar. the Infographic was created by me. I bumped into this thread and you guys rubbishing my hard work. Very naughty of you

The stats were based on a similar Indian missile Agni-3 . Same/similar range hence the Apogee must be same or similar. Terminal velocity of Agni-3 is stated as greater than mach-12 , but in high high trajectory it can reach mach 15. Agni-3 Apogee for a range of 2200 Km was 384Km. I wrote Shaheen-2 Apogee for 2000Km as 300Km which was a safe estimate based ion known facts about a similar missile.

terminal radar guidance has been mentioned by many defense analysts. Pakistan has been working on a radar based terminal guidance system for many years. So that is not fantasy .

Changing trajectory for dodging Incoming ABM fire was an assumption made on the basis of sideways rocket motors fitted to warhead assembly of shaheen-2. Earlier pics had black dots on sides of the warhead. You can google those pics. Those round black dots were said to be sideways rocket motors by many.

A telemetry video for Agni-3 is available on youtube and vimeo search for
AGNI 3 BALLISTIC MISSILE LAUNCH NUCLEAR MISSILE , INDIA |(i cannot post video or url)|

Based on this video of a similar missile to shaheen-2 a calculation was done by me



I divided the parabolic path in two right angle triangles for simplicity and the resultant speed was mach 12. But if i had done true spherical trigonometric calculations the distance covered in the same time must have come ot to me bore and speed must have come out to be more than mach 12. hence the assumption of mach-15 for Sheheen-2.

So there you go..the infographic in question was not a bunch of doodaa and was based on realistic comparisons and well founded assumptions.

hope it helps.

Your basic assumption, viz similar rage = similar apogee, is wrong.

 

[rana shamsher]

Nuclear Economics should play a great role, if our policy maker use it.

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