Actually, the point was you lot lie on a regular basis , without an iota of shame.
The point is that you ranting that we lie doesn't prove sh!t. You still remain the most ignorant nation in the world due to your lies that you believe in and that would remain the same until your nation starts accepting truth then we might see a decline in your rank in ignorance.
How did those sartaj dossiers fare again?
Enough to make you rant and that you remember even after so many months.
Oh that's right every self respecting nation gave you the middle finger for perpetrating such lies on a world scale.
Yeah right. In your dreams. Or else we have excellent relations with most nations of the world.
Also, its really funny how pakistanis cry about dispersing rioters with pellet guns when you yourselves kill 21500 civilians in around a decade with actual weapons.
We killed 21500 of our civilians? Where? Oh in your delusional world based on your poor comprehension skills and pathetic intellect. Nope we didn't 21500 of our civilians and that would be explained later in your post when I further how moronic you are for saying anything like this.
Yes there is, its called the UNSC and the ICC.
Nope it is called restraint for own people by Pakistan. UNSC or ICC can't stop us from killing your soldiers again and again. Beheading and mutilating them again and again as per your allegations. From doing Kargil. From doing Captain Saurabh Kalia as per your claims. So surely it couldn't stop us from killing civilians if really wanted to.
You use Kashmiris as cover on your side and mortar kashmiris on our side when you are frustrated with your loses.
That's what you are told being an Indian army fanboy anda troll but numbers from past several years deny this bullsh!t story of yours.
How else can you explain our civilians dying when our posts are nowhere near our populace like yours are.
go check again. In many sectors civilians are present very close to Indian posts. In fact all along LOC we have villages with people in them on both sides of LOC. You were lied again by your country. Go check again.
Typical pakistani, resorts to ad hominem when he is being owned 10 times over and cannot disseminate information as long as it is serving his confirmation bias.
Owned? By whom? You? Who is ranting with lies and is still failing at that.
Again, you kill less of our people because unlike the pakistani army we don't use Kashmirs as human shields.
Yeah. Tell this BS to your fellow compatriots. They would accept being an Indian and their love for lies. Don't share this with us.
Its not few at all, but then again why would a pakistani know that.
A Pakistani knows far better than you who top the wold in ignorance. So cut this cr@p.
Sure. I am enjoying them. They support me.
So you again gave us something that supports our position. How foolish of you. Poor Indian intellect I guess
Anyways as per your link in Pakistani border firing in last 13 years(2004-2017) only 50 civilians were killed. That means only 3.4 civilians in a year. As I said. We try to avoid hitting civilians on other side and these numbers prove it.
Or else there is nothing in this world that can stop us from hitting civilians. These numbers are a proof.
Your excuses are supported by sophistry and strawman arguments which is why I can easily give you empirical proof every single time you try to vomit nonsense.
Blah blah. Not interested in your rant hence moving on.
We are downplaying them because they are hardly the norm or used as extensively, but then again I am arguing against a pakistani who hears a small morsel of newer news and goes on to beat it till its a dead bloody horse.
You are downplaying them since you can't stop them except bombing Pakistani civilians. They are being effectively used by Pakistan and would be used in future too. Or else there is no logical reason to downplay them when at least 2 Indian soldiers have died to them in just last 15-16 days unless you don't care about those two poor souls who were given head shots.
And do tell, how many times do you hear about retaliation by means of lmgs or rpgs or mortars from either side? Is it in the same proportion to sniper fire?
Pakistan uses lmgs, rpgs, mortar when needed. There are dozen of reports from Indian media about them so nope your delusion that somehow you use RPG and everyone runs always is just that. It is a delusion.
Clearly you are not keep a good count of the deaths of guys whose fanboy you are
The photo appeared in November 2016 while the exchanges ended in October.
And dozens of soldiers died after November 2016. In fact beheading and mutilations too.
So exchanges might have ended in your dream but in reality they are continuing with no end in sight and more of your "jawans" are going to die.
I know the truth hurts, but we will be doling out more such truths, so get used to it.
Abay what truth? You are wrong and are clearly ignorant with all the ground realities. Why your delusions would hurt me?
Oh did you now?
Were they even remotely like this?
Zarb e azb:
Civilians -21527
Terrorists/ Insurgents -33363
Now coming to this 21527 civilians part.
Idiot. Nonsense bharati. A great majority of these 21527 were killed by terrorists in terror attacks all over Pakistan. In all 4 provinces, in FATA, in GB and AJK. That is more than 875000 sq km of land. Very few of these civilian deaths are due to Pakistani military fire or operations.
We did Operation Zarb e Azb and hence civilians casualties declined massively. Your own PDF report that you presented to as a proof without even reading it says the same.
So first go and learn to comprehend things properly and them come here to teach us "truth". Don't exhibit your pathetic IQ so openly.
Why no need? Coz the actual stats may pop your bubble?
Because you are too dumb for that. Even right now you are showing how big of a fool you are. In fact you showed it the moment when you tried to compare AJK with IOK.
PA face insurgents who aren't even 1/10th as capable as a mature military and half as capable as the terrorists the Americans or any other middle east nation faced or are facing.
I never called it a military. They were terrorists and died as a terrorist. But they were most brutal and most organized terror group in the world. They not only consisted of Pakistanis but also Afghanis, Arabs, Chechens, Uzbeks, Uigurs and many more.
You are comparing some minor tunnel construction protests in Srinagar with something in FATA where people are protesting food and water shortages, non payment of salaries, to be included in the formal constitution since mainland pakistanis are abusing their rights, and over all non inclusion?
Minor tunnel construction protests
There are massive protests in IOK where people openly burn Indian flags, disrespect Indian anthem and everything Indian and proudly shout Hindustan murdabad/ Pakistan Zindabad and demand freedom from Indian occupation. Something that doesn't exist in FATA. Something that would never happen in FATA no matter how much you wet dream about it.
As for non inclusion. Don't worry about it. Very soon they would merged in KPK. We all are working for it. At least you don't need to worry about it. FATA people want you to shoo and buzz off.
Only till we bring out the big guns, then you go back to your hole and raise a white flag.
And again this white flag BS? Didn't I already tell you that this bogus pic was meant to fool you and other Indian fanboys and had no impact on ground or on us.
The picture is from October 2016(not November). should I start counting all those incidents that happened after this date? I don't want to mock any of your dead soldier by if you keep BSing this white flag thingy then I might have to mention all those deaths of Indian soldier that kept on happening despite you were foolishly cheering for this bogus picture.
We have several such videos of Indian bunkers too.
So nah. Not impressed.
So You'll just straight up substitute strawman arguments now, alright.
Well you are world champions in ignorance. And ignorance is byproduct of lies like in your case you live and believe in lies and hence the title of most ignorant nation in the world.
PAKISTAN LITERACY RATE- 56.4%
INDIA LITERACY RATE- 72.1%
That is even worse. This shows that you are being fed lies in your schools hence your rank in ignorance in this world.
Here let me speak slowly.
Pakistan-----army-----provides-----cover-----to-----terrorists-----by-----engaging-----our-----troops-----into-----a-----fire-----fight.
SIMPLE.
Here let me simplify it further.
B U L L S H I T
There you go. Made it very simple for you.
Maybe you have been indoctrinated to such a degree under a theocratic banana republic that a simple fact bounces right off of you.
Still better than getting indoctrinated in a cow republic and become the most ignorant nation in the world.
Well since you believe our media so whole heartedly, according to them we killed 138 of you and suffered only 28 deaths, so you must believe that as well?
Lol you are getting desperate now.
For neutrality and impartiality i only take Pakistani casualties from Pakistani media and Indian casualties from Indian media. I don't accept Indian casualties in Pakistani media and I am not going to accept Pakistani casualties in Indian media.
It is simple logic. Might be too much for you but still simple logic.
Wow you saved so many......
Zarb e azb:
Civilians -21527
Terrorists/ Insurgents -33363
The final operation in NWA that is Operation Zarb e Azb happened in June 2014. Now see the decline of civilian casualties from your own PDF proof that you didn't bother to read.
2014 1781 civilian casualties
2015 940
2016 612
2017 38 (till February 5)
Got it? Saw the continuous decline? That is how we saved by our operation and that is what is beyond your ability to understand.
Oh yawn, when you say they "controlled" areas they basically extorted the locals and hid in caves lol.
No need to show your ignorance. We know you belong to the most ignorant nation in the world.
But TTP didn't hide in caves. It was the most organized terror group in the world and controled whole towns and valleys covering thousands of sq km.
This looks hiding in cave to you?
They operated openly. They had their own courts. One system of governance. Lived among civilians in towns and cities. So keep this hiding in case thing to you. Go read about TTP operations and how they operated without in various parts of Pakistan.
Don't even compare them to the more main stream terrorist groups who have SRBMs and SAMs, APCs and the like.
Which terror group have SRBM? TTP had SAM and APC. They had anti aircraft guns. We found thousands of tonnes of explosives from their hide outs. Hundreds and thousands of latest guns of all kind. They fighters from all over Pakistan ranging in thousands and even from many different other regions of the world. They had alliance with other terror groups like Al Qaeda, ETIM, IMU and other international terrorist organizations.
So yeah rag tag
So yeah they were rag tag.
They sure were.
Far brutal than anything you faced.
LOL, we have been engaging in urban operations and jungle warfare without inflicting as many civilian casualties as you and without using jets or tanks in kashmir for decades on end, fighting in desert plains is far easier, ask the americans.
Once more. The great majority of those civilian casualties include deaths from terror attacks from all over Pakistan. So first read and understand report and then rant over here. Don;t make a fool of yourself in such a pathetic manner.
Its hard for countries that have a free press and where the government and intelligence agencies don't kill journalists for telling the truth.
In Pakistan its very easy.
Says someone who tops the world in journalist deaths.
Lol we are talking about non existence of revolt in FATA and you are presenting me a paid campaign for Balochistan in New York.
Do you even know that FATA and Balochistan are two different regions?
Come on bharati. Don't lose your marbles so quickly. After all you are here to tell us the "truth"
Why not? Truth to bitter for you?
Because you are already losing your mind. I am being kind on you.
Its already a recognized initiative, so cry all you want, coz its more than one pic.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/nea...100-bunkers-being-built-for-civilians-1779589
We do the same on our side. But still civilian casualties are high due to your cowardice and your nature of deliberately attacking civilians.
AJK govt given heads-up for evacuation of LoC villages
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1231409/ajk-govt-given-heads-evacuation-loc-villages/
PM approves protection bunkers for civilian population along LoC
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1554883/1-pm-approves-protection-bunkers-civilian-population-along-loc/
So we also take precautions that are possible but there is no precaution possible to your cowardice that is natural to you and your military.
Firstly, how does that report prove indoctrination?
Ignorance comes from indoctrination and continuous propaganda. You are victim of your own propaganda and lies.
Secondly, its a biased report.
Only about views of muslims in India.
But the report is not by muslims or Pakistan. So very lame excuse to be honest.
Not about minorities in Pakistan, we all know what pakistan does to them.
The report is about level of ignorance in India and not minorities in India/Pakistan. Your prejudices against minorities are important reason for your high level of ignorance and hene they mentioned it.
So lets not talk about indoctrination when Pakistan a banana republic has regular military coups and has a biased unfree media as compared to us.
Says a citizen of cow republic where vote for pogroms and parliament is full of people with criminal offenses.
LOL Kashmiri politicians are finally being put to the task, enjoy hating him coz he will give you a $hit load of reasons to hate you during his term.
There goes the "freedom of Indian administered Kashmir" that you were bragging about down the drain.
We don't need to hate him. His own not very integral part citizens hate him a lot. And he can't do any harm to us or even to Kashmiris.
Read it, ate it, $hat it out.
No one takes that nonsense seriously outside of pdf, but do keep crying
Read what? That we made terrorists to run away and thus brought down civilian casualties massively? Well I already know that. Thanks for confirming it again.
The point is these are the figures.
Zarb e azb:
Civilians -21527
Terrorists/ Insurgents -33363
The fact is that you due to your poor understanding of these matter and your national ignorance failed to understand these figures and made a complete idiot of yourself.
It doesn't matter if you killed less later on, the fact is you KILLED and more than anything we have ever done in that short period of time.
Meh
Then why be a hypocrite and deny it Pakistani?
I never denied it either. You didn't understand my post. Go read it again and don't let your poor intellect to make you go idiot again.
Maybe the truth was too much to bear for an indoctrinated Pakistani.
Your so called proofs are supporting my position and here you are bragging about them that they are somehow difficult for me to accept.
What a joke you bharatis are
PDF pakistanis are a special breed, you lot come in as a normal "India hating pakistani" and come out as "India hating pakistanis in denial".
And still you are here getting humiliated by PDF Pakistanis. Typical Indian obsession with Pakistan.
Anyways we do hate you. That is a fact. We hate you for your lies. We hate you for your filthy mentality and for you being ugly inside and outside.
Anyways no matter how much you hate PDF Pakistanis, you are still here ranting with them. Typical Pakistan obsessed bharati.
Yeah, you just chant "death to India", "ghazwa e hind" during election time.
No we don't. That actually happens in your country. India is a non issue in elections in Pakistan.
There you have it, that is the mullah speaking in you.
Control sanghi inside you
You are basically saying, "I am not gonna accept anything that does not skew to my confirmation bias".
It basically means that I don't even want to debate about AJK and IOK since the difference between the two is too clear. AJK is the most peaceful region of Pakistan while IOK is a hell where thousands have died and are still dying thanks to your occupation of Kashmir.
A blatant example of a pakistani who is so allergic to the truth that he will deny a source which is not even Indian and is free of Indian influence.
Your source is meaningless since it only focuses on one aspect and doesn't about all the other factors. Even in that factor that you are proudly presenting there is only a minor difference. The scores from that report you keep presenting are just slightly ahead of Pakistan. The atoot ang of largest democracy is partially free as per your own favorite report. Bah. Big deal.
Now coming to matters that are more important than any freedom brownie points. These were also my six questions that you didn't answer because you couldn't.
Curfews:
In year 2016 only Indian imposed 60 days long curfew in Kashmir
IOK: 2 months straight curfew in 2016
AJK: 0 curfews in 2016
Source:
http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/...s-60-days-longest-ever-in-history/227790.html
Internet Shutdowns:
IOK: 29 times in year 2017
AJK: 0
Source:
https://tech.economictimes.indiatim...-shut-down-internet-29-times-in-2017/59627417
Civilian Deaths by Security Forces:
IOK: Dozens killed by security forces
AJK: 0
Source:
https://scroll.in/article/839887/en...-has-seen-almost-daily-armed-violence-in-2017
Unmarked Mass Graves:
IOK: 2080 mass graves
AJK: 0
Source:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...3800-mass-graves-kashmir-171103114819966.html
Fake Encounters:
IOK: Dozens
AJK: 0
Source:
http://www.firstpost.com/india/kash...oes-for-a-toss-under-afspa-cover-3981593.html
Number of People injured by Pellet Guns:
IOK: Thousands in year 2016 alone
AJK: 0
Source:
http://www.aljazeera.com/video/news...ian-administered-kashmir-170423052248825.html
LOL, there you go pakistani delusion at its worst.
Says someone who doesn't even accept his own sources and calls them presstitutes. Delusions are your forte not ours.
LOL, first let people in Pak Kashmir vote in untampered elections and represent themselves without jailing them, then talk about what our Kashmiris think, at least we let our people vote.
Don't worry about our elections. They are least priority for people of AJK and hence nobody is revolting against Pakistan in AJK despite all your lies. Just stop killing civilians in for just few days and who know you might actually get a right to compare IOK with AJK.
What was that now?
GDP of Pak J&K - $3.2 billion
GDP of Indian J&K - $23 billion
Throwing random numbers is not truth and can only impress someone dumb like yourself or your compatriots. The fact is that AJK is one of the most peaceful regions of Pakistan and is also ahead to rest of Pakistan in development and education.
From your own media:
Muzaffarabad, with a population of just over 6,00,000, looks cleaner than Srinagar (Azad Kashmir has 10 districts with an estimated population over three million in 2009). Even during my previous visit in 2004, I found that the stories of “under development in Azad Kashmir,” fed to us on this side, are off the mark. This time, I noticed road connectivity and power supply to houses even on the upper reaches of a hill. In contrast, many villages in Jammu and Kashmir even today are without basic facilities. Neither does Muzaffarabad seem to be lagging behind in education and health compared to the Indian side of Jammu and Kashmir though progress is more in tune with Pakistani literacy rates. In the past few years the development in these two sectors has been rapid. The literacy rate in Azad Kashmir has touched 65 per cent which is higher than for any other area in Pakistan. In conversations, both the young and old in Muzaffarabad say that Pakistan has “never discriminated” against the region.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/The-other-Kashmir/article13834085.ece
From British media
:
The city of Mirpur, in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, is known as "Little England" due to its large British Pakistani community. So what is life like for the city's many expats?
Mirpur's connection with Britain has made it a place quite unlike anywhere else in the region. You can see it in the huge villas.
"Where could I get a place like this in the UK?" says Zahoor from Ilford, as we crane our necks to get a full view of his dazzling palatial creation, complete with terraces and towers.
But even that is nothing compared to his most recent foray into development Mirpuri-style. He has now finished building an entire "British street".
Source:
IOK Behind AJK in Education:
JK behind ‘Azad Kashmir’ in education ranking
http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/kashmir/jk-behind-azad-kashmir-in-education-ranking/186081.html
AJK ahead of rest of Pakistan in Education:
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2017/08/22/ajk-tops-district-education-ranking-2017/
Villagers of IOK desire facilities they see across the border in Azad Kashmir
Source: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/vill...see-across-the-border-in-azad-kashmir.533689/
So keep numbers to yourself since numbers can always be manipulated. All government do that. Lets go straight at the realities and facts that matter and lets laugh at you once again for comparing AJK with IOK.
We would bombard you with truth and would bury you under it. Truth never was meant for you and your country. So buzz off bharati. Shoo.