Pakistani army chief signs death sentences for 30 militants

[Solomon2]

1- ...they are not civilians tried under penal code for crimes.

How can you be certain of that?

Atleast we execute by trials properly identifyinh individuals and pointing out there crimes.

How do you know what is done "properly" in a closed military court that is not subject to civilian review?

2- Trials of terrorists in Civil courts is a risk for the lives of the Judiciary officials.

No dispute there. But why can't Judiciary officials be supplied with additional protection, perhaps even quarters and offices in military cantonments, rather than be stripped of their functions?

3-The power is vested into an institution legally under the law of the state not an individual or a group of individuals.

By comparison, in the U.S. laws passed by legislatures that attempt to nullify or transfer constitutional separation-of-powers can be ruled unconstitutional by the courts.

Nothing is secret and nothing is unaccountable.

Details, please.

If you want to argue on Death penalty then that s something different topic.

The point is that capital punishment applied by a secret court effectively erases any record of the defendant's side of the story - especially his views and objections to his trial.

But Daesh Alqaeda Footsoldiers are not criminals. They are brainwashed animals.

The brush of mental incapacity can't be applied to an entire group, though it can be determined by a psychiatric review of an individual defendant. Is that part of the closed military court process?

Only other alternative would be sending them to concentration camps for a prolonged learning process to integrate them into society. But that will be done after a few years. For now it is the best possible option

Mmm. While I'm critical of secret courts, neither do I see your "concentration camps" - really, what you describe are convict re-education programs - as a reliable solution, at least not if they are of the Sunni "Islamic" variety.

Pre-Daesh, the Saudis claimed a recidivist rate from their "Islamic" integration program of about 20%. But the ideological linchpin of their re-education was that jihad could only be declared by an Islamic government that exerted sovereign control of territory, so I imagine that all the "successful" graduates - despite being showered with cars, housing, and wives - were susceptible to the siren call of ISIS. Iraqi intelligence claims jihadists from the Saudi kingdom comprise nearly one-third (up to 30 percent) of all ISIS terrorists in Iraq: link.

 

[Zhukov]

How can you be certain of that?

How do you know what is done "properly" in a closed military court that is not subject to civilian review?

No dispute there. But why can't Judiciary officials be supplied with additional protection, perhaps even quarters and offices in military cantonments, rather than be stripped of their functions?

By comparison, in the U.S. laws passed by legislatures that attempt to nullify or transfer constitutional separation-of-powers can be ruled unconstitutional by the courts.

Details, please.

The point is that capital punishment applied by a secret court effectively erases any record of the defendant's side of the story - especially his views and objections to his trial.

The brush of mental incapacity can't be applied to an entire group, though it can be determined by a psychiatric review of an individual defendant. Is that part of the closed military court process?

Mmm. While I'm critical of secret courts, neither do I see your "concentration camps" - really, what you describe are convict re-education programs - as a reliable solution, at least not if they are of the Sunni "Islamic" variety.

Pre-Daesh, the Saudis claimed a recidivist rate from their "Islamic" integration program of about 20%. But the ideological linchpin of their re-education was that jihad could only be declared by an Islamic government that exerted sovereign control of territory, so I imagine that all the "successful" graduates - despite being showered with cars, housing, and wives - were susceptible to the siren call of ISIS. Iraqi intelligence claims jihadists from the Saudi kingdom comprise nearly one-third (up to 30 percent) of all ISIS terrorists in Iraq: link.

How can you be certain that those were innocent people? BTW i know of a few military operations in my City and in all 4 raids that i am aware of were made by Rangers(A Para Military force) with the help of CTD(Counter Terrorism Department) a purely civilian Institution and Local Police. The abducted were linked to Jihadi networks going to Afghanistan and Syria even. And funny thing is Police and Civil administration didnt acted against them because they had links with local politicians and Civil Law enforcement cannot act against will of local Politicians. And there are thousands of Extremely Dangerous Terrorist locked up in Jails fro years against whom no Legal proceedings have been carried out. Becasue civil courts refuse to act against them.

You didnt read correctly. The Civil courts are afraid to act due to life threat. Because the Criminals can take live of anyone simply by taking a few thousand dollars. And thats again fault of Police who fail to curb these guns for hire.

There is no contrast. The powers conferred to military courts is allowed after approval of civil courts. Becasue they know what is happening on ground. There is no conflict between civil and military courts at all.
Military courts dont act on there own. Specific Cases are referred to them by Civilian Courts relating to Terrorists only.

And at teh end It is actually working. People are now afraid to propagate jihadi ideology and Participating in such activities. Becasue every one know Civil courts can be pressured by Influential personalities, Bribed, Delayed. But Military courts will not spare a terrorist at any cost.
There are no more Loudspeakers preaching jihad, there are no more rallies of Martyrs, And who ever tries to be oversmart jihadi is busted with in days now.
Good or bad it is prioviding results and we are all satisfied with it.
A 22 years old Goon who have travelled all the way to Syira and Afghanistan trained by Alqaeda and Mentally prepared to die for his twisted ideology we dont have time and money to save his lost sole Simple.
If you had any idea of Paksitani Judicial system and its operations you would never have said this.

And at the end you are gain asserting what i am saying they are beyonf saving by such simple steps. What i siad was may be they can be brought back by concentration camps type of system. But not by unchecked rehabiliitaion

 

[Surya 1]

it is a futile effort to keep on killing the low ranking terrorists while the real snakes are ruling the country and sitting in the parliament.

I recomment Pakistan to try them in civil court. Since pakistan is a democratic country, Pakistan should follow democratic ways to try people. That will strenthen democracy of Pakistan in long run. That will also make sure that no wrong person is hanged.

 

[Raider 21]

I recomment Pakistan to try them in civil court. Since pakistan is a democratic country, Pakistan should follow democratic ways to try people. That will strenthen democracy of Pakistan in long run. That will also make sure that no wrong person is hanged.

Your recommendation is noted...