Pakistani and Malaysian economies compared, Why is Malaysia doing better, lol?

[Muji.Iqbal]

Malaysia has a population of 33 million but their economy is $430 billion

Pakistan has a population of 250 million people but our economy is $400 billion or ($340.6 billion
according to wikipedia, lol)

So where are we wrong, and what are they doing right, lol?

Pakistani economy:

Malaysian economy:

Map of Pakistan:

Map of Malaysia:

We also have much more land than Malaysia does.

Constructive criticism, please!
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[Azadkashmir]

cos they got mathir we got munir.

 

[hatehs]

Because Pakistan is a failed state and Malaysia isn't.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Malaysia has a population of 33 million but their economy is $430 billion

Pakistan has a population of 250 million people but our economy is $400 billion or ($340.6 billion
according to wikipedia, lol)

So where are we wrong, and what are they doing right, lol?

Pakistani economy:
View attachment 967371

Malaysian economy:

View attachment 967372
Map of Pakistan:
View attachment 967373

Map of Malaysia:
View attachment 967374

We also have much more land than Malaysia does.

Constructive criticism, please!
@waz
@Areesh
@Dalit
@xyxmt
@PakAlp
@PakFactor
@aziqbal
@Jango

@AsianLion

@kingQamaR
@Daghalodi
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)
@air marshal
@Basel

Proper consistent planning, better institutions.

Everyone is on the same page in Malaysia

 

[etylo]

I think Pakistan really needs economic or structural reform to put it on a high economic growth projectory as did in Bangladesh, India, Vietnam and also China. That was missing in the past decades. Current Pakistani economic and developmental model is probably formed and more fitting in the cold war era.

 

[epebble]

Answer is trivial:

Pakistan HDI:

Malaysia HDI:

 

[Indos]

Malaysia focuses on economy, basically Malaysia has reason to wage war against Indonesia in Natuna areas. They prefer letting go that and focus on the economy. Pakistan made the opposite decision with the disputed area with India

I think this decision that divide Pakistan and Malaysia fate. Malaysia defense budget is only at 3 billion USD in 2023. Both Malaysia and Pakistan have much bigger neighbour, Indonesia for Malaysia and India for Pakistan. Both made different path as Pakistan keep trying to get the disputed land with bigger India, while Malaysia let it go and focus on the economy with very small defense budget

The focus on military embolden Pakistan military while for Malaysia the focus on the economy embolden their civilian rule

Malaysian media

The Claim of Sovereignty over Natuna Islands

As stated earlier, Indonesia formally included Natuna Islands as part of its territory in 1956, a year before Malaysia’s independence and six years before the Indonesian Confrontation with Malaysia erupted.

Malaysia at that time was still known as the Federation of Malaya and has not attained full independence to make its claim on the Natuna Islands. Malaya obtained independence in 1957 and became Malaysia in 1963.

The smooth journey towards the formation of Malaysia was then compromised when the then President of Indonesia, Sukarno, declared confrontation against Malaysia in 1962.
The Confrontation severed the Malaysian-Indonesian ties and may have swayed the focus of the leaders of Malaysia at that time towards ending the conflict with Indonesia rather than pressing claims over the Natuna Islands.

On the other hand, Indonesia needed the Natuna Islands to justify to the world that Indonesia is in fact an archipelagic State as prescribed by the international law of the sea.
Indeed, based on historical facts enunciated earlier, Malaysia has the right to claim sovereignty over the Natuna Islands.

Nevertheless, the claim has never been made and until now, Malaysia recognises Natuna Islands as part of Indonesia. However, can Malaysia make prospective claims over the Natuna Islands?

International law dictates that a State may acquire territory by way of prescription. This method of territorial acquisition refers to ‘actual exercise’ of sovereignty by one country on a particular territory without any clear objections from other countries.

Based on this fact, Malaysia’s claim, if any, over the Natuna Islands may be rebutted on the fact that it has remained silent over Indonesia’s administration on those islands that has taken place for almost 60 years.

https://www.astroawani.com/berita-dunia/natuna-islands-malaysian-geography-indonesian-sovereignty-94430

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Malaysia focuses on economy, basically Malaysia has reason to wage war against Indonesia in Natuna areas. They prefer letting go that and focus on the economy. Pakistan made the opposite decision with the disputed area with India

I think this decision that divide Pakistan and Malaysia fate. Malaysia defense budget is only at 3 billion USD in 2023. Both Malaysia and Pakistan have much bigger neighbour, Indonesia for Malaysia and India for Pakistan. Both made different path as Pakistan keep trying to get the disputed land with bigger India, while Malaysia let it go and focus on the economy with very small defense budget

The focus on military embolden Pakistan military while for Malaysia the focus on the economy embolden their civilian rule

View attachment 967375


The Claim of Sovereignty over Natuna Islands
As stated earlier, Indonesia formally included Natuna Islands as part of its territory in 1956, a year before Malaysia’s independence and six years before the Indonesian Confrontation with Malaysia erupted.

Malaysia at that time was still known as the Federation of Malaya and has not attained full independence to make its claim on the Natuna Islands. Malaya obtained independence in 1957 and became Malaysia in 1963.

The smooth journey towards the formation of Malaysia was then compromised when the then President of Indonesia, Sukarno, declared confrontation against Malaysia in 1962.
The Confrontation severed the Malaysian-Indonesian ties and may have swayed the focus of the leaders of Malaysia at that time towards ending the conflict with Indonesia rather than pressing claims over the Natuna Islands.

On the other hand, Indonesia needed the Natuna Islands to justify to the world that Indonesia is in fact an archipelagic State as prescribed by the international law of the sea.
Indeed, based on historical facts enunciated earlier, Malaysia has the right to claim sovereignty over the Natuna Islands.

Nevertheless, the claim has never been made and until now, Malaysia recognises Natuna Islands as part of Indonesia. However, can Malaysia make prospective claims over the Natuna Islands?
International law dictates that a State may acquire territory by way of prescription. This method of territorial acquisition refers to ‘actual exercise’ of sovereignty by one country on a particular territory without any clear objections from other countries.

Based on this fact, Malaysia’s claim, if any, over the Natuna Islands may be rebutted on the fact that it has remained silent over Indonesia’s administration on those islands that has taken place for almost 60 years.

https://www.astroawani.com/berita-dunia/natuna-islands-malaysian-geography-indonesian-sovereignty-94430

I agree with you that the Kashmir dispute is a burden on the Pakistani economy.

 

[lightning F57]

Pakistan has an undocumented economy which is estimated to be 40 to 50% of the reported amount. That is still poor for 200m plus people due to reasons already mentioned, corruption and lack of rule of law being the primary issues.

 

[Sliver]

they did not have kashmir or afghanistan which has created a continuous drain on economy and created a new class of leeches on the nation.

 

[Indos]

I agree with you that the Kashmir dispute is a burden on the Pakistani economy.

Yup, Malaysia is indeed trying to minimize their defense spending by getting the help from Commonwealth nations, it makes them not worried too much. Their strategy is to be defensive as well.

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FPDA—not fade away

21 Oct 2014|Euan Graham


Dubbed the ‘quiet achiever’ by Carl Thayer, the FPDA’s low profile belies a brisk tempo of multinational air, naval, land and command-post exercises held regularly under its auspices among Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and the UK.

Indonesia’s still the most important external factor bearing upon the FPDA. Although not officially acknowledged, the FPDA was created in the shadow of Confrontation as the successor to the Anglo-Malayan Defence Agreement, to provide a non-binding level of deterrence to Malaysia and Singapore against the return of Indonesian demagoguery (the arrangement obliges parties simply to consult in case of external attack on the Peninsula).

As Canberra has embraced Indonesia’s post-Soeharto democratisation, and pursued a bilateral compact with Jakarta as its strategic priority in Southeast Asia, so the FPDA has lost some of its lustre for Australia. Singapore and Malaysia view their larger neighbour with continuing caution and are less sanguine about the prospects for defence engagement. That explains the continuing strong support for the FPDA in Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, even as their own improving relationship has rendered the arrangements less important as a conduit for managing cross-Causeway tensions.

FPDA—not fade away | The Strategist

Three years ago the Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) celebrated its 40th birthday, an anniversary that sparked a flutter of international curiosity about this most eclectic of regional security frameworks. By way of animal analogy, ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

 

[Azadkashmir]

wat pak needs is a round table made up of industrialist architects, where they build factories to produce manufactured goods.

 

[epebble]

they did not have kashmir or afghanistan which has created a continuous drain on economy and created a new class of leeches on the nation.

There seems to be an asymmetry on either side of India. On the west you have the trio of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. On the East there are Bangladesh, Malaysia and Indonesia. All are Muslim majority countries. The countries on the west, being closer to the Middle East focus more on religion and warfare and less on development. Those on the east, being far from Middle East, focus less on religion and warfare and more on development. The thumb rule seems to be, the farther one goes from the Middle East, lesser violence and more development.

 

[etylo]

Malaysia focuses on economy, basically Malaysia has reason to wage war against Indonesia in Natuna areas. They prefer letting go that and focus on the economy. Pakistan made the opposite decision with the disputed area with India

I think this decision that divide Pakistan and Malaysia fate. Malaysia defense budget is only at 3 billion USD in 2023. Both Malaysia and Pakistan have much bigger neighbour, Indonesia for Malaysia and India for Pakistan. Both made different path as Pakistan keep trying to get the disputed land with bigger India, while Malaysia let it go and focus on the economy with very small defense budget

The focus on military embolden Pakistan military while for Malaysia the focus on the economy embolden their civilian rule

View attachment 967375

Malaysian media

The Claim of Sovereignty over Natuna Islands

As stated earlier, Indonesia formally included Natuna Islands as part of its territory in 1956, a year before Malaysia’s independence and six years before the Indonesian Confrontation with Malaysia erupted.

Malaysia at that time was still known as the Federation of Malaya and has not attained full independence to make its claim on the Natuna Islands. Malaya obtained independence in 1957 and became Malaysia in 1963.

The smooth journey towards the formation of Malaysia was then compromised when the then President of Indonesia, Sukarno, declared confrontation against Malaysia in 1962.
The Confrontation severed the Malaysian-Indonesian ties and may have swayed the focus of the leaders of Malaysia at that time towards ending the conflict with Indonesia rather than pressing claims over the Natuna Islands.

On the other hand, Indonesia needed the Natuna Islands to justify to the world that Indonesia is in fact an archipelagic State as prescribed by the international law of the sea.
Indeed, based on historical facts enunciated earlier, Malaysia has the right to claim sovereignty over the Natuna Islands.

Nevertheless, the claim has never been made and until now, Malaysia recognises Natuna Islands as part of Indonesia. However, can Malaysia make prospective claims over the Natuna Islands?

International law dictates that a State may acquire territory by way of prescription. This method of territorial acquisition refers to ‘actual exercise’ of sovereignty by one country on a particular territory without any clear objections from other countries.

Based on this fact, Malaysia’s claim, if any, over the Natuna Islands may be rebutted on the fact that it has remained silent over Indonesia’s administration on those islands that has taken place for almost 60 years.

https://www.astroawani.com/berita-dunia/natuna-islands-malaysian-geography-indonesian-sovereignty-94430

It takes two to tango. Is India also willing to compromise or at least keep it cool down regarding the Kashmir dispute ? The experiences of India and China border disputes tell others that India is totally unreasonable with its demands, Indians are too greedy to do any compromise, they want to take 100% of the disputed land from China despite they are being the weaker ones. That's why you also see constant heightened tensions and even confrontations at times on the Sino-India borders.

 

[nahtanbob]

Malaysia has a population of 33 million but their economy is $430 billion

Pakistan has a population of 250 million people but our economy is $400 billion or ($340.6 billion
according to wikipedia, lol)

So where are we wrong, and what are they doing right, lol?

Pakistani economy:
View attachment 967371

Malaysian economy:

View attachment 967372
Map of Pakistan:
View attachment 967373

Map of Malaysia:
View attachment 967374

We also have much more land than Malaysia does.

Constructive criticism, please!
@waz
@Areesh
@Dalit
@xyxmt
@PakAlp
@PakFactor
@aziqbal
@Jango

@AsianLion

@kingQamaR
@Daghalodi
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)
@air marshal
@Basel
@Windjammer
@El Sidd
@hussain0216
@Abid123
@Asimzranger
@Tamerlane
@SaadH
@alphapak
@Enigma SIG
@HAIDER
@khansaheeb
@khail007
@air marshal

1. Malaysia has more natural resources than Pakistan on a per captia basis
2. 30% of Malaysia are hardworking Chinese. The 8% Indian minority used to be hard working. Malays have decent work ethic by South Asian standards
3. Malaysia does not overspend on military
4. Malaysian leaders are better than Pakistani leaders. I know it is not a high bar here