Chapters of 'history' cooked in Indian kitchens and made a staple for the Indian populace? No thanks, I still retain a brain cell or two.
However,
https://defence.pk/threads/foxbat-over-pakistan-the-facts-fiction.441349/
Hardly expect you to digest any of it.
Between the two, Pakistan is clearly the one who is a security state that suffers under military dictatorships every now & then. If feeding propaganda to the population is the topic at hand, Pakistan beats India hands down.
Huh......? Is it persistent or does it lapse sometimes?
Pak govt/army's ability to cook up & feed stories to it's people sometimes does lapse. However, the Pakistani population's gullibility to eat up any such baseless story however, is persistent. They have to find solace in something, don't they?
Isn't it an Indian claim that the flight made super sonic passes over Islamabad scaring the whole city? Hardly a clandestine endeavour or an Indian trait.
The fact that you wouldn't know about it unless we told you is clandestine enough. IAF had acquired the MiG-25 for the exclusive purpose of reconnaissance missions - if you choose to believe we used them only once in their decades of service, that's your choice. As I said, your gullibility is persistent and you have to find solace in lies.
So you needed just one. For all those years, you needed just one.
Refer above.
Disregarding the fact that the flight preceded "the cutting in half" by about 6 years
I was referring to what such a flight would hope to signal in the modern day.
..............and apart from the clear message that the PAF would eliminate about 4 times as many Indian aircraft (by the most conservative estimates), I believe it was the message the IAF heard vert clear and then adhered to as seen during the unopposed PAF flights over Pathankot and Kalaikunda. Dare I say, it could also have been prophetic.
Damn, man. You
choose to live in lies.
These theories have been debunked countless times and still you keep repeating the same old stories again & again.
> Attacker's advantage. PAF was the aggressor. They had the luxury of choosing where & when to attack, giving them an edge early on, India was merely defending.
However PAF did not have the capability to follow-up on such a move. Once PAF struck the initial blows (which were more like a football penalty, compensation for the fact that PAF would have wiped clean if IAF was the aggressor), you were continuously on the receiving end of the pounding - which ultimately resulted in PAF losing complete air superiority, and IAF securing the skies over EP.
The invasion of East Pakistan was a follow-up of a defensive move.
> The invasion itself. Here, you had defender's advantage. Prior knowledge that enemy's counter-attack is underway, and having the luxury of fighting us on your own turf. The sheer number of sorties we flew in CAS against your ground troops cannot be matched by the number of sorties PAF flew in similar missions in the 71 war and the 65 war
combined. Flying into AA fire to support the land invasion, aircraft will be shot down. But we achieved tremendous results - we not only removed a half of your country from your control, we also tore the two-nation theory - the basis of the creation of Pakistan - to shreds.
> External support. Everyone knows Pakistan received numerous aircraft from other Muslim countries, ME, etc. with the blessings of US & UK. The combat records of these planes are unaccounted for - and there is little evidence of many of them ever being returned to their owners. What happened to them? Who shot them down?
IAF flew over
16,000 sorties. PAF flew
less than 3,000 - most of which were initial strikes at the opening stages of war, after which PAF simply refused to fight and was silently taking it in. They even fled to Iranian air bases to seek refuge. There is documented evidence of this. Yes, that's a great way of avoiding losses.
At the other hand, the bulk of IAF's sorties were interdiction & CAS - the effort we put in to liberate Bangladesh. These missions also constituted the bulk of our losses.
Can you imagine how PAF would have fared if they tried to support PA to take half of India?? That's right, PAF would have been wiped from existence long before they were anywhere near such a goal.
No wonder then PAF is too sissy to support the Army - cuz such an operation will result in blows that PAF is too weak to withstand.
All you need to do is search for the truth instead of believing in lies. But will you? Or will you just reinforce my statement that Pakistani populace has a persistent gullibility for propaganda?
This is like Polish POWs locked up in concentration camps, trying to brag about how many Germans they killed - while they're whole country was run over by them!
When you lose the actual war, you HAVE to find solace in the little victories - exactly what you're doing now! However the tactical nature of these victories, and how they came to be, can be easily explained away and would only add to your collective shame should you decide to press the matter further.
I wouldn't blame you for trying to find solace in the downing of an unarmed aircraft in the middle of nowhere. I mean I can at least try to imagine the pitiful desperation you must've been after losing 2 combat aircraft and a helicopter only a few days before, we are neighbours after all. Which reminds me; Seriously dude...the last time you attempted something foolish like that, you had to needlessly lose 3 aircraft. You should pray it does not happen again.
It'd actually be a damn shame if you hadn't shot atleast a few aircraft - we were killing 100s of Pakistanis up in Kargil (again, a fight where you had the attacker's advantage).
ps: We sort of don't find any solace in shooting at unarmed aircraft,
You do seem to find solace in hijacking civilian aircraft though. Is it a Pakistani trait?
The Atlantique was a military aircraft on a military mission.
We gave it warnings, it didn't respond. We shot it as per procedure & protocol. What would you do if one of our P-8Is or Global-5000 ISTAR aircraft flew into Pakistani airspace,
not heeding any warnings or demands to land, happily collecting intel with it's sensors & radars, and then try to fly back to India?
You will throw flowers at it? You wouldn't have tried to intercept or shoot those MIG-25s if it didn't heed any warnings?
(Although in the Foxbat's case, it was more of a question of COULD you rather than WOULD you - that plane flew too high & too fast for any interceptor aircraft to catch up).
Pakistan's stance on the whole Atlantique incident is utter balderdash. That plane deserved
exactly what came to it.
we don't need to salvage any pride.
Ofcourse you don't need to salvage pride - you have renounced it.
I mean, here is a glorious Pakistani baccha giving lectures about shooting unarmed aircraft...
yet what did you do against armed US drones indiscriminately killing Pakistani CIVILIANS?? Nothing! Or do GBUs and Hellfire missiles not count as armament in Pakistan? In short, you're telling the world that as long as anyone helps you against India (cuz damn straight you need help), they can bend you over as they wish.
Damn right you don't need to salvage pride which doesn't exist.
*Generic reference to penis size comparison*
Hmm...circumcision much?
See? You can be nice. No need to build castles in the air, on false pride and try to make "in your face" flights, only to have your teeth kicked in.
