Pakistan will remain major player in Afghanistan: US report

[Gautam]

What a bunch of baloney. You sound like a person from Switzerland. So peaceful and without problems. You guys have run the Nepali politics pretty darn dirty for decades. That's WHY, the people hate you even thought majority of them are hindus.

You guys have done the same thing to Sri Lanka and people hate you there too, even the Hindus and Christian majorities and minorities. RAW has trained a LOT of people in these two countries above. Now Pakistan, you guys have created a separatist militia layer in Baluchistan. ALL sponsored by the mighty RAW, finance, training and weapons. And you are saying that you guys are 'not bothering or interfering in other countries'? What's more interference....issuing a press release on other's issues or create separatist militias to cut these 'other' countries into pieces? And not to mention, the primary purpose of these militias is to do terrorism and disrupt common poor people's lives by different terrorism related techniques!!

But your government is still looking for a right time to show proofs to the world about the bold part. You should not talk and blame all this before your government finally finds the right time to prove it.

 

[illusion8]

We didn't have the leverage or the resources for that..... The US just bailed leaving us to deal with the situation and the GCC followed suit.
Pakistan's connections and part in this affair is grossly overestimated, IMO. None of this would have been possible without US brainpower and massive funding from the US and the "brotherly nations".

So while Pakistan will remain important for Afghanistan, it is mostly because of proximity to the country and the millions of them overstaying their welcome in Pakistan.

All the more reason why Pakistan should have chopped off all relations with the Mujahadeen and dismantled it, and should have sent back the refugees - that was the time when Al Qaeda also was formed in Pakistan - now look at where it has all lead to.

 

[Pakistanisage]

I think this time around, our Foreign Policy for Afghanistan should be more balanced between Pashtoun Taliban and the Northern Alliances. We should refrain from interfering and open lines of communication with the Tajiks and Uzbeks. A stable Afghanistan is in Pakistan's interest.

Afghanistan would have to be rebuilt and Pakistan should be able to help.

 

[illusion8]

comparing apples to cows my friend.

You my dear are not even in the same category.

Bigger nightmare than Afghanistan for us my friend.

Your quest with Afghanistan is for strategic control of Afghanistan - while we need to contend with a security nightmare of encirclement from the North and the South by China - still India has not made an effort to change the regime.

 

[illusion8]

What a bunch of baloney. You sound like a person from Switzerland. So peaceful and without problems. You guys have run the Nepali politics pretty darn dirty for decades. That's WHY, the people hate you even thought majority of them are hindus.

You guys have done the same thing to Sri Lanka and people hate you there too, even the Hindus and Christian majorities and minorities. RAW has trained a LOT of people in these two countries above. Now Pakistan, you guys have created a separatist militia layer in Baluchistan. ALL sponsored by the mighty RAW, finance, training and weapons. And you are saying that you guys are 'not bothering or interfering in other countries'? What's more interference....issuing a press release on other's issues or create separatist militias to cut these 'other' countries into pieces? And not to mention, the primary purpose of these militias is to do terrorism and disrupt common poor people's lives by different terrorism related techniques!!

You got it in reverse.

The Maoist and the Chinese run influence with the SL dictator regime and the commie regime in Nepal - the people of both countries have great relations with India.

As for the rest of your post, that's typical Pakistani propaganda - RAW, MOSSAD, CIA - I don't reply to rants.

 

[OrionHunter]

That to some extent is true but at the same time Pakistan cannot remain oblivious if there's a hostile regime imposed in Kabul.
Due to the fact that Afghanistan is land locked and shares a porous border with us, Pakistan will always call the shots.

I don't think Pakistan would be able to call the shots as you mentioned, after the withdrawal of American forces.

For starters, the US will NOT leave a vacuum in Afghanistan. Obama has signed a long-term strategic partnership agreement with Karzai last year that committed to a U.S. presence in Afghanistan through 2024. The details of the agreement are still being ironed out, including the size of the U.S. force and the number of bases they will have. It would most likely be leaving behind at least one division worth of troops as well as units of special forces and training teams. That means about 20,000 plus troops. This American presence would be backed up by a 6,000 to 7,000 NATO force, according to the Mattis Plan.

Then there will be the mad scramble for Afghanistan's natural wealth. American geologists have discovered deposits of iron, copper, lithium, cobalt, and gold worth $1 trillion. So the Yanks ain't going to leave Afghanistan in a hurry.

Competing for the spoils would be Afghan warlords, the Taliban, the 'Northern Alliance', China, Iran, Pakistan, Central Asian Republics, India and Russia. This is a veritable mix that could result in an explosive civil war between local warlords (backed by these nations) fighting each other for a piece of the cake.

In a nutshell, all is not going to be hunky dory after 2014. There would be so much chaos and uncertainty that Pakistan will find the going pretty tough and instead of becoming a 'major player in Afghanistan', would be reduced to a bit player instead, in the great power game that will be played out in Afghanistan.

Those who think I've lost my marbles, just wait until early 2015 and see for yourselves the unfolding drama!

 

[RazorMC]

I don't think Pakistan would be able to call the shots as you mentioned, after the withdrawal of American forces.
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Then there will be the mad scramble for Afghanistan's natural wealth. American geologists have discovered deposits of iron, copper, lithium, cobalt, and gold worth $1 trillion. So the Yanks ain't going to leave Afghanistan in a hurry.

Competing for the spoils would be Afghan warlords, the Taliban, the 'Northern Alliance', China, Iran, Pakistan, Central Asian Republics, India and Russia. This is a veritable mix that could result in an explosive civil war between local warlords (backed by these nations) fighting each other for a piece of the cake.
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First part is true even today. We don't hold any significant power in Afghainstan. With ex-refugee Karzai in govt. and more NA lining up for ANA, Pakistan's limited influence is going to be further reduced.

Second part is OK if Pakistan is omitted from the list. We have rarely shown such long-term vision in Pakistan, let alone Afghanistan. The best we cooked up was a strategic backyard. We had enough time to work on the minerals aspect to benefit Afghans and Pakistan, but it was all wasted.

And now any prospect of Afghanistan agreeing to let us have a share of anything is just out of the question. They will do anything possible to keep us out of the game. The only beneficiary I see is everyone else.

 

[FaujHistorian]

[Nepal and sri Lanka are] Bigger nightmare than Afghanistan for us [Indian expats] my friend.
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I can just say

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Your quest with Afghanistan is for strategic control of Afghanistan - while we need to contend with a security nightmare of encirclement from the North and the South by China - still India has not made an effort to change the regime.

Just FYI.

afgahnistan is under the boots of 27 NATO countries.

And you my dear dear f@rt on Pakistan?

hahahahah.



Serious suggestion.

Please study your topic first. I expect much better from smart and intelligent Indian posters. you are an ambassador of your country at least on PDF. Aren't you?

 

[deepak.chauhan2312]

WASHINGTON: Pakistan is and will remain a major player in the final outcome in Afghanistan, an American think-tank has said, asserting that economic incentives can be given to Islamabad if it takes steps to restrain the Taliban operating from sanctuaries on its soil.

"The truth is still this: Pakistan is, and will remain, a major player in the final outcome in Afghanistan, and Washington's approach in this situation should be to continue to work on interpersonal relationships among key leaders, as well as coordination and cooperation along borders where enemies of one country or the other often cross," a Center for a New American Security (CNAS) report has said.

In the report, authored by two former top defense officials of the Obama administration, the CNAS calls for providing incentives to Pakistan, like free trade accord or aid for a regional energy sector, provided Islamabad restrains the activities of the Taliban within its territory.

The report is co-authored by former US Afghanistan commander retired General John Allen, the former Pentagon undersecretary for policy Michele Flournoy and Brookings senior fellow Michael O'Hanlon.

"These things should be done in tandem with Afghan leaders at every step. Beyond that, measures towards deeper economic integration may be possible with Pakistan (such as a free trade accord or aid for a regional energy sector) - provided that Islamabad takes significant and effective steps to restrain the Afghan Taliban operating from sanctuaries on its soil," the report said.

"Realistically, this agenda may not yield great fruit by the end of 2014, but it is still the right way to play for the long run," said the 16-page report released on Friday.

As for Pakistan's motives and goals, Islamabad and Washington have had such a troubled history that there is deep distrust and even a degree of pathology in the relationship, it said.

"That helps explain why some in Pakistan, fearful of future Indian dominance of the wrong type of Afghan government and dubious that the US and its partners will really remain committed to Afghanistan's future stability, continue to hedge by supporting the Taliban as an insurance policy even now," it said.

"There may be other Pakistani motives at work in the nation's Afghanistan policy, too, including the hegemonic desire to dominate a smaller neighbour. In fairness, it is unclear how much influence and/or control Pakistan can really exert over Taliban elements in Pakistan," the report said.

Pakistan is and will remain major player in Afghanistan: US report - The Times of India

12th player

 

[illusion8]

I can just say



Just FYI.

afgahnistan is under the boots of 27 NATO countries.

And you my dear dear f@rt on Pakistan?

hahahahah.



Serious suggestion.

Please study your topic first. I expect much better from smart and intelligent Indian posters. you are an ambassador of your country at least on PDF. Aren't you?

How many of those 27 NATO countries is your enemy and wants to do a string of pearls or such on you? Nil - We have a bigger issue with china trying to encircle us.

I suggest you read up the trend of the conversation, which is me suggesting that Pakistan should not try to influence a regime change and bring in the taliban as it did in the 90's and let the Afghan's go their own way. What Afghanistan will realize is that having good relations with Pakistan will be fruitful in the long run.

 

[FaujHistorian]

.... Pakistan should not try to influence a regime change [in Afghanistan]....

Power to put or change regimes in Afghanistan only rests with USA+NATO.

Anyone else claiming about it is simply f@rting and stinking up.


I wonder why so many Indian posters who are smart and intellectuals, loose all their noogins and start regurgitating Islamist propaganda.

Did you all forget everything?


peace

 

[illusion8]

Power to put or change regimes in Afghanistan only rests with USA+NATO.

Anyone else claiming about it is simply f@rting and stinking up.


I wonder why so many Indian posters who are smart and intellectuals, loose all their noogins and start regurgitating Islamist propaganda.

Did you all forget everything?


peace

What's with the advising and the reprimanding old man? some Indian poster got your goat today?